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What CNN found hidden in Obamacare

Posted: Jan 9, 2013

by AWR Hawkins 9 Jan 2013, 12:24 PM PDT Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms. It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition." CNN is calling it "a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby." And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration;

Doesn't that mean that care providers can't ask - if guns are in home?

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The facility I transcribe for, usually in pediatric reports, state certain safety issues, i.e., seatbelts, working fire alarms, guns in home. I think this amendment prohibits asking that question. I don't think it's much more than that.

Maybe, but also, according to the article, - sm

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...that amendment says the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."

And also, Harry Reid said that he added that provision to keep the NRA out of the loop when crafting obamacare.

See original post.

Cannot USE DOCTORS to collect info... guess what? - I have GOOGLE too!

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Why misrepresent? Why not just go on the merit of the facts without manipulating and omitting information that was in the original article?

Good try...

I saw original post and I also went to the link.

Why did you omit "use doctors"? That's the crux of the story.

cory, sm - the above poster

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I apologize for being so harsh in the above post. I believe you did not purposely omit the text, especially since you also posted the link.

Nope. Ridiculous to suggest a psychiatrist cannot ask suicidal pts - if they have access to guns.

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True to form and typical of his predictable overreach, FL Gov Rick Scott signed a bill trying to prohibit such questions back in the summer of 2011, which elicited an immediate response from the medical community. The law suit they filed was decided in their favor when a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against the state to prevent their enforcement of that "gag law."

Don't know if this is another ALEC trend wending its way through southern red states or not, but the FL precedent clearly indicates that effort would be an uphill battle at best.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0328.htm

They're scrambling, you can be sure, - trying to find a way

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to circumvent this amendment and its unforeseen consequences.

Why did you omit text from your copy and paste? - interesting

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CANNOT USE DOCTORS to collect info.

Here's the copy and paste from the infamous Breitbart and no DELETIONS.

why did you omit information? Isn't the Breitbart spin good enough? Why not just use a little of your own editing... unbelievable.

"Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.

According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."

CNN is calling it "a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby."

And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010."

Okay. You got my curiosity up. - sm

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So, I checked out poster's link at Breitbart.com that she gave, and I can't see anything edited out. It's word for word. Not sure what you're acusing her of. In fact, your copy-and-paste is identical. ??? Am I missing something?

see message for comparison - sm

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OP's text:

According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."

Text from Breitbart:

According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."

Note ***cannot use doctors*** which for some reason OP omitted.

Just means doctors, not the government, cannot collect info regarding guns. Like in the social history relating to usually pediatrics and safety.

Guess OP thought no one would notice.

I'm the OP. Wow - you're right - -

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"cannot use doctors" is in the Breitbart article. Since I copied and pasted word for word and did not selectively edit (scout's honor), either the Breitbart article had an update or I messed up. Sorry.

Here's a CNN report on the subject - No worries :-)

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I knew I had heard a discussion with Dr. Gupta and Anderson and I knew the health care provider was associated in some way, so I was thinking something was missing somewhere.

Thanks for the explanation :-)

well done - sm

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It's always illuminating when someone tracks down the actual context. Thanks for posting this clarification.

As a side note: My personal experience has shown me that it is not necessarily the original poster who has edited a remark, but rather the source from which they are quoting. I hope your post will serve as a reminder to everyone to check their sources. I appreciate your research. Thanks.

Pure idiocy. There is nothing "hidden" in the ACA, - and certainly nothing "overlooked." Low

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performers simply don't understand the routine capability and standards of others who operate at a much higher level. In this case, many, many thousands of public, business, and private individuals have become expert on this document.

I can understand someone who doesn't read well and has trouble understanding anything more complex than a People Magazine interview imagining 2800 pages of technical writing as some kind of impenetrable jungle, but MTs at least shouldn't.

wow....how condescending can you be! - never made any mistakes?

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u see perfection in the mirror....some of us only see your reflection.

None of this particular type, no. It's a personality thing, - and fund of knowledge. I don't think

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intelligence enters into this so much. No one capable of reading and writing could be that challenged. Common sense or lack of it? Yes, very much a factor.

In any case, I used to read and analyze dense, technical commercial insurance policies for a living. The notion that an extremely active contract could hide secret provisions that none of thousands of analysts managed to discover (for years now) is ludicrous.

This is the kind of thing that cues sensible people immediately to be suspicious of what they're being invited to swallow. And we all should try to be sensible people.

Not for nothing, but it wasn't the point you were trying to make - Al Fabbet

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rather your word choice. Heck, I'm good at being rude since we're famous for it around these parts, and I even felt you were pushing it.

Keep in mind that use of words like "idiocy" or "low performer" - even though in the end you assumed they have a better ability to understand being an MT - will feed into the victim mentality some on this board tend to have, and the ultimate result will probably be a copy and paste of your words in a future "oh how they bully us" post as an example of supposed abuse (clutch pearls, bring back of hand to forehead, and sigh).

BTW, nothing works me up more than seeing clever omissions of pertinent info, clipped quotes, taking things out of context, etc., but the poster was called out on it (and apologized). So there's a glimmer of hope that folks are verifying info, and hopefully this entire thread will result in a lesson of checking sources and laying off some of the Brietbat-type garbage.

Anyway, excuse any typos...on a tablet that I suck at typing on. Have a good one.

Your viewpoint is a good mirror. But no amount of gently fed information - or friendliness has moved some posters

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in the slightest. My hope was that very unvarnished language might rattle the preconceptions of maybe even one, for just a moment even would be more than nothing.

It's not a strong hope, I admit, but the fact is that most of these people so estranged from reality are not even slightly mentally ill. MTs are also not, in other respects, low performers to the extent they simply can't understand complex tasks. So why are they acting like this in politics? Why do they join those who never will understand to follow the it's-simple-folks shysters who feed them these lies?

They are self indulgent, having fallen into a habit of just adopting whatever ideas please them rather than investing effort in finding out the truth. That's work, the results frequently unpleasing and inevitably just raising more and more questions. No simple answers. That's just way too unsatisfying altogether when they can just assign some group to be the source of all problems and enjoy hating it.

And that last? Why do they roam the web copying anything that will justify their behavior in their minds? Personally, I got tired of being cast as the cause of everything that's wrong with this country, and the world, a very long time ago.

BTW, I gave your post a "like." :)

I agree, but characterists you describe - the whistle-blower

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in your third paragraph are not exclusive to MTs. My SIL (intelligent, retired accountant) advised my son not to go to medical school because Obama was going to make it so all new MD graduates would have to serve in the military and then practice where they were told to (which actually is a gov program to pay back loans, but not a mandate as she had "heard on the radio").

And I'm not sure this mentality doesn't carry over into MT work. I've frequently seen the same incorrect term "copy and pasted" from one report to another to another because MT assumed it was correct on another MT's report, never bothering to verify it her/himself.

I'm not disagreeing with you, maybe just expounding a bit.

Also, I'm not convinced that the OP purposely omitted the text. It could be she copy and pasted from another discussion board, maybe one that some of our more conservative "bullied" participants have chosen as an alternative to discuss right-wing untruths, unchallenged.

She did seem genuine in her explanation and apology anyhow.

I agree with the unvarnished language approach (as evidenced by my initial approach to realizing the omission), but I wish I would have been a little less accusatory and harsh, maybe affording a little benefit of the doubt. But then again, purposeful misrepresentations are more the norm around here...

Well, I'm in a better mood today and imagine you may be too. :) - I actually wasn't part of the omitted

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text discussion, but OP came through it in good style, and yes copying text can be tricky. I've goofed badly myself (gotta watch just where those links in an article take you).

My complaint is about the routine practice of sifting through articles on a subject, discarding as necessary one worthwhile one after another, until something derogatory enough to "the other side" is found. Truth be damned.

Of course, many now have a list of sites to go directly to that can be depended on to supply satisfactorily insulting and twisted interpretations of current events. Truth be damned and the cumulative effect of all this on oneself never considered.

What it really says in Obamacare - backwards typist

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``(c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
``(3) Limitation on databases or data banks.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain
records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition.
``(4) Limitation on determination of premium rates or
eligibility for health insurance.--A premium rate may not be
increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a
discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a
wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health
benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition; or
``(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or
ammunition.
``(5) Limitation on data collection requirements for
individuals.--No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition; or
``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition.''.

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