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Rubio claims "Not fair" on Iraq question

Posted: May 18, 2015

The question, MARCO, is whether you think it was a mistake to go to war in Iraq. Not, whether you think it was a mistaken judgment on the part of Pres. Bush to go to war. We want to know if you think it w a mistake!

1. Would you have decided to go to war based on things at the time.

2. In retrospect, was it a mistake (having found out different information, watching the Iraq's development, ISIS, etc.)?

I guess the problem with this is that if they say "yes, it was a mistake" they indict the Republican party. If they say "no, it wasn't a mistake," they just look stupid.

These guys have so much baggage to check, they aren't going to get to the gate at the primary.

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Why doesn't Hillary answer reporters' questions? - Deflection Alert

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I'm stumped by this. What baggage is she trying to hide in those saddle bags of hers?

She already did answer this question (Iraq War vote): "I got it wrong, plain and simple." - see link - JS

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Though I agree she's a little too mum these days, I don't fault people for admitting they were wrong. Hillary admitted she was wrong/made a mistake about her Iraq War vote in her memoirs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/05/hillary-clinton-on-iraq-vote-i-still-got-it-wrong-plain-and-simple/

Bush never has, nor are the Republican candidates, they are giving "yes-no" answers and backpeddling, which I think is the OP's point.

Let's be honest, after 9/11, the right-wing propaganda wagon was working overtime, we were all on high-alert and it seemed somewhat plausible at the time, even to Hillary Clinton.

If they'd told us Kruschev was actually still alive and he did it, we would've considered it for a half a second, lol, we were all scared. People just didn't want to believe Bush et al would lie to us like that. Apparently, people STILL can't believe it.

But 13 years after this vote, it is time for people to admit what Hillary did - "I got it wrong."

PS - if GW Bush had any character, he'd step up right now and admit it too, instead of - letting these candidates answer for him JS

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It's not their fault, most of them weren't even in Congress. He should step up to the plate, admit it was a mistake like Hillary did, and take the heat off the newbies for HIS mistake. But he won't, not tven for the sake of his own brother.

Why doesn't he?

Because he's more selfish and has less character than Jeb, that's why. Not a huge Jeb fan, but there is a difference between the two brothers.

The deceit is entrenched--never admit to it - unless proven beyond--no never

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I think somewhere in his pea brain he still believes there was some justification for it, maybe it is his pocket that believes it, I hate to think he is that bad, but maybe.

"The deceit is entrenched--never admit to it - unless proven beyond--no never" - Sounds like Hildabeast bumper sticker

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Truth.

Sorry, but Bush has admitted regrets - Truthhurts

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WMDs were found during and after Iraq by the U.N. peace-keeping forces, the military, and ISIS, but the majority were not there because they were moved out of Iraq (probably to Syria).

(Nov. 2008)
George Bush, in a moment of reflection ahead of his departure from the White House, last night admitted that the decision to go to war against Saddam Hussein on the basis of flawed intelligence was the biggest regret of his presidency. The acknowledgment marks the first time that Bush has publicly expressed doubts about his rationale for going to war on Iraq.

In the run-up to the war, the White House adopted a position of absolute certainty that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, basing its arguments on intelligence that was later exposed as flimsy and wrong.

"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq," Bush told ABC television in an interview...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/02/george-bush-iraq-interview

Sorry, he blamed US Intel, never said "I" or took personal responsibility for his own - poor choices like Hillary did (read link again?) J

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Here is the Hillary link again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/05/hillary-clinton-on-iraq-vote-i-still-got-it-wrong-plain-and-simple/

Look at this sentence:

"I thought I had acted in good faith and made the best decision I could with the information I had. And I wasn't alone in getting it wrong. But I still got it wrong. Plain and simple."

Then look at this one from GW Bush:

"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq," Bush told ABC television in an interview...

See the difference?

One person mentions they got the wrong info, but also says "I" and took responsibility for their own bad choice. The other person never says "I" and blames other people entirely for their own bad choices.

That's like me saying: "MY biggest US regret is GWB's lack of intelligence and failures" - and that's true too!:)

His response was stereotypical right-wing response and MO - deflect off their own wrongdoings and demand other people take responsibility, but never take personal responsibility for a dang thing themselves.

Ya know, like what happened to this entire thread which was originally about Rubio?

Republicans should be asking the Bush Family Golden Boy to step up to the plate on this, instead of letting it fall on his less popular-with-the-far-right Bush brother (because he married a Mexican).

But they won't - Daddy always did get his #1 favorite son out of trouble, forget everyone else ;)

PS: The link provided offered no proof of WMD in Iraq, just the Bush interview. Because - there isn't any, thus candidate questioningJS

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The commenter I was replying to also stated as fact:

"WMDs were found during and after Iraq by the U.N. peace-keeping forces, the military, and ISIS, but the majority were not there because they were moved out of Iraq (probably to Syria"

But the link provided no proof of that claim, just the Bush interview. That's because there IS no proof, thus the questioning of new Republican candidates on it in the first place.

Even if they had been moved to Syria, Geiger counters would've picked up radioactivity a year later.

May I just say I'm a little tired of things being stated here as fact repeatedly, without ever producing a shred of evidence as proof.

Again, Tea Party - that game is over, here. It's misleading, dishonest and reflects poorly of the Tea Party itself. I doubt that is the intent.

As per usual, only selective posts to shore up the DemAlinsky - talking points

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Saddam himself admitted to having WMD, but guess that's not good enough for those w the party glasses.
Try reading everything, not just Dems' cover up of the truth.

Right wing? Is it always believe what Saddam Hussein said or never believe it? I can never remember - I need to be told what to believe too ;) JS

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Even if we had a link to Saddam ever saying such a thing in his native language, it wouldn't matter, the point I made above in my title supersedes it.

I certainly hope there's a good salary in saying absurd things just to annoy people on the internet.

Otherwise, it must be hobby then, which is just sad.

Ummm, you need to stop reading things into posts - not there. Umm, saying "absurd things on the

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internet" or this board....Ummmm, otherwise, "it must just be a hobby then, which is sad".

I'm not sure what this means or I'd reply. Just seems to me like an attempt to flip - my words back onto me that failed miserably JS

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and isn't even a coherent sentence nor thought.

Ah, well, that explains my "reading too much into things", then, if they're not clear.

Geez, do a little homework. Look up the reports - Truthhurts

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from both the U.N. inspectors, and the CIA/FBI investigations, or is that too hard to do?

Um, I provided the 2004 bipartisan investigation by the Senate Committee on Pre-War Intel - in Iraq 2 hrs ago? (top of pg)JS

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Sweetie, don't lecture me to research reports that I provided 2 hours ago at the top of this page, but not provide any yourself.

Here's that comment:

http://general.mtstars.com/416255.html

Here is the link to the PDF report again in case you missed it at the top of the page - to include UNCOM's investigations and FBI and CIA info the Senate reviewed (a Republican majority as well):

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf

Isn't that your ID directly below admitting there WAS an intel failure in the very title of your comment?

But today, the intel was correct, even though the Senate committee said it was a failure? Taking it back now, are we?

Why not, it seems to be the Modern Repub way now (or at least the Tea Party way).

Forget what they said the day before and can't keep their lies straight, tsk tsk

The intelligence failure is what started the whole Iraq war - Truthhurts

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They reported WMDs and links to other terrorist groups.

He told the Times that if Saddam was still in power "it is likely you would be seeing a nuclear arms race". "People forget," he said. "He was an enemy, he had invaded countries everybody thought he had weapons of mass destruction, that he had affiliations, not with those who killed Americans on 9/11 but that he had affiliations with terrorist networks. And the biggest danger facing the free world was the confluence of haters and weapons of mass destruction."

Do we now blame Obama for Afghanistan and Iraq? Do we blame obama for ISIS? No. it's still "Bush's fault." Ridiculous.

Obama never takes the blame for anything his fault. In fact, for 6 years, everything was Bush's fault, but he sure liked to take credit for the good things even if that was "Bush's fault," too. LOL

No one is denying intel failure. But he made poor choices based on that intel, way before Obama and - he needs to take responsibility for that - JS

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Osama bin Laden, who was in Afghanistan the entire time, was responsible for 9/11 (and having tried to bomb the WTC once before), not Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and these choices were made way before Obama.

No one is saying Obama helped the situation, by any means, but I'm not sure who could help it, at this point. They don't hate us because we're Christian, they hate us because we took sides with Israel over them and demonized them to begin with, they figured they'd make honest people of us (the exception being ISIS who has no point, they're just psychopaths).

But what we are not going to do is pretend along with the righties that Obama CAUSED this situation OR the economic problems we have, to begin with.

We are also not going to pretend along with the right that it makes any sense whatsoever to attack countries if we truly believe they have weapons of mass destruction, especially if they are not housing the terrorist responsible for 9/11, Osama bin Laden.

Hillary said she made a mistake and was wrong just for voting for the Iraq war, why can't Bush?

Because that would lead to a full investigation of his actions and possible criminal charges, that's why.

So let the new Republican candidates have to answer for it, just so long as #1 Bush son is bailed out of trouble again.

That's your modern Republican party now, ladies and gentlemen.

Once noble creatures and true freedom fighters, it's now all about manipulating voters to protect the Bush legacy from the consequences of their actions (to include daddy's nasty dealings in Chile, Panama and Nicaragua while Director of the CIA and as president). Aren't y'all proud?

Funny how Obama got a pass for blaming everyone - Truthhurts

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because of his poor choices, but Bush never gets a pass for an Intel failure? Of course not!

Liberal progressives and those who hate the Republican party have pounded fictional stories into anyone gullible to believe their "Messiah." (as some have called him back in 2007-08 and there's no denying that!)

King Farouk Obama never admits his failures - Would take Obama unti l2053

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just to give us the short list.

The attempts to make Obama seem like a - "scary mideastern terrorist" by -

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throwing in mideastern names is totally laughable. And also totally sad, because that's the best the right can come up with when it comes to hurling insults. I guess they think if they do it often enough, someone will actually care.

Exactly right! Obama a spineless, weak, empty suit - with no leadership skills. DemAlinsky's

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without ability to reasonably discern this goof's shortcomings and continue to bow to this idiot.

But heh, let's devote months to tearing up Romney about a "haircut" that never took place...the lefties on this board still bring that up years later. Shows you how twisted Dem's thought process (I'm being generous - they really have no thought process) is.

Is everything always or never, all good or all bad, black or white, and either/or? - the definition of "splitting" - Julia Su

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I don't give Obama a free pass personally, I can agree with Obama on some things, disagree with him on others. In fact, I have been very clear on what I don't agree with Obama over, to include the AFTA post the ID I'm replying to has commented under.

Though I agree with Bush on immigration and agreed with his initial actions in Afghanistan, I find less to agree with about Bush, and find his decision to send thousands of young American boys to their deaths in Iraq(over WMD he's admitted himself were not there) the second most morally reprehensible presidential decision in history (with Lyndon Johnson being first, then Bush, then Andrew Johnson, Andrew Jackson and Warren G. Harding and Richard M. Nixon).

That's people from both parties - how's that for fair, bipartisan opinion?

We all sometimes just don't like people, for logical reasons or not, but most people are able to balance the good and bad they know exists in everyone.

And some people can't. Ever heard of "splitting" in psychology?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29

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Wiki Definition:

Splitting (also called black and white thinking or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole.

It is a common defence mechanism used by many people. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground.)
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The rest of the Wiki article can be read for yourselves, but it says that though it is a human defense mechanism during times of stress, there are 2 specific personality disorders that use it on a regular, daily basis - they are literally incapable of being able to "balance" the good and bad in things into a cohesive whole - everything is either all good or all bad, always and never, black or white.

I'm not saying anyone here has one of these disorders, but it is curious how on display that personality flaw is on a regular basis by a few here.

Abstract thinking ain't a Republican trait. - Its all concrete, white-or-black. No in-between.

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That lack of flexibility is probably why they're trying so hard to take us all back to the Dark Ages. It was the only time any of those dried-up old prunes felt comfortable.

The "intelligence failure" was intentional lies to sell the war the neocons wanted. - sm

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Conservatives don't want to face the facts that the Bush Administration walked into the White House looking for a way to go to war in Iraq on day 1. Bush says "people forget." LOL. He better be glad they forget. People have selective memories, and they believe what it is they want to believe. The GOP is full of people with selective memories.

Yeah, Bush was great! Who really cares if his administration was looking for a way to invade Iraq from day 1? Who cares if the Bush administration lied the country into an unnecessary war that killed 4,000+ American soldiers and 500,000 Iraqis and strengthened Islamic radicalism around the globe? How about Solyndra -- now there's a scandal! And don't forget the 4 Americans at Benghazi! It's only a high crime when embassy personnel get killed on a Democrat's watch. If half a million people die while Bush is president and there are 13 embassy attacks on his watch, it's no big deal at all because bigotry and Hillary.

There's a reason people will always blame Hitler for the atrocities of World War II, and there's a reason people will always blame the Bush Administration for lying us into Iraq: It's their handiwork.

Thank you once again for posting this truth. - sm

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You and others have posted about this many times and the libs still pretend they don't know the truth and try to bait the conservatives. They know the truth. They just don't want to admit that they know it. I'm not fooled by them.

Posting fiction over and over will not magically turn it into a fact. - sm

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There were no WMDs found during and after Iraq. There were none found by the weapons inspectors before the U.S. invasion, and there were none found while we were in there. There were NONE.

If there actually were some WMD found, the Bush Administration would have announced that fact to high heaven and used it to absolve themselves for the war in Iraq. If there actually REALLY were WMD found -- not just Internet right-wing chat room, blogs, and propaganda rumors and innuendo -- don't you think that the GOP candidates would be using that information to justify the very expensive and wrong decision to go into Iraq?

If a candidate said something along the lines of the right-wing propaganda machine that there actually were WMD, they'd be laughed out of this century and considered bat crap crazy and not fit to be president. Articles would be written about what was actually found in Iraq and the Reagan Administration arming Iraq against Iran and the Reagan Administration illegally arming Iran against Iraq without the approval of Congress, "Iran Contra," and "Arms for Hostages" and the whole sordid past.

AGAIN: If there were WMD, they'd have trumpeted it to the mountaintops and taken pictures and blasted them all over television and patted themselves on the back for "saving the world" from Saddam Hussein. The fact that no one is claiming they found WMD either then or now (and these are guys that know exactly what was found, mind you) should be a huge clue to people: NO WMDs WERE EVER FOUND.

They did find chemical weapons, including warheads and shells containing mustard gas and sarin. Why were these not offered up as proof of WMD with the Bush Administration patting themselves on the back for being manly men that saved the world? Because those were weapons we already knew about since we were the ones who gave them to Iraq. Those were weapons programs we knew about because they were done with our blessing and our help. Remember, people, the United States at one point armed Iraq in their war against Iran.

Remember Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein's hand? The Reagan Administration sent Rumsfeld to pledge our support to Iraq against Iran (see video directly below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw

What they found in Iraq were remnants of old weapons programs that were made with United States support during Iraq's war with Iran. American soldiers in Iraq were finding these old weapons with nerve gas and getting sick and injured by our own old warheads. No nuclear program or nuclear warheads were found, just the old nerve gas and chemical weapons we helped Iraq develop, our old weapons. Why would the United States want to advertise these old weapons being found and call them WMD? Those were our old weapons that we were finding there, and our troops were being injured by what we supplied Iraq during the Reagan Administration. Can you imagine the headlines? No nuclear warheads and no nuclear program whatsoever found in Iraq, our soldiers are being injured by those old weapons we supplied to Iraq to fight Iran, you know, the same Reagan Administration that also armed Iran against Iraq.

Bush himself admitted there were no WMD found in Iraq. What part of this admission by Bush that no WMD were found is confusing? (see link below)

If there were WMD, believe me, the Bush Administration and the GOP candidates would be patting themselves on the back and NOT now saying the Iraq war was a 3 trillion dollar mistake. If there were actually WMD found, they'd have been telling you then and they'd be telling you now that WMD were found. They can't tell you that because none were found. Only an idiot candidate would claim there were WMD when there were, in fact, NONE ever found.

There are lots of conspiracy theories that the right-wing fringe believe about where the "weapons" are, but those are just more bat crap crazy Internet rumors and conspiracy theories that you also won't hear any of the candidates talk about unless they want to be considered bat crap crazy too and not fit to lead the country. Being able to separate fact from Internet crazy and right-wing propaganda utter crazy will separate the right-wing nut candidates from the viable candidates.

Why many Americans hold false beliefs about WMDs in Iraq and Obama's birth place (2 videos) - sm

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January 7, 2015, Christian Science Monitor (see link below)

Some 61 percent of American voters surveyed believe in at least one political conspiracy theory, according to a Fairleigh Dickinson University poll. Why are conspiracy theories attractive?

Although it has been proven false, more than four in ten Americans – and more than half of Republicans – still believe that the US found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

After six years in office and the release of his long-form birth certificate confirming his Hawaii birth, one third of Republicans continue to believe President Barack Obama was born outside the US.

And more than one in five non-white Americans think the Secret Service is intentionally leaving President Obama unprotected.

That's according to a new poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University that finds surprisingly high levels of belief in conspiracy theories and other false beliefs about politics. According to the poll, Republicans and Fox News viewers are more likely to hold false beliefs about topics like the President and the Iraq war.

"Our leaders in Washington can’t seem to agree on much," Dan Cassino, a professor of political science and the director of experimental research for the poll, said in the FDU survey report. "But when the public can't even agree on basic facts about politics, maybe we shouldn't be surprised."

According to the poll, the most prevalent misconception appeared to be about Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs), with 42 percent of Americans overall stating that they believed US forces found WMDs in Iraq, part of the (false) justification for the invasion. That number jumped to 51 percent among Republicans. Even a solid 32 percent of Democrats believed that WMDs were found.

Why? Part of the confusion may come from reports, including a recent article by the New York Times, that thousands of individual chemical weapons shells (manufactured prior to 1991), and related items have been found in Iraq, mostly thought to be vestiges of a WMD program shut down after the U.S.-led invasion in 1991. But unlike the justification given by the Bush administration for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, there was no active WMD program in Iraq at the time.

But there's another reason so many people believe something that has been definitively proven false. They want to.

"People who think we did the right thing in invading Iraq seem to be revising their memories to retroactively justify the invasion," said Mr. Cassino. "This sort of motivated reasoning is pretty common: when people want to believe something, they'll twist the facts to fit it."

Though "birther" campaign has settled since its peak several years ago, 19 percent of Americans, and a full 34 percent of Republicans, still think President Obama is not legally a citizen of the United States.

Who is likely to believe in conspiracy theories is as interesting as the theories themselves.

First, a lot of us do: a full 63 percent of registered American voters believe in at least one political conspiracy theory, according to a recent poll conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University.

Perhaps not surprisingly, political preference and media choice shapes our beliefs on topics like the President and the Iraq war. According to the FDU survey, Republicans and Fox News viewers are more likely to endorse conspiracies like "birtherism" and WMDs in Iraq. Democrats (especially African-American voters) are more likely than Republicans to believe that the recent lapses on the part of the Secret Service are part of an intentional plot to leave the president unprotected.

While the Fairleigh Dickenson survey was primarily focused on conspiracy theories embraced by conservatives, a Washington Post blog by social research scientists found that both liberals and conservatives are equally prone to believe such theories.

Higher levels of political knowledge also matter. Those with more political knowledge were less likely to believe in conspiracies, the survey found. It asked respondents three questions to test political knowledge. Those who answered all questions correctly were less likely to believe conspiracies while those who answered incorrectly were far more likely to believe them.

Why do people believe in conspiracy theories?

It turns out there's also a strong correlation between belief in conspiracy theories, lower levels of education, and higher levels of cynicism with the world and politics.

And the Internet has only served to sustain such false beliefs, with plenty of similar-minded users airing similar beliefs in blogs and online forums.

But perhaps most importantly, conspiracy theories appear to be a way of asserting control in a world of relative uncertainty and powerlessness.

"Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward," writes the New York Times in a 2013 article on the topic, "Why rational people buy into conspiracy theories."

As such, conspiracy theories are "an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now."

In other words, in a world of turmoil and uncertainty, it's comforting to have reasons and answers, even if they are wrong.

The poster said that Bush should admit he was wrong. - Bush hasn't and probably never will.

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I regret the "intelligence failure in Iraq" is not remotely the same thing as admitting you were wrong.

What has Bush said about it?

Anyone?

Here, let me refresh your memory at link below.

PSSST: She's afraid. - sm

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She knows there are no answers to all her lies and scandals and deceit.

However, what difference at this point does it make?

P.S. Like most progressives/liberals, she thinks - sm

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if she ignores things long enough, they will go away. LOL

Like conservatives have ignored US wage - disparity, education & infrastructure?

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Same old same old lies. No proof, no back; - therefore, post not credible

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Try actually reading what the US Labor Dept has published about the smoke and mirrors wage disparity.

P.S. News Flash...King Farouk Obama did away with the "equality" opportunities in Washing DC for the poor.

Crack a book!

Same old, same old right wing reply, too. - nmsg

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If you need proof, just open your front door - and take a look around. (sm)

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Is anyone in your neighborhood doing as well financially as those in the "upper" class? Are their kids getting as good of an education as kids in other countries in Europe, Canada or Scandinavia? How many potholes on the streets of your town? What about our country's rusting, ever-more-dangerous bridges, overpasses and railroad tracks?

Turn on the TV (ANY channel), pick up any newspaper, or talk to just about any person, and they'll all say the same thing... it's all falling apart. But the GOP just avert their eyes and only worry about how much money they can rake in on a daily basis.

If you need proof Obama screwing up, firset take off your - party glasses and open your door

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and look around your neighborhood.

Obama has screwed up every single thing he has touched. NOTHING is better with Obama. Wages dropped, on average $4500, on Obama watch. More hate (just read this board).

But the DemAlinsky's just avert their eyes and worry about what lies they can spin on a daily basis. Truth.

All the things you mention started long before - Obama, they started with Bush.

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No proof, only opinion. Therefore, not credible - ---

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^ Same old nswer for every question. - Therefore, not credible.

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You mean the old-fashioned steamer trunk?. Even the Dems are - Truthhurts

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getting nervous because she refuses to allow interviews or answer reporter's questions. She's thinking the reporters will get tired of asking and run after someone on the Republican side to interview.

News flash! If she's nominated, she'll HAVE to answer questions in a debate against the Republican nominee and if she keeps frustrating the reporters and their major TV stations, they might not take kindly to it and really hammer her in the debate.

I'm a Demalinsky, and although Hillary would - not be my first choice of a - sm

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candidate (she's too Republican-esque (corporate) for my taste), given the menagerie the Pubalinskys are running, I'll still vote for Hillary because even the worst Democrat candidate is better than the best Republican candidate.

Of course, that's what's wrong with our entire election system. All anyone ever runs are corporate puppets, and then the public gets to make a "choice".

You mean the ones under her eyes or at her hips? I have a (sm) - LM

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question for her. If you knew then what you know now, would you have married Bill? LOL

I do hope conservatives will please keep talking. - sm

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I had occasion to meet my twin sister's mother-in-law yesterday. OMG, she is the definition of hypocrite. This is an old woman who weighs about 350+ pounds, I would guess, and is about 70 years old (again, a guess) with a few teeth left in her rotting mouth. She was sitting in my chair, by my pool, chain smoking cigarettes (gag) and knocking back my nice aged whiskey by the glassful and just yammering away and cackling about Hillary Clinton's body. Like a good host, I ignored it, shaking my head. Sorry sis, she is not welcome at my house ever again.

I do, however, hope conservatives keep up the personal attacks against Hillary while they ignore the plentiful excess, girth, sloth, rolls, bags, and utter hypocrisy in their own party.

It is these types of personal attacks and disdain for others that have people fleeing in the other direction away from the GOP.

Perhaps they don't own a mirror? - JS

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But that's okay, that's what we're for - we're more than happy to turn ours towards them so they can see themselves better:)

What amazes me is the things like this aren't said about any of the male candidates running, because physical appearance has nothing to do with ability to lead.

If it did, I'd WANT to gain saddlebags then, because it apparently comes with being hyper-intelligent and ability to lead others well, if Hillary is any indication.

I'm not completely sold on her still, but with every comment I read from the right, it actually pushes me towards her, just to get away from being associated with that type of mentality lol

We know DemAlinsky's have mirrors; refuse to use them - Cannot see through their party glasses

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On top of that, I would run from any DemAlinsky "just to get away from being associated with that type of mentality lol". Sorry lot, the DemAlinsky's - I am sure they will hold a place for you.

Are Republicans capable of original thought and their own jokes? - let's see it. If not. then...(JS)

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...at least try not to screw up our jokes beyond all recognition to something that doesn't even remotely resemble human thought process.

Reading this board, apparently they aren't. - Reading further, such as - sm

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printed, broadcast and online media, they don't seem to be doing any better there, in terms of originality, either. And they think that stale dogma is going to win them the desk in the Oval Office?

What I have found amusing is that it has - been Fox News tripping them up

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Fox is just trying to help sort out the Republican field and cannot get a straight answer. It isn't that difficult a question, just answer it.

I'm sure they will get to Hillary, or in the case of Fox, perhaps not, not sure they will allow her to be interviewed by Fox.

But, for right now, it is primary season that most are concerned with, and with this large field, they have to start early and work hard.

I just don't get the hullabaloo about this.... - hindsight is 20/20

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It seems like no matter what these guys say -the news media isn't satisfied....is it that big of an issue? Are there not more important questions to ask the candidates than what would you have done then if you knew what you know now....seriously - wouldn't we all love to go back and do something different now - it was not their decision to make at the time so why should they have to answer for it - the congress at the time made the decision - maybe this is where the famous quote would be more suitable - at this point, what difference does it make?"

Vain attempt of DemAlisnky's to deflect attention - from Hildabeast and the Clinton Crime Foundation

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Gotta feel sorry that's all Progs have. Truth.

LOL - LOL

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You really do, to borrow your phrase, "gotta feel sorry" that no one can post an Original Post about anything on this board without it being accused as some kind of conspiracy to deflect from something else.

So based on this conspiracy theory, I guess that every original post that Cons post is the vain attempts by the ConservAlinskys to deflect attention from 25 or so different stupid candidates and the stupid things they are saying?

Ummmm, no, labelling every post as deflection would not be considered political debate.

"Gotta feel sorry" that's all Cons have. Real truth.

Ummm...it is nothting more than a deflection. - Ummm...DemAlinsky's label

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everything they refuse to address as deflection. Ummmm, yeah....the DemAlinsky's are a sad bunch. The Absolute Truth.

I'm satisfied after a page of discussion - Rubio must not be a contender

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