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Obama's decision

Posted: May 1, 2012

has a long artice on the day of osama's death. The more details available, the more it shows Obama was truly courageous to order the raid. several close advisors (Biden included) advised against it. Among the options available, Obama chose the riskiest with great success.

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Navy Seals' Response - sm

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it is absolutely unacceptable - for a service member

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to publicly criticize his commander in chief. What a shame we cannot even find patriotism in a SEAL (speaking of this one only). But as the swift boaters proved, some people value politics over country. right wing can and will always dig up some malcontent to complain and feed the rabid wingers.
Paaaathetic.

"Several current and former members of the US Navy SEALS"? - Don't believe a word of it either. nm

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President Obama is Commander In Chief - SimpleSimon

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If the mission had failed, he would have been blamed. It is only right he should be given the credit. If he had not put together this team and ultimately made the decision, we would not be having this conversation.

President Obama is Commander In Chief - - Unfortunately

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In title only - sm

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There is a difference between just having the name and actually "being" a commander in chief. I wouldn't have blamed him if BL hadn't been caught just like I don't give him credit. I give the credit to the NS and other service men who actually did the job. Mr. O did no thing different than Bush or any president would have done.

Just read it and have to agree with you - SM

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Obvious political hit job because the talking points are to try to downplay the decision by saying "any president would have done it" conveniently omitting the fact that when Obama said he would go after bin Laden without a country's permission Romney said he would NOT do it because it would damage our fragile friendship with Pakistan. Carter DID send similar mission which failed. Yet Romney dissed Carter. Just play to the hate base, Mitt, it worked for W.

PAATHETIC describes OBAMA - playing politics with bin Laden - oh wait

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Obama record soooo paaaathetic, Obama has nothing else going fo rhim. Guess Left wingers will stoop so low, you gotta dig 'em a hole.

So what describes McCains "secret plan" he touted - at every stump stop in 2008?

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You remember when HE politicized the capture of bin Laden, dontcha? I am wondering if you also found the explanation he gave to be PAATHETIC?

When questioned about HIS secret plan, and specifically about why he is not sharing HIS strategy with the current president, McCain explained, "Because I have MY OWN ideas and it would require implementation of certain policies and procedures that ONLY AS THE PRESIDENT of the United States can be taken.”

Sounds like someone painting himself as the only person on the planet who could get bin Laden. Sounds like a politician who is putting his own self interests (i.e. winning the election) above national security. Sounds like a politician who is not willing to share the credit for killing bin Laden with anyone but HIMSELF. Then, of course, there is that possibility that he had no plan at all and was just trying to bluff his way into the White House.

PAATHETIC? Yes or no? Whichever way it goes, you have to agree that McCain obviously feels the POTUS should get the credit, huh? Is this one of those things that only happens when the Commander-in-Chief is a republican...just another GOP exercise in hypocrisy?

I have mixed feelings - what if - sm

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In the era that I was in the service we were not allowed to talk politics or publicly say anything for or against the president (Reagan at that time). Time have changed now as I know a lot of military spoke out against Bush and I never heard the outcry that I do if anyone speaks against the current guy.

The problem is this SEAL IS a patriot. Speaking on what is right is patriotism. To sit back and not say anything when something wrong has been done is not patriotism.

And patriotims is not calling a group you don't agree with "rabid wingers". Every person is a citizen of this country. This person signed up and is willing to give his life for the safety and lives of others - like YOU. He is a true patriot. You should look up what patriotism means before you slam someone because he said something you don't agree with.

Thing is you don't know this service member. You don't know his record and you have no idea what he has given up for the safety of the "country". Get it, country, not one man.

I don't care what he said. The Navy Seals ARE patriots. In fact they are even more of a patriot if they stand up for what is right and say so.

ridiculously misleading article - sm

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The article quotes "former US Navy Commander Ryan Zinke" but fails to mention that he is currently a republican senator from Montana. It is in his capacity as a politician - not a navy SEAL - that he criticizes the president.

What risk, exactly? Just curious. He got the call - saying the brave SEALS could kill him,

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not Obama.... and Obama said get him. Honestly, would any other president so far have made a different decision other than maybe Carter?

CLINTON MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION - CLINTON LET BIN LADEN GO

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Since progs/libs and dems hate facts of any kind, those with a desire for truth only need to do a little digging in the not-to-distant history. Clinton got the call and old Billy boy was so busy with Monica, he let bin Laden go. We all know the 3000+ that died because of Clinton's incompetency and being more worried about chasing Monica's tail than chasing bin Laden. No CLINTON is a class act.

Different circumstance... was speaking of something - SPECIFIC, but Clinton is a thug anyway.nm

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and the day after 9/11 - ...

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President Bush allowed members of the Bin Laden family to leave the states and go home.

oh gesh - head goat herder

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i don't even want to think about the fiasco on 9/11 with Bushie cruzin the skies while Cheney ran the country. Dreadful, dreadful day.

That is a very snarky comment. The Mitt Club - tough decisions

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Do you not know the tough call President Carter made? Yes, his decision failed and he basically lost the presendency because of it. There are no guarantees in a call like this. Carter made a tough call and lost. Obama made an even tougher call and won. Bush invented a call and lost big time and brought the whole country down with him.

Even Carter would have done it??? - Mitt should just shut his mouth

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Here is Jimmy Carter's military resume. Please share Mitt's military resume if you can find one.

Lieutenant James Earle Carter, Jr., USN
attended Georgia Southwestern College in Americus, Georgia. After a year there, Carter transferred to Georgia Institute of Technology to study mathematics for a year in order to qualify for the U.S. Naval Academy. In 1943, Carter received an appointment to the academy and became a member of the Class of 1947. After completing the accelerated wartime program, he graduated on 5 June 1946 with distinction and obtained his commission as ensign.

After he graduated, Carter was stationed at Norfolk and assigned to USS Wyoming (E-AG 17), an older battleship that had been converted into a floating laboratory for testing new electronics and gunnery equipment. On Wyoming, Carter served as radar officer and CIC officer. Detached when Wyoming was decommissioned on 23 July 1947, he was assigned that day to another similarly used battleship, USS Mississippi (E-AG 128) as Training and Education Officer. After completing two years of surface ship duty, Carter chose to apply for submarine duty. Accepted, he began the six-month course at the U.S. Navy Submarine School, Submarine Base, New London, Connecticut from 14 June to 17 December 1948.

Upon completion of the course, Carter was assigned to USS Pomfret (SS 391) based at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii where he reported on board on 29 December. Pomfret left on a simulated war patrol to the western Pacific and the Chinese coast on 4 January 1949. On board, Carter qualified in a submarine on 4 February, and served as Communications Officer, Sonar Officer, Electronics Officer, Gunnery Officer and Supply Officer. On 9 March, he served as the approach officer for a simulated torpedo firing at target ships, and scored a "hit." The submarine returned to Pearl Harbor on 25 March. Soon after Carter's promotion to Lieutenant Junior Grade on 5 June 1949, Pomfret was sent in July to San Diego where the submarine operated along the California coast.

Detached from Pomfret on 1 February 1951, Carter was assigned as Engineering Officer for the precommissioning detail for USS K-1 (SSK 1). K-1, the first postwar submarine built, was under construction by Electric Boat Division, General Dynamics Corporation, Groton, Connecticut. After K-1's commissioning on 10 November 1951, Carter served as Executive Officer, Engineering Officer, and Electronics Repair Officer. During this tour he also qualified for command of a submarine.

When Admiral Hyman G. Rickover (then a captain) started his program to create nuclear powered submarines, Carter wanted to join the program and was interviewed by Rickover. On 1 June 1952, Carter was promoted to Lieutenant. Selected by Rickover, Carter was detached on 16 October 1952 from K-1 for duty with the U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Division of Reactor Development in Schenectady, New York. From 3 November 1952 to 1 March 1953, he served on temporary duty with the Naval Reactors Branch, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, DC to assist "in the design and development of nuclear propulsion plants for naval vessels."

From 1 March to 8 October, Carter was preparing to become the engineering officer for the nuclear power plant to be placed in USS Seawolf (SSN 575), one of the first submarines to operate on atomic power. He assisted in setting up training for the enlisted men who would serve on Seawolf. During this time his father became very sick and died in July 1953. After his father's death in 1953, Carter resigned from the Navy to return to Georgia to manage the family interests. Carter was honorably discharged on 9 October 1953 at Headquarters, Third Naval District in New York City. On 7 December 1961, he transferred to the retired reserve with the rank of Lieutenant at his own request.

thanks for that recap - S

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That snarky aside by Willard was uncalled for and totally disrespectful.
What does that tell you about a person who would do such a thing?

What color is YOUR sky - Nothing but crazy talk here - nm

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Remember "Mission Accomplished" on the aircraft carrier? Huh? sm - VTMT

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There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, president Obama has or can do right according to most of the republicans on this board. As far as killing Osama, it happened during Obama's presidency and it was up to him to give the final go-ahead. The mission was successful, and for the last year the President has given all credit to the Navy Seals. If the mission had been unsuccessful, who would the blame be on then, the Seals, no the President for giving the go-ahead. Ask Jimmy Carter. There is nothing wrong in my opinion with a campaign ad mentioning that Obama did go after Osama and Romney said he wouldn't waste the time or the money trying to find him. That is the truth plain and simple.

I remember bush in his padded flight - suit

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strutting around like Mick Jagger. Wonder if he wore that on cold days when he biked 12,000 miles to stay in shape

Remember "SUMMER of RECOVERY" - still waiting for it

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And you have those that think Obama can do no wrong. Obama is an complete total incompetent. News flash - You COMPLETELY eliminated the entire Romney quote to suit your purposes. Dishonest post to only put up what YOU think supports your position, and leave out what Romney ACTUALLY SAID.

Typical of a lib, though, to NEVER document entire truth, twist what was acutally said, and to eliminate anything not in keeping with dems/libs/progs twisted sense of reality.

Their specific mission WAS accomplished... - and President Bush congratulated them.

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A war is made up of many missions, FYI.

he got the call? - Hmmmm

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There was an itsy bit MORE to it than that. Lots of information available on the internets about actual details for those who care to have an informed opinion.

HE GOT THE CALL ON THE GOLF COURSE! - Had to quit his game 1-1/2 hrs. early,

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Heard that on the radio today, and find it absolutely believable.

Golf course ?! Like this was a shock - Obama's office -nm

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heard it on the radio! - was that between

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the ads for gold investment and cremation services? I can only surmise that you believe one day the president was golfing and out of the blue he received a call saying hey we found bin Laden wanna do something? and he said okay send in some SEALS. Since you dont care enough to learn the actual planning and discussions involved, I'm not interested in continuing our conversation.

why so mean grasshopper? - Like anyone cares if you wan to have a conservatoi

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you obviously cared - enough

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to respond. that means the world to me, cricket.

Hope springs eternal - grasshopper

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We spread sunshine wherever we can...takes so little to make the fact-challenged happy. Smile away :)

Nope, nope, nope . . . - Brian Williams, NBC

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Obama only got to play 9 holes that day. Look at the group pix in the Situation Room -- he's wear a golf shirt! LOL!

That's "wearing" a golf shirt - typing too fast ;)

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Of course Biden was against it. He is even more - incompetent than Obama himself. nm

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