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Posted: May 30, 2014

the C-I-C sat down with Kelly Ripa and Michael Strahan at the WH YESTERDAY and did a live interview about the "concussion summit." OMG - with all that was going on yesterday, I'm so glad he had time for all that. He has proven again that he is a great multi-tasker. I wonder if any veterans died during the interview.

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I wonder - ?

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What part of politicising veterans' issues and making light of people's misfortunes equals reprehensible do the Republicons not seem to understand?

Don't know who made you boss, but... - sm

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...making this subject apolitical is unavoidable. The president does not have and never had the proper experience to be president. Period. That said, as it turns out, it certainly appears he has had a lot of inept cabinet members. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but he's had an awful lot of appointment problems and scandal problems. As much as the Democrats wish away the scandals, the sad truth of the matter is that they cannot be wished away or swept under the rug like you all wish. It ain't gonna happen.

Because we've all been soured on inept cabinet appointments and apparent inexperience on the part of the president, it is easy to politicize the VA situation. However, I agree that we need to fix the problem ASAP by letting the vets seek private medical care and having the government pick up the bill. I would much rather see my tax dollars go toward veteran health care than illegal alien health care and Gitmo terrorist health care.

You're right. He'll wait till next Friday to give them vouchers. - That's not political. It's just incompe

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Actually - sm

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Veterans will take private health care for the short haul, but the VA, like branches of military, should remain under the arm of our government and should not be outsourced to big business.

"...making this subject apolitical is unavoidable."

Making veterans' issues apolitical would equal civility. The straw man argument of all that other fluff is of little concern to veterans' issues. Arguing the curriculum vitae of the POTUS is what it is. Issa and the scandal machine are what they are. It's smoke and mirrors and garbage so sweep it where you wish.

Who cares about the finger pointing and the dog and pony show? Politicians do. Veterans don't.

Has nothing to do with either side of the aisle - - just the middle - the big nothingness.

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The Republicans do not get that - you broke it, you bought it

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They are the ones blocking funding for the VA, voting against every single bill to fund the huge influx of damaged veterans the Bush wars produced (Iraq and Afghanistan).

Now they have the nerve to be high and mighty and holier than thou? I don't think so.

They are disgraceful obstructionists.

Get your facts straight. - SM

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The veterans administration is one of the government entities that has a surplus of money. It's not a matter of funding. It's a matter of getting proper care for the veterans. The president and his cabinet pick dropped the ball on this one.

Not even a nice try - sm

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Your post shows you don't care about the veterans and the tragedy that has happened. Just more interested in blaming whatever party you don't belong to.

This is not about funding. There was nothing broke. Nobody bought anything. This wasn't about politicians voting for or against anything.

However, the corruption happened under your Dear Leader. But no, dear, you do not get to blame republicans for this one.

All politicians act holier than thou, but no, democrats didn't care what was going on, just made sure things looked good for them.

They are the disgraceful.

The people who were concerned about - looking good

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Were the hospital administrators who devised these schemes and their representatives who looked the other way. We don't know who they are yet, but something tells me whoever they are will protest they knew nothing about it.

As far as blaming, what party wants to make this into another Benghazi and is all about blaming rather than allocating the funds in the right place? Not the Democrats.

It is indeed about funding, what is fully funded is the military machine, not the VA. The Republicans are the ones who consistently vote AGAINST funding veterans and FOR funding wars, that's a fact.

No matter what, let's see who gets a move on now and tries to sort it out. They got their scapegoat, so now get moving. Want to make a bet it drags on for ages and nothing gets done?

This has been going on since way before President Obama was in office. Let's expose who is really leaving the veterans out in the cold and, better yet, fix it.

Should be easy, right, since apparently they have so much fuding?

Uh, I hate to disagree but the funding for the VA was above what was necessary - Truthhurts

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to run the hospitals. What wasn't kosher was the millions they skimmed off for non-health care items.

Via a report from a government-run spending website:
1. $489,000,000 to improve meeting rooms, buy draperies, and purchase furniture during the past four-and-a-half years.
2. 15,010 contracts for office furniture by the VA for Fiscal Years 2010 through 2014.
3. $10,700,00 on curtains and draperies alone.
4. $6,800,000 for a remodeling project in Illinois.
5. $1,700,000 for a new filing system in California.

This does not include $138,700,000 that the President proposed to convert paper documents into e-documents.

The President’s 2015 Budget includes $163.9 billion for VA in 2015. This includes $68.3 billion in discretionary resources and $95.6 billion in mandatory funding. Our discretionary budget request represents an increase of $2.0 billion, or 3.0 percent, over the 2014 enacted level.

Republicans always want stuff paid for - except tax breaks for the wealthy

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I imagine all the above was from some right wing rag, so I have no idea what the significance.

I also know that thanks to two long wars the population of veterans has increased significantly. The weapons are brutal, yet the critical medical treatment has improved so they are coming back with horrible brain injuries, horrible PTSD, in their droves, so maybe more offices and facilities are not unexpected with an increase like that.

Your list above still says nothing about the vets who are not getting treatment, so why don't the Republicans get out there with this shocking information and say let's do without the curtains and put it straight to the vets? I imagine some of the states benefiting from the contracts and draperies are red states and contracts enacted by Republicans too.

This is not about blaming? This is all about blaming and it's not about getting vets the help they need. They need to hurry up and show they care rather than making lists about drapes.

This is a lame, dishonest tactic to use - whenever admin is criticized..

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Dems want the bread buttered on both sides:

Top side: Ignore any and all screwups of this administration - which takes some doing.

Bottom side: When the Republicans refuse to ignore the screwups, accuse them of politicizing [whatever].

I understand. It's probably one of the most difficult things in the world to be intellectually honest with ourselves when it forces us to acknowledge that we just might be wrong.

There is a big difference between refusing to - ignore screwups

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And having anything AT ALL to counter, i.e. what's your plan?

It's the same thing with Obamacare, Benghazi, Veterans. Yes, bad, bad, horrible, horrible, let's turn things around and find a solution, why don't we?

Talk about intellectual honesty. If it means acknowledging mistakes, that has been done already by everyone involved. What else do they have to do?

What about fixing things that are so horribly wrong, according to the Republicans, there's where I question the "intellectual honesty."

Where's the plan to fix it or do anything else but find scapegoats, blame Obama, and do nothing but hold ridiculous hearings about how awful everything is.

They should get off their butts and at least try to fix things instead of obstructing everything, then I might have some respect for them.

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Either this poster is uninformed or is a....... - SM

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Well, I don't like the name-calling technique, so I will just assume misinformed. Feel free to bash away at the actual content of the apology, but please stop the misinformation.

The rest of us understand that this is what can happen when one limits one's listening/viewing to certain misinformation channels.

Ok, he apologized. - Once.

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I still don't trust him, but I deleted my post.

Thanks for the link - Conservative/independent leaning - sm

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Haven't been here in awhile, so don't know what the poster you replied to said.

Mixed feeling on this one. He looked sincere. He kept looking down, so unsure if he was feeling uncomfortable, guilty or disinterested.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say I think he feels bad that so many are angry about this (but that in reality I think he feels bad that they got caught in their lies). Right now I'm undecided on whether he cares. He could care and like I said I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but that's hard to do for me, since most knew all along that he knew this would happen.

The best part of the link is the comments. That kind of says it all.

Compromise: Okay. Fine. If you like running with scissors, you can keep running with scissors. - sm

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I saw the deleted post earlier, it basically said Obama was a liar and "NEVER" (all caps) apologized for lying, etc., same old, same old.

I personally think he feels bad that people got scammed by their health care insurance providers. I don't think anybody in the administration--from top to bottom--could have predicted the actual lengths the insurance providers would go to in deceiving their individual health care policyholders.

The ACA does set out rules for all health plans, and the insurance companies had several years after the law was signed to get those plans adjusted to reflect the ACA or adjusted to be grandfathered. The ACA says insurance plans must:
- End lifetime limits on coverage.
- End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage.
- Cover adult children up to age 26.
- Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of costs and coverage.
- Spend insureds' premium costs on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses.

Grandfathered plans DID NOT have to:
- Cover preventive care for free.
- Guarantee your right to appeal insurance decisions (coverage denial, etc.)
- Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care.
- Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases.

Grandfathered individual health insurance plans (the kind you buy yourself, not the kind you get from an employer) DID NOT have to:
- End yearly limits on coverage.
- Cover you if you had a pre-existing health condition.

So if you happened to have an individual insurance plan that had a lifetime cap, did not cover your children until age 26, could be arbitrarily cancelled, and that didn't spend 80% to 85% of its insureds' premiums on their care versus bonuses/salaries, etc., then that that plan would have to be updated or replaced. If you did have a plan like that and for some reason actually did like it, then you were always going to have to make an adjustment to some other plan.

Instead of amending their plans to meet the minimum grandfather requirements, some health care providers shut down policies by their choice but not because of the ACA. Some actually tried to corral their clients into staying and accepting a much higher rate and then put blame on the ACA for it, and it's estimated that only 3% to 5% of the population actually "lost" their plan.

But, a compromise was made by the POTUS to fix that, and the issue is now moot.

Good Link! - Remember the Insanity?

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My favorite part of the article in the link:

"And finally, remember when the news media forced President Bush to apologize for the Medicare Part-D donut hole, which left thousands of seniors without prescription drugs for months on end? And remember when Bush enacted a fix for the hole?

I don't either."

So true! Although Democrats didn't like the Medicare Part-D expansion (and only 16 of them voted for it) and its price tag of $395 billion, that's B-illion projected between 2004 and 2013, they didn't carry on like these whiner political "conservative" hypocrites are about the ACA/Obamacare. That's not even the worst part. No!

"The Bush administration knew this figure was not accurate because Medicare's chief actuary, Richard Foster, had concluded, well before passage, that the more likely cost would be $534 billion. Tom Scully, a Republican political appointee at the Department of Health and Human Services, threatened to fire him if he dared to make that information public before the vote."

"When the legislation came up for its final vote on Nov. 22, 2003, it was failing by 216 to 218 when the standard 15-minute time allowed for voting came to an end.

What followed was one of the most extraordinary events in congressional history. The vote was kept open for almost three hours while the House Republican leadership brought massive pressure to bear on the handful of principled Republicans who had the nerve to put country ahead of party. The leadership even froze the C-SPAN cameras so that no one outside the House chamber could see what was going on."

The final vote after the hours of delay was 220-215. Only 25 Republicans voted AGAINST the bill, and all Democrats except 16 voted NO saying it was too expensive and was unfunded with 100% of the cost simply added to the federal budget deficit, just like the two wars we were already in to the tune of trillions of dollars in debt.

So what? That was 2003 and this is 2014, so what?

Republicans want to pull the plug on Obamacare, but they won't even consider repealing the deficit driver they created in 2003 with the Medicare drug plan. How big is the deficit hole caused by Medicare Part D? Over the next 75 years, its $7.5 trillion "unfunded obligation" exceeds the $6.7 trillion gap attributable to Social Security.

So after trillions in unfunded war costs and Medicare expansion with the part D pure giveaway to big pharma, if you're buying the load of baloney the Republicans are selling you that the US budget deficit is all Obama's fault, well, you're either not thinking or you're wishful thinking!

Excellent link highlighting the - unpaid for part D expansion

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And the sham "fiscal conservatism" party! So very true!

"...The national debt belongs to both parties. But at least the Democrats don’t go on Fox News day after day proclaiming how fiscally conservative they are, and organize tea parties to rant about deficits, without ever putting forward any plan for reducing them. Nor do they pretend that they have no responsibility whatsoever for projected deficits, at least half of which can be traced directly to Republican policies, according to Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag.

It astonishes me that a party enacting anything like the drug benefit would have the chutzpah to view itself as fiscally responsible in any sense of the term. As far as I am concerned, any Republican who voted for the Medicare drug benefit has no right to criticize anything the Democrats have done in terms of adding to the national debt.."

Of course..... - SM

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If people actually think that everything that's going wrong with the VA is the fault of the party controlling the White House versus the Senate or the United State's House, what would those people know about "intellectual honesty?"

What part of running away from leadership by this President - Truthhurts

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don't Democrats understand?

and not problem solving seems to be his favorite past time. Being interviewed by talk show hosts instead of meeting with top officials to fix problems in this administration is not his strong point. It seems like he likes to run away and pretend problems don't exist rather than make decisions. Does he think better or get any good ideas on how to fix problems when he goes golfing?

Most of his ideas never hit Congress for resolution and he only knows how to break the law with his EOs since he thinks EOs can legally make law. The newest one is the EO is one that's going to cost ALL of us MILLIONS in higher energy costs, yet the Obama idolizers won't care until it hits them where it hurts...in the pocketbook.

Too bad most of them didn't wake up.

He won. - sm

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Get over it.

Name calling him and everyone else and criticizing anything and everything won't change that fact.

But we can hope, can't we? - sm

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We can hope that we can salvage our beloved United States of America after the colossal mess he's created and promised. Remember, he wanted to fundamentally change America. Well, he's trying. Hopefully, his "changes" can be reversed.

Sure you can hope - sm

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But all this finger pointing, blaming, and complaining about anything and everything is nonproductive.

The "G" in GOP used to mean "grand," and now it means something else altogether. If you keep it up, you'll need a new mascot........

Good one!!!!! GOP = Grumpy Old Party - nm

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