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Trying to look at both sides (WI protests)
Posted: Feb 19, 2011
Okay...so here is my thing. I don't like unions. I think that unions have used and abused union workers all the while saying they are there to protect them. Union bosses have made outlandish salaries and are as crooked as the greedy CEOs who also make outlandish salaries.
I understand that union workers in WI are ticked. No one wants to lose money...just ask anyone in the private sector who has taken a pay cut or lost their jobs entirely. It sucks and it isn't fair. However, the state has to do something or some people aren't going to get paid at all.
In saying that, I don't understand why Walker won't negotiate on this and not take away collective bargaining. That measure I find rather harsh. I think (and maybe I'm wrong) many would begrudgingly accept this deal if they got to keep collective bargaining.
As for firefighters out there protesting, they are exempt from this as well as the police so I don't know why they are protesting.
Teachers...should be at school teaching the kids. I do have a problem with teachers calling in sick when they are not and schools being closed. Is it fair for the kids to have to make up this time and go to school into their summer break because of this? No.
I think there is childishness coming from both sides. There are some points that I agree and disagree with on both sides.
As to the heated discussion below about inciting violence.....I have yet to see the WI protesters incite violence. They have a right to depict any politician with a Hitler mustache.....just as the tea party people do. I don't believe the tea party incited violence either so I think both sides to accuse either side of that is absolutely ridiculous and just goes to show how immature and childish we can be.
So....I'm trying to be (stealing a phrase from Bill O'Reilly) fair and balanced here.
No spin. Just my personal thoughts on the situation.
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This is not about the budget. Purely about - busting unions for SM
[ In Reply To ..]political gain in future elections. Plain and simple.
absolutely about the budget - WI MT
[ In Reply To ..]What part of WI is trying to balance a debt of 3.6 billion did you not understand? What part of local governments pay 80% of their money to payroll and pensions did you not listen to? The money is gone. There is no more money to steal from the actual private workers to pay to the public sector. The teachers claim tax the rich, but in fact they are the rich. Right now in WI state employees pay NOTHING towards their health insurance and are being asked to pay $175 a month. Right now they pay $1 for every $57 they will get in a pension and they are asked to contribute 5.6%. The state workers will still have the option to be part of a union but it will not be mandatory.
I have posted this before, but our school district DEMANDED a 4% increase for their teachers for this and next year, would not consider a pay freeze or anything less than 4% and so it came to a vote. The voters said no. There is no reason to pay a PE teacher 98K plus benefits who is so overweight she teaches from a chair and can only teach PT due to her "health." There is no reason to pay the superintendant almost 200K for a school district of less than 2000 kids where in fact 51% of the kids are on reduced or free lunches because the parents make less than the poverty level. Absolutely about the budget.
Ummm, all contribution concessions have been offered - and rejected by Walker
[ In Reply To ..]despite the fact (by his own claim) this would balance the budget. Absolutely about union busting.
Dont act so blind. The states are broke!!! It IS - about the budget -wake up!.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Both sides - Doxielover
[ In Reply To ..]I am sadly uninformed but I caught a piece of it on Diane Sawyer. From what I gather, the people who took a lower pay so they could have better retirement benefits are now going to lose those benefits? In my opinion, the lower pay was to partially pay for the better retirement benefits. So now they aren't going to get them and they are old and have already paid for something they are not going to get? If I understand it right, that is just wrong wrong wrong. As far as the others, I am retired now and I didn't have the ability to save or build anything and I have no support system. I am lucky I earned enough to live on Social Security at this time, but I fear for the future. Maybe I won't live long enough for it to be intolerable but if it is, what are they going to do? Let us all die?? I too hate unions. My father was a trucker in the Teamsters Union and they were nothing but a bunch of thugs IMO. There was a strike once and my dad was just going over the picket line to get his CAR out of the lot and they threw bricks at him and slashed his convertible top and what all. It was a nightmare. Of course, truckers now make less than half of my dad's salary back then. I made more as an MT than they do now.
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