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Posted: Oct 21, 2012

would become newly principled because this would cut their premium costs, as well as the insurance companies.' Just one more way for insurance to discriminate against women--if we allow it to happen.

See the article below for average costs of all (normal) methods of birth control. The figures on the left side of the ranges are what insured people pay now, the ones on the right the uninsured item cost what many, many more will pay if Romney is elected (assuming the drug companies don't grab the opportunity to raise prices on individual buyers.)

BTW, when people refer to the Blunt Amendment or Sandra Fluke, the subject is this--the notion that having to cover birth control (the same as Viagra is, say) would be a violation of the moral rights of employers. Our rights are at stake too, but not considered by those who want to shift these costs to women.

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/alpha-consumer/2012/03/05/the-real-cost-of-birth-control

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Since when is birth control a "right?" (nm) - SK1

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Ah, SK1, you'd argue for stewing kittens if Democrats were - against it. Keep that ol' knee joint oiled.nm

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Our right is to just as comprehensive medical insurance coverage as men get. BTW - the cost of getting a physician to PRESCRIBE

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birth control? WOULD NOT BE COVERED EITHER...

I prefer stewed puppies.... - SK1

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And I don't do party politics.

But that doesn't answer the question.... When did birth control become a "right?" Anyone?

ETA: I think birth control is great and I would rather pay for someone's birth control rather than an unwanted child. That said, that doesn't make it a "right," any more than obtaining insurance-covered Viagra is a "right." People are using "rights" and "privileges" interchangeably. I, for one, do differentiate.

Glad to see a voice of reason on this issue - Conservative

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People use those terms interchangeably all the time, but it does not shore up any support that anyone is responsible for someone elses' choices. Sadly, the entitlement mentality has invaded every aspect.

Since when is Viagra a "right?" It's not about the pill. - It's about prohibiting insurance companies

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from perpetuating the notion that being a female is a "pre-existing" condition that merits higher premiums and selectively LESS coverage than males get for similar "conditions" and needs.

Since when is discrimination a "right" for these companies the GOP seems driven to sanction under law? For instance, would it be OK with you for them to cover vasectomies and NOT cover tubal ligations?

VERY good points. I'm afraid for Romney and Ryan womanhood - will always be a preexisting condition. nm

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Ridiculous points - But then Obama sees no - problems with infanticide

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Easy to recognize the camp that love to kill defenseless babies and spin it a thousand ways to justify their acts of murder.

Speaking of ridiculous - mbmt

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I think the posters you are addressing made some very good points. I also resent you insinuating that Democrats/liberals "love to kill defenseless babies." That,in my opinion, is a ridiculous statement.

Interestingly, many Dems are antiabortion, but Pubs - have refused to fight abortion with them. With

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a little misdirection from their leaders, of course.

Nevertheless, it's always made me question the sincerity of many Pubs who claimed to be antiabortion. I had to figure they were just running with the crowd and corrupting it with their lack of commitment to principle. That it was just like what we see from many on this board--being against whatever the other "team" is said to be for, whatever it is, right and wrong be damned. And thread after thread, it's often right that's damned. And I'm not talking abortion in this case.

Speaking of ridiculous - mbmt - STOP YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS

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I don't give a rats behind what YOU think or what YOU resent. Your post, "in my opinion, is a ridiculous statment". When you stop your persoinal attacks, then you can go after other posters. Till then, you have no right to personally attack anyone.

Very funny - mbmt

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Try to stop me from stating my opinion. I dare you.

So, you are buying what Obama sells, then. - It is insulting to women and ridiculous ! nm

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Nothing in this thread is about Obama at all. - It's about Romney's religious agenda and

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Do you know how crazy you sound? - JC

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If you really believe that Romney and Ryan feel that way about their wives, you are really sick.

Why is it that when someone believes in abortion, they are enlightened but when they don't believe in abortion, they are religious wackos or want to enslave women.

The baby is in your body, but it is a life. I am not religious and never have been. I don't believe in abortion. I could never do it. I am not saying I will stop your right to have one, but at least try to understand that you are taking a fledgling life. The baby could have had a cure for cancer or bring world peace. I know they could also be a mass murderer, but only a tiny number turn out to be mass murderers. Most people bring some kind of beauty to someone's life.

Like I said a few months ago...I'll pay for your birth control and you can pay for my ammo... - Liberty

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Absolutely criminal that I have to pay for someone's birth control or Viagra!!!

Yep - I'm with you -- Sick of the whiners - that want everyone else

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to be responsible for their birth control and reproductive issues. If you are so immature and incompetent that you have to force others into your bedroom situations to pay for what you will not seek out for free because your are so lazy, get your freaking tubes tied and be done with it. Save all your poor, tired, old arguments...you cannot swing a cat without hitting a Planned Parenthood office/affiliate AND THEY OFFER FREE BIRTH CONTROL.

Libs/Dems also pose this as if they are so "concerned, compassionate, enlightened", yet look at the nasty comments they made about Benghazi bening a non-issue. Never met a Lib or Dem yet that was not a cmplete hypocrite... will keep hoping for that day that I actually meet one that has any kind of common sense.

WHO HASN'T VOTED YET? Please GO VOTE for decency - and responsibility and against hatemongers. nm

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I just sealed my absentee ballot and voted - Unaffiliated

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Democratic across the board.

I hope nobody cheats when casting my vote on my behalf.

P.S. - sm

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It's also very important to focus on local, county and state elections, as well. The Republicans have been busy on these levels and have their surrogates in place. It's time for the Democrats to do the same.

YEAH- DITCH THE HATEMONGERS!! - VOITE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN!!

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Right on! I am sick of them too. Personal responsiblity - and liberalism do not go together.nm

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You all don't want to pay for birth control - sm

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...but you don't want to subsidize the pregnancy, birth or raising of these babies either. You don't want their mothers and families to have any kind of "entitlements" whatsoever. You probably balk when it comes time to educate these children as well.

You can't have it both ways. Why does your piety only extended to the products of conception? Are the needy "post-born" worthy only of your contempt?

Please explain.

What a self-serving, deceptive, obnoxious post - that is not at all what has

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been posted on this board. YOU'RE the one that needs to explain why you misrepresented what's been posted to try and shore up your misleading comments.

Not 1 single poster on here every said they wanted all "ENTITLEMENTS DENIED" for anyone, including women, children or men.

You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize being rseponsible in birth control issues costs far less than raisig a child to adulthood, especially when PP hands out birth control for free like a PEZ dispenser. If a woman is so unaccountable, impulsive and lacks control to the degree that she can't plan for her children and expects everyone else to be accountable other than her, she has serious issues. Pretty easy to see where you fit in.

BTW - The only women I personally know that got abortions did so because a child was "inconvenient" to their lifestyle -- their choice of words, not mine.

These misleading, lying, playground antics are exactly why this board hits the toilet so fast.

Would like to see 1, just 1 post/poster saying every single "entitlement" should denied. Do you work? Are you an MT? If not, maybe if you had skin in the game, you would be more judicious in your communist belief of "spreading the wealth", especially when you are the 1 having to work for it and give to those too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives and decisions.

Pathetic.

What a load of ... ridiculous assumptions - sm

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I was going to go line by line, and then realized I can't spare the brain cells. Suffice it to say that your response was pretty much a complete fail.

You might work on your critical thinking and reading comprehension skills before posting next time, sport

Wll "sport" - Pretty clear you're short of "Brain Cells" - And lack "critical thinking" (your quote

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BTW Skippy, your attempt at insults and condescenscion are only outdone by your completely routine factless comments and posts.

Now go eat some fish - it'll help with the deficiencies in your gray matter(that's slang for brain Skippy- knew that would be a dome scraatcher for ya).

When you hit the bottom, keep digging :D - Get some sleep. nm

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What's your excuse even after a full night's sleep? - Drugs, alcohol - share with your friends :D

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Get some help Sarah - you aint funny, just very pitiful.

LOL whut? You seem to have mistaken me for - someone named Sarah.

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You've got me all figured out. You've got a mind like a steel trap.

...other people's children, I swear

Paying for Viagra has gone on for YEARS now. Where - were you then? SM

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Were you too busy stereotyping people that you'd need your "ammo" for later?

I voted Democratic all the way and guess what? I have "ammo" too.

It's part of health-care. - RC

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Why is that such a horrible thing to some people?

Sociologists study it every day. It's self hatred based - on "insecurity," etc., directed outward.

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Personally, I have my own insecurities, but they don't cause me to hate myself. Even if they did, though, they certainly wouldn't cause me to turn vicious and hateful toward whatever targets grab my eye. I can't even begin imagine the sort of burning malice and hostility that so many here seem to enjoy.

Even if they all explain it this way, as if it could happen to any of us if only..., I don't believe it.

Sounds like It's self hatred based - on "insecurity," etc., directed outward - Dems and Libs state of mind

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ABSTINENCE....is the best birth control there is... - anon93

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AND it costs nothing....AND insurance companies don't have to pay for it. KNEES TOGETHER!!!

What about HEALTH reasons? - RC

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Just so you know, only 14% of women take the pill solely for contraceptive purposes.

Also, women married take it. Do you want them to keep their legs shut, too?

yes....we don't need any more entitlistic offspring - anon92

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sucking up any resources in the future which should be "reserved" for the govt officials. (sarcastic only, don't really feel this way.)

I was placed on the pill in my 20s for - sm

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excessive menstrual bleeding in an effort to straighten out my periods.

I was not sexually active during this time and only took the pill for the reason it was prescribed to me.

I guess people like me don't count to Romneyasiaics. I already know the contempt with which Romney sees me because I'm one of the 47%.

I wonder how many 47%-ers are going to vote for a person who is completely against them and openly says so.

Personally, I think there are other more important - anon391

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issues that need to be addressed by our future president than birth control. Placing all your focus on this one non-issue is just devaluing all the major issues that need to be brought under control for our country to even run half way economically soundly. The way things are going right now, worrying about whether our insurance companies are going to be able to pay for birth control is almost bordering on ridiculous. Pay for it yourself if the insurance companies refuse to, or use condoms. There are many different options out there, and other medications to help control menstrual problems. Horse hormones are not going to "cure" you anyway. Pity the poor horses!

This incident in my life happened 30 years ago. - sm

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My choices were the pill or a hysterectomy. Again, I was in my 20s.

You are incorrect when you imply that ALL my focus is on abortions or contraception. There are plenty of issues on which Romney is just plain scary.

Kiss America goodbye if he wins.

Oh, come on!. Employers are stalling hiring because - of Obamacare,,which is worse! nm

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Nonsense. They're keeping their money tucked away - until the economy's perfectly safe. Business

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dislikes insecurity about what's going to happen above all else. So they wait; even though they could invest fairly securely, that's not good enough. They want the security of knowing. Now, our government can and does offer guarantees against losses to entice some to reopen, but that's nasty old government interference with business.

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole unemployment - sm

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thing was orchestrated by the Republicans and/or the National Chamber of Commerce so that we'd be in the situation we are in right now.

Profits couldn't be higher for many of these companies.

Sounds like nothing but greed coming from the "elitists" like Romney.

It represents the continued disparity between men and women - Fanatical Hypocrite

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While on one hand, I definitely understand not wanting to subsidize another person's sex life, the problem is that that is how it has been framed. As RC pointed out elsewhere, the pill has legitimate medical uses that have nothing to do with preventing conception.

Beyond that, removing the pill and leaving Viagra and vasectomies and other men's sexual health medication/treatments/procedures covered is a sexist policy.

Then, as SK1 pointed out, there is the financial side that an unwanted pregnancy costs far more to both parties pocketbooks while an abortion costs far more to the moral convictions of both sides. So neither side should want accidental pregnancies because no one wins.

Finally, this sets a dangerous precedent for employers. What if your employer was a Christian Scientist and was against blood transfusions? What if your employer was Scientologist and didn't cover psychiatric services? What if your employer was vegan and wouldn't let you use any product conceived through the use of animal testing? What if your employer was a capitalist and wouldn't let you use anything that cost him money? If we let employers choose what to cover and what not to cover, we open a Pandora's box.

Biden openly says he's Catholic, BUT he - sm

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stated in the debate that he doesn't believe in forcing his religious beliefs on millions of citizens who may not share those beliefs.

THIS is how a politician should think and act, especially one that is leading an entire country.

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