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Puerto Rico - 51st State??

Posted: Apr 29, 2010

Puerto Rico – 51st State? Congress Scrambling to Make it So

by Kristinn Taylor and Andrea Shea King

Last night (Tuesday) on his TV show, Glenn Beck dropped another bombshell — on Thursday, Congress will take up a bill to make Puerto Rico a state. Why is our Congress doing this now? Secretly? Quickly? If it hadn’t been for one of Beck’s “Refounders” (a Congressional insider), would we even know about this? Why is this important to you and me?

Well, the word is out, and my local 9-12/Tea party organization sent this out this morning. First thing to hit my mailbox, in fact…

There is a bill to make Puerto Rico a state. Again, they are trying to pull one over on us and on Puerto Ricans, who have consistently said they do not want to become a state. Read below for more information (from Eagle Forum). This was also discussed by Rep Tom Price on a conference call yesterday.

Please consider this:

* The U.S. would transform, overnight, into a bilingual nation. At least half of Puerto Ricans do not speak English, the language of our U.S. Constitution and founding documents. The Washington Times article, “Puerto Rican statehood,” analyzes all the implications of adding a foreign language-speaking state to the Union.

* It would bring immediate demands for massive federal spending. The average income of Puerto Ricans is less than half that of our poorest state, and infrastructure and the environment are far below American standards. Puerto Rico has a population with a median national income of $17,741, nearly a third of that for the U.S.

* Puerto Rico is already a democracy. Despite the bill’s deceptive title, Puerto Rico already has an elected government and exists as a self-governed commonwealth of the U.S.

* Statehood would give Puerto Rico more congressional representation than 25 of our 50 states! It would inevitably give Democrats two additional U.S. Senators and 6 to 8 additional Members of the House.

H.R. 2499 is stealth legislation designed to lead to the admission of Spanish-speaking Puerto Rico as the 51st state, thereby making us a de facto bilingual nation, like Canada. The U.S. Congress should not be forcing Puerto Ricans to vote on statehood, especially since the Puerto Rican people have rejected statehood three times since 1991!

No Member of Congress who describes himself as a limited government, fiscal conservative should be casting a YEA vote for H.R. 2499, as Puerto Rican statehood would cause an immediate increase in federal expenditures, particularly for taxpayer-funded welfare state services.

Sponsored by Puerto Rican delegate Pedro Pierluisi (D), the Puerto Rico Democracy Act (H.R. 2499) – which has reared its ugly head a number of times over the past few congresses but has yet to have any success – would require Puerto Ricans to hold a national referendum to decide if they want Puerto Rico to remain a self-governing U.S. commonwealth, or become the 51st state.

The referendum would be set up as two plebiscites which would effectively deceive Puerto Ricans into voting for statehood. In the first round of votes, the Puerto Rican people would be given the choice between remaining a U.S. territory and “pursuing a different political status.” If the majority votes to maintain the status quo, this bill would require that Puerto Rico vote on this same issue every eight years.

If the majority votes for “different status,” a second round of votes would be held where Puerto Ricans would choose either statehood or independence-the status quo of “U.S. territory” would not even be an option! In other words, the two ballots would be rigged to favor the outcome of statehood, overriding the wishes of Americans and Puerto Ricans who want to maintain the current commonwealth status.

* Contact your US congressmen AND
* Take quick action here: http://www.capwiz.com/eagleforum/issues/alert/?alertid=14966151&type=CO

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Please see message. - Nikki

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From http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2010/04/29/puerto-rico-vote/?cxntfid=blogs_jamie_dupree_washington_insider

"Currently, Puerto Rico has "commonwealth" status. Those living there are American citizens, but they do not pay federal income taxes, though they are hit with federal payroll taxes for Social Security. Like Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico has a non-voting delegate in the U.S. House."

I tried to find other sources for this issue but only came up with places like "Free Republic," "Well Regulated Militias" and other right-wing sites.

They are already American citizens but don't pay any federal income taxes. That would be a source of revenue that this country needs.

Why are you against this?

She against this because Glenn Beck said so. - Really?

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And we all know that he is a great prophet (sheesh). Yea, he got this from one of his "congressional insiders". Too funny!

This has been going on since the 1800s with the introduction of the Monroe Doctrine. Nothing new, no "secret" -- this comes up every few years, yet I guess Glans Schmuck is beginning to run out of loony ideas, so he's stirring the pot again, probably because his viewers are dropping like flies. LOL

I found this interesting article. You'd think the Regressives would not think this is a bad idea, since they would probably something to gain politically out of this, but bottom line, doesn't sound like the Puerto Rican people don't want this, so there you go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-garcia/puerto-rico--the-next-red_b_245886.html

Thanks for posting this! (sm) - Nikki

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I wonder if they would change to Democrat, given all the blatant hatred towards Latinos, the new Arizona "show me your papers" law, etc.

I think if I were a Puerto Rican resident, I'd just like to keep things the way they are and continue NOT being a state in this "union" (no pun).

For that matter, just a little typo would more clearly describe the "United States" - "Untied States" is what we're becoming.

Again, thanks for posting this. It certainly gives an important further perspective to the original post!

This is just one more campaign promise - Really?

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that the President is keeping: allowing Puerto Rico to decide for themselves, but it does seems the majority do not want this.

This original post was put up for no other reason than to sensationalize and rile people's fears and anger about something that has been going on for a hundred years.

I think it's wonderful that the President is determined for the US to finally allow the people of Puerto Rico to decide what's best for themselves, and I really don't understand the big drama being made over this.

Big drama? In a word, "Racism" (sm) - Nikki

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Just look all over this board and see the increasing racism (no pun intended) written here. I also think there's an element of fear of the "white man" being on his way out as the race majority, and we all know that white is the best and anything other than white is inferior (pun INTENDED).

I agree with you about President Obama giving them the option to decide what's best for themselves, but I still can't/won't understand WHY they would WANT any part of the United States.

It would be nice if they could be the 51st state if they want to, if for no other reason than the revenue that would be generated from income taxes, but given the present atmosphere here, I wouldn't want any part of it if I were Puerto Rican.

By the way, every Puerto Rican I know who lives in this country is a hard-working, tax-paying bilingual person with particularly high family values. Just my personal experience here.

Nikki, better be careful about "assuming" the racist - Really?

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attitude on here. Look at the firestorm I caused by posting an article regarding the state of our current society. LOL Get ready for the onslaught!!

I don't believe anything will come of this PR state thing. It seems that the majority of the Puerto Rican people do not want this to happen. Like you said, for good reason, what with all the anti-Latino attitude arising. People need to just face the fact that "whites" are minority. That's a fact, just like it is in the rest of the world. Really don't understand the big "fear". These people really need to bring themselves into the real world and out of the 18th century!

Oh, I already know that! LOL! (sm) - Nikki

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I usually don't ascribe things to racism, however, the hateful comments on this board can lead to no other conclusion, IMHO. I know I'll get blasted by the "no pun intended" crowd, and I couldn't care less. Their comments on this board says it all.

I agree. Puerto Ricans have all the benefits and...sm - oldtimer

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protections of any U.S. citizen yet do not have to pay federal income taxes. They have representation in Congress but no vote but their own independent government. I can't see where they would have much to gain by becoming a state.

I have been to Puerto Rico several times, most recently this past January. Everyone does speak Spanish but I never had any problem communicating in English. As is the case most anywhere in the world, any effort to speak to them in their native tongue is always appreciated.

I would welcome Puerto Rico as the 51st state but I suspect they will vote no.

Great post, oldtimer. I couldn't agree more. (nm) - Nikki

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I hope they vote no-for their own sake. - i would welcome

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them with open arms, but as several of you have pointed out, it would not be in their best interests to do so. They would be smart to run as far away as possible the way things are.

I agree. (nm) - Nikki

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NM

PR Bill - MTnCA

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"Liberal Congressman Agrees With Glenn Beck on Toxicity of Stealth Puerto Rico Status Bill

By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
Thu, 04/29/2010 - 12:16 ET

Shhh!

Don't tell anybody but Congress is scheduled to vote today on H.R. 2499, a bill that could end up paving the way to Puerto Rican statehood, that is being presented with such incredible stealth that it has been given almost no coverage in the mainstream media. In fact, about the only person in the media shining a light on this bill until recently has been Glenn Beck. Liberals can be expected to write off Beck's criticisms of H.R. 2499 as just another example of "right-wing kookery." Frances Martel of Mediaite has already mocked Beck for his opposition to this bill.

However, liberals will have a hard time writing off similar criticisms of the stealth Puerto Rico status bill being made by liberal Democrat Luis Gutierrez of Illinois who is of Puerto Rican descent. While reading Guiterrez slamming H.R. 249 in his Huffington Post blog, you sometimes have to slap yourself as a reminder that these criticisms are not coming from a conservative Republican...or Glenn Beck:

H.R. 2499, the Puerto Rico statehood bill was brought to the House this week after a surprise announcement last Thursday. Debate on this bill has been severely limited by the way Democratic Leaders are managing the process. Democratic Puerto Rican Members of Congress are being shut out of the process and will be severely limited in their ability to debate the bill and offer amendments. Under the current Democratic Leadership, there will be less opportunity for Members and for the people of Puerto Rico to gain a better understanding of the bill.

Remember, this is Congressman Luis Guitierrez writing, not Glenn Beck. And from here, his criticisms of the Puerto Rico status bill becomes even harsher:

In my opinion, this bill is the political equivalent of a shady Goldman Sachs derivative: It's secretive. It lacks transparency. It's likely to blow up down the road and cause systemic risk to our democracy. And those who put this political derivative together don't really tell you what this is really about and will play dumb when it explodes.

I get more time to debate renaming a Post Office than I will get to debate a bill that could make Puerto Rico the fifty-first state.

Not Glenn Beck! Not Glenn Beck! Just thought I would have to remind you again. And now a shocker from Guiterrez who actually praises (and implicity slams Nancy Pelosi) former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich for his handling of another Puerto Rico status bill:

When a similar Puerto Rico bill came up under Speaker Newt Gingrich's Republican controlled Congress a decade ago, it was the product of lengthy and thorough hearings and an open and fair process. Now, under Democratic Leadership, we get one hearing, no forewarning, no companion Senate bill, and a debate only a few seconds longer than a NASCAR pit-stop.

Then, I was given time to offer seven amendments. Then I was able to clarify the bill for the Puerto Rican people. Then, each of my seven amendments got 30 minutes of floor time for debate. Flash forward to now. Now a Democratic Majority Congress is only allowing me two of the 16 amendments I offered in the Rules Committee on Wednesday. Now I only have 10 minutes to debate each one.

Then was then this is now.

This means Speaker Gingrich, not a Speaker I voted for, not MY Speaker, allowed me 210 minutes of debate on my amendments alone, and under Democratic Leadership I get two amendments at ten-minutes each.

What's the rush? Something is wrong with this picture. It just does not add up.

Pinch yourself again to remind yourself that you are not reading Glenn Beck:

It is designed to craft an artificial majority for statehood where none exists now. Every time the people of Puerto Rico have been consulted on this issue through a plebiscite they've said NO to Statehood. NO to Statehood in 1967. NO to Statehood in 1993. NO to Statehood in 1998. This should be called the "Don't you dare say NO to Statehood Bill".

Of course, Gutierrez has come out firmly against H.R. 2499:

For the first time I can remember, I am planning to vote against the rule crafted by my party to govern the floor debate of this bill (H.R. 2499). It is a vote I did not expect to have to cast and is a deep disappointment. But I'm left with no choice.

So, Luis, how is that "transparency" that President Obama promised working out for you?"

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2010/04/29/liberal-congressman-agrees-glenn-beck-toxicity-stealth-puerto-rico-sta#ixzz0mVgykvGs

Same old same old. As you have noted, this subject...sm - oldtimer

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has come up for a vote by the people approximately once a generation. So far, each time the people have voted no. It is not complicated, do you want to be a state and accept all the responsibilities and benefits that come with statehood? The people of Puerto Rico will vote and the majority rule. Congress just has to formally call for a vote.

And another article: - Really?

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Puerto Rico Becoming 51st State? Vote in Congress tomorrow.

The United States has controlled Puerto Rico for 110 years, yet American lawmakers have never bothered to ask Puerto Ricans what they want to do about their future. But a bill currently in Congress would do just that, by conducting a two-part referendum on the island to help determine if it should become the 51st state.

If Congress gives the okay, the first plebiscite would ask Puerto Ricans (those living on the island or those born there but now living in the U.S.) whether they would like to change their political status. If a majority says yes, then a second plebiscite would be held offering three options: independence, independence with a special association with the United States (commonwealth) or statehood.
The U.S. took control of Puerto Rico after the Spanish-American War in 1898, and granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship in 1917. Although the island does have a representative in Congress, that official has no voting power, and Puerto Ricans are not allowed to vote in American presidential elections and they pay no federal income taxes.
Pedro Pierluisi, Puerto Ricoâ��s congressional representative, argues that a congressionally ordered referendum would have more weight than past plebiscites and force Washington to take action on the islandâ��s status. Previous local elections that asked Puerto Ricans what they want to do about their islandâ��s status have resulted in deadlocks between those who favor statehood and those wanting commonwealth status. Only a small percentage has expressed interest in complete independence.
The 2008 Republican Party platform supported statehood for Puerto Rico, if its citizens voted for the option. The Democratic Party platform was more vague, but acknowledged the right of Puerto Rican self-determination. If Puerto Rico does become the 51st state, it would rank 27th in population between Kentucky and Oregon.

*This bill is only to let the citizens of Puerto Rico DECIDE for themselves if they want statehood. Wonder if the Regressives have had an issue with these people fighting our wars for us since WWI? Highly doubt it . . .

Thanks, again! (sm) - Nikki

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Another excellent article.

As far as your comment at the end, I'm sure those Regressives have no issue with sending others to fight their wars. That way, their own privileged children don't have to.

As I said, I can't figure out WHY they would want to be a state in THIS country, with its obvious hatred and profiling aimed at Latinos.

Possibly because - sm

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if they are citizens and have to pay taxes, they may then be entitled to govt assist programs and let's face it....just like amnesty....yes they will be paying taxes but the amount of money going out in govt assistance will be way higher than the amount of money coming back in the form of taxes. We cannot afford it.

Funny how you guys always throw up GB and talk about how delusional he is and yet you believe this current administration. If this wasn't such a serious situation for our country, I'd laugh.

Racist are we? nm - oldtimer

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How in the world could you conclude that - sm

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I am racist from what I said? There was nothing racist about that. How can some of you not see the fact that our country is BROKE? Our government continues to spend more and more money and they want to put forth more govt assisted programs and we have no money to pay for it. Who is going to take care of these illegals when we don't have the money to help out our own citizens who need welfare, food stamps, etc. We gonna borrow more from China?

How am I racist? Because I merely disagree with Obama's administration? Why...because I'm white and must therefore instantly hate a black man in the WH? By your standards any black man who disgreed with Bush was racist too right?

Am I racist because I think illegal aliens are doing something...I don't know....ILLEGAL!!!

I am so racist that at the convenience store last night, I held the door open for a black man....can you believe it?

This is all about money being spent that we don't have. The more people we give amnesty to or having Puerto Ricans start paying taxes....yes...I will agree that is money coming into our country....but it still will not cover the amount of money that will go out in govt assistance and we CANNOT afford that. There is nothing racist about that statement. I don't want my country to go under and if we keep spending like we are....we won't be able to give govt assistance to anyone and that includes people of all races who are citizens and might need assistance. So once again...how am I racist?

They ARE US citizens. They are just living in...sm - oldtimer

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a US territory instead of a state. They may come and go to and from the mainland US, live there if they wish without a permit or any other requiremets. They do not pay any federal taxes. Mostly, they are hard working, proud, just as intelligent as anyone else, and probably less likely to be "on the dole" than anyone in the other 50 states. I think they would be an excellent addition. Too bad they don't think so too. You apparently assume that PR people are looking for a handout based on some stereotype. That is what is racist.

Thank you, oldtimer. (sm) - Nikki

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Your description of these people matches my own life experiences with the ones I know. They are fiercely family first, hard workers and would contribute to the overall goodness in this country.

However, I doubt we have given them any good reason to WANT to be a state, given the obvious Latino hatred that is happening across the USA.

I would welcome them with open arms, but at the same time, I think they deserve much more respect than what they're going to get here in the "land of the free."

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