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The Big Picture Regarding the Hobby Lobby Decision


Posted: Jul 1, 2014

I think to a lot of people, the Supreme Court's decision in the Hobby Lobby case is largely about an overhaul of corporations' rights to control employees, basically a first step to more control over their lives.  Sure, it's about the birth control issue, but the "big picture" about the decision is this opening of the door to who knows what is next from big business?  The same people who are saying they don't want government to come between people and their doctor seem quite content to allow big business to jump right in.

The Supreme Court, right down party lines, just gave some corporations protection based on a clause in the Constitution meant to protect religious institutions.  So now corporations have even more advantages that real people do not.  Corporations have been given the rights of citizens and are "people" and also have protections of mitigation of risk by incorporating multiple investors together, along with all the financial breaks and tax breaks that come with it (lower taxes, offshoring to avoid taxes), adding to all that now is their protection as religious institutions.  In what way can you continue to call our system "free market capitalism" when every advantage goes to corporate "people" at the expense of actual people?  That's the big picture. 

Ironically and not surprisingly, if you go into any Hobby Lobby, you will find aisles and aisles and racks upon racks stocked full of merchandise for sale with the words "made in China" or "People's ROC."  The fact is, these bastions of Christianity have no problem whatsoever supporting a communist country that has a family planning policy allowing only 1 or 2 children, leading to forced abortions and female infanticide.  Now there's some good Christian values.  So maybe they're operating under the corporate "Christian" values here and not those of actual Christians.

I'm telling everyone now that if you're all excited because you perceive this to be a "smackdown" of Obama or that this decision means "you" won't have to pay for someone else's birth control, I believe this is a mistake on your part. Why? Because if I know President Obama, I believe he will eventually have the ACA cover what the church corporations like Snobby Lobby and the others refuse to cover.

I'm guessing he'll try to work with Congress to act to protect employees from the Supreme Court's decision here, but one way or another, stay tuned for the administrative fix to come from President Obama.  Somebody has to have the backs of the real people versus the corporations.

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I think you're right. Birth control and religion - are just smoke screens,

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used because they create a lot of ruckus and emotion, and to draw our attention away from what's REALLY happening.

President Obama PLEASE sign an executive order overriding - just me

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Snobby Lobby.

Also please sign an executive order allowing the immigrants to stay in this country.

I don't think he'll even need to. How dumb would - an employer have to be to -

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go through with any of this nonsense? If they can find out what BC a woman employee is using, and direct the insurance company not to cover it, then of course she can just as easily find out who did the directing. Imagine the ruckus she could raise about that. They'd be slitting their own financial throats. There would be a huge likelihood for press coverage, and a resulting backlash against that company and its products or services. I wonder if anyone on the side of ridiculous lawmaking has thought this one through.
Need to? So an executive order can usurp - OMG
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the Supreme Court and the Congress? If so, why do we even need three branches?

I'm afraid for the Republic.
As well you should be, because if things don't - start to turn around for the better,
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and soon, there may be no going back. And when that happens, we might begin to see the kind of destruction and chaos that other countries with oppressive governments are facing. Once people have nothing left to lose, they become extremely dangerous. I worry that someday there will be so many stomped-on people in this country one day, that we'll all wake up to gun battles outside our bedroom windows.

The 162,000 illegal immigrants.... - Mary

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Can all come to your house and live - and you can feed them and clothe them. And you will have to get them off to school every morning or find jobs for them - let me know how this works out for you.

That really is the height of hypocrisy. - !!!

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"The fact is, these bastions of Christianity have no problem whatsoever supporting a communist country that has a family planning policy allowing only 1 or 2 children, leading to forced abortions and female infanticide."

I just went through a bag of things I bought last week from Hobby Lobby


Quote--"The fact is, these bastions of Christianity have no problem whatsoever supporting a communist country that has a family planning policy allowing only 1 or 2 children, leading to forced abortions and female infanticide."


Wow.  Okay.  I just went through a bag of things I bought last week from Hobby Lobby for a project.  On one item, a box of paint brushes, printed on the package at the bottom in purple it shows the Hobby Lobby web site address, store address, and "Made in China" on it so appears to be made directly for the company in China.  Sure enough, every item I have says it's made in China.  I was going to post the picture from their website, but I didn't want to violate any trademarks.


I don't know about anybody else, but to me this really is the height of hypocrisy for Hobby Lobby to have products made in communist China, a country with policies that lead to infanticide and forced abortion, and then there's the child labor issue too.


Hobby Lobby directly supports this.  What a bunch of hypocrites.

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Sounds to me like YOU support of all of the above. You bought the items. You could choose to buy nothing but American, but you choose to buy the lowest cost item. It is not Hobby Lobby that is the problem, it is you who demand and buy those products.

That was a long return line - but worth it

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Sounds to me like you're making a lot of assumptions about somebody you don't know. Those actually were NOT the lowest cost items, quite the contrary some of the higher cost items, and I was sent there by someone to buy the items for a project this weekend at the local library. Contrary to your wrong assumptions, I don't demand to buy those products and had never been in that store before I was sent there on the errand.

Interestingly, I had decided never to set foot in the store again, but I decided to be proactive and return the items and purchase similar items elsewhere. I've just returned home and...... Wow. There was a line of around a dozen people in front of me returning items, and about 6 or so behind me when I left.

And though not everyone's powers of assumption are equal, I don't think it would take too many guesses to figure out what the topic of conversation was while waiting in line!

They Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection - See link to Forbes

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"Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012--three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit--show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k)."

"These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis ACT -0.1%, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer PFE +0.03%, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer , which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca AZN +0.28%, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna AET -0.84% and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell."

When added up, the nine funds holding the stated investments involve three-quarters of Hobby Lobby's 401(k) assets.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

It's really kind of hard to believe this company has a problem with supporting abortion when you look at these types of facts.

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