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Lawyers weighing in--Logan Act--yes, Pubs
Posted: Mar 10, 2015
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Lawyers weighing in, Logan Act - Republican did not - break the law
[ In Reply To ..]Funny how OP only list only lower-wing extremists.
I say throw the weight of the law at them - this is ridiculous
[ In Reply To ..]They just keep getting bolder and doing stupid and dangerous things.
This Tom Cotton jerk met with defense contractors today, hoping no doubt to capitalize on the war he is trying to start.
If there was ever a time for the White House to step up and clamp down on this horrible nasty tail wagging the Republican party and now trying to lead the country into war it is now, before it gets any worse.
If they are doing nothing illegal, what have they to worry about? I for one would love to see them prosecuted for this, or at the very least severely sanctioned so that they think twice being making another dumb move.
Only tail waggers are Democrats - anonie
[ In Reply To ..]Well when you all wake up and see what Mr. O and his cohorts have done to our country eventually when it hits you in the pocketbook or some other way, I hate to be you. It will feel like a punch in the gut and well, how could they do this to all of us who voted them in.
Heaven forbid we have to find out from a nuclear attack from N. Korea or soon from Iran.
It has already hit me in the pocketbook really hard. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The stock market was around 7,950 when Obama took office, and now it stands 10,000 points higher in the 18,000 range. Wages are on the rise, and conservatives continue to act as though there's no recovery. LOL. Conservatives have done everything they can to thwart Obama, and things are still slowly improving; how unfortunate for them that their plan to pin the Bush fiasco on him has only fooled some. Pathetic the way conservatives can't agree on anything amongst themselves and fight each other like filthy animals, but it's sure fun to watch them implode. So many in the far right abhor their own candidates.
I have made a bleeding fortune off my stock portfolio, and I really don't care to hear false explanations about why. I know exactly how the stock market works, having made a fortune in it during both the Clinton and Obama administrations while watching it tank during the George W. Bush years.
The perpetual persecution complex and whiny victimization narrative playing 24/7/365 on right-wing media is driving much of the anger and fear of the right-wing machine, but that's how propaganda actually works. I would hate to be one of them. Turning off the false noise that passes for news would do them all a lot of good.
I'm truly tired of the left wing liberal progressives and communists - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]who spew stupid remarks like the one news article who called the 47 senators treasonous without even knowing the law. It's disgusting articles like this that make me sick.
I'll take live hearings and meetings of Congress any day over most of the so-called idiotic "journalists," of which Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Al Sharpton, and the rest of that crew at MSNBC because they have NO credentials that prove they should be respected.
GREAT POST - THANKS FOR BRINGING TRUTH AND - REASON TO THE BOARD!!
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who are the communists? - nm
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Every poll supports what you posted - too bad the - "filthy animals" Libs exact quote of con
[ In Reply To ..]disagreeing with her POV...conservatives are the only ones that can see what is going on. Wages are down by over $4000 annually, REAL unemployment is over 15% (but crackhead changes to formula to suit his purpose), Insurance premiums/deductibles for most have more than doubled...yet, not one Demoncrat on this board can understand the numbers. they are still in the little Obama world, drinking their Obama Kool-Aid, following the waft of smoke from the crack pipe.
Start with the Democrat law breakers first - Oh wait - you always give them a pass
[ In Reply To ..]Double standard...ummmm
Even if they did, and I'm not saying they did - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Since it's only dems saying they did (they have to get some red meat in their diet), nobody is losing sleep over this. It is just a deflection off of the real problem...Hillary and her breaking the law. I find it funny when they start talking about Hillary breaking the law, all of a sudden miraculously their dream comes true and they all start accusing like rabid dogs foaming at the mouth that republicans "broke the law". That's really laughable actually. If anyone broke the law they need to stay focused on the real problem...and liar...C.
Hillary is the Cons' obsession - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The deflection here is by conservatives.
Rabid dogs avoid red meat.
Dems are eating their own - throwing Hildabeast - under every passing bus
[ In Reply To ..]Ummmm...rabid dogs may avoid red meat, guess you would know ;) Dems not so much.
^ If this were true, conservatives could move on to another subject. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]But it's not...... so they can't. Thus the obsession. :)
Do you know what's in the Logan Act? Probably not. Get ready for another long post. - Truthhurts
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You just went with MSN and, of course, they don't know the law, just spew garbage with people like Matthews.
How 'bout some FACTS?
The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. I
UNAUTHORIZED PERSONS, NOT CONGRESS and they are NOT negotiating with Iran. They sent a letter explaining how our government is SUPPOSED TO WORK.
If anyone is breaking the law through the Logan Act, it is Obama and Kerry as they did not include Congress prior to trying to form an agreement with Iran and to this day, as far as I know, still do not involve Congress. They’re going off on their merry way all by themselves. "[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it." Problem is…he DID NOT make treaty (yet) WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT of the Senate and neither of the above names are competent enough to decide what treaty should be made WITHOUT the advice of the Senate and/or military LEADERS, preferably those leaders that are not politically “active” (for want of a better word).
Tell me why this is treasonous In the letter:
“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system…. Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”
Treaties have to be ratified by Congress. Don’t you think Congress should be able to know what’s in any treaty prior to being signed by Kerry/Obama? Sen. Jean Sheheen stated today that a plan is usually written on paper in black and white and wanted to know where this plan was….of course, Kerry stated that the plan is not complete yet so …..
Make sure you take all the info in. I did my research today. You just went with MSN and, of course, they don't know the law, just spew garbage with people like Matthews, Schultz and Sharpton. How 'bout some FACTS?
"The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution."
UNAUTHORIZED PERSONS, NOT CONGRESS and they are not negotiating with Iran. They sent a letter explaining how our government is supposed to work. Tell me why the letter is treasonous. The letter states:“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system…. Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”
Treaties have to be ratified by Congress. Don’t you think Congress should be able to know what’s in any treaty prior to being signed by Kerry/Obama? Sen. Jean Shaheen stated today that a plan is usually written on paper in black and white and wanted to know where this plan was….of course, Kerry stated that the plan is not complete yet so …..
If anyone is breaking the law through the Logan Act, it is Obama and Kerry as they did not include Congress prior to trying to form an agreement with Iran and to this day, as far as I know, still do not involve Congress. They’re going off on their merry way all by themselves. "[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it." Problem is…he DID NOT make treaty (yet) WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT of the Senate and neither of the above names are competent enough to decide what treaty should be made WITHOUT the advice of the Senate and/or military LEADERS, preferably those leaders that are not politically “active” (for want of a better word).
Now, if you want to take it further, should we postumously and/or also arrest the following living Senators under the Logan Act?
PRIVATE CITIZEN JOHN KERRY mete with prespresentatives from "both delegations" of the Vietnamese in Paris in 1970, according to Kerry's own testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. HE CLEARLY VIOLATED THE LOGAN ACT that year.
Senators John Sparkman (D-AL) and George McGovern (D-SD). The two Senators visited Cuba and met with government actors there in 1975.
Senator Teddy Kennedy (D-MA). In 1983, he sent emmisaries to undermine Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. What was the message? That Teddy would help stifle Reagan’s anti-Soviet foreign policy if the Soviets would help Teddy run against Reagan in 1984. Kennedy offered to visit Moscow to “arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.”House Speaker Jim Wright (D-TX). In 1984, 10 Democrats sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the head of the military dictatorship in Nicaragua, praising Saavedra for “taking steps to open up the political process in your country.”
Senator John Kerry (D-MA). In 1985, when he traveled to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime. He wasn’t alone; Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) joined him.
Representatives Jim McDermott (D-WA), David Bonior (D-MI), and Mike Thompson (D-CA). In 2002, they visited Baghdad to play defense for Saddam Hussein’s regime.
Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). In 2002, he told Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.” That would have given Saddam Hussein fourteen months in which to prepare for war. This could definitely be considered treason, warning "the enemy."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). In April 2007, as the Bush administration pursued pressure against Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited him along with Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Nick J. Rahall II (D-WV), and Keith Ellison (D-MN).
You can lead an idiot to the truth, but you make him think. - Well Done!
[ In Reply To ..]Way to do your research. I just wish it wouldn't fall on deaf and dumb ears!
That should be "you can't make him think." - Well Done!
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Good to see conservatives researching and posting the truth! - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Quote: Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). In 2002, he told Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.”
It's heartwarming to see them FINALLY post the truth about Bush.
That is an excellent post. Well researched. I knew the republicans - Mrs. Tingles - sm
[ In Reply To ..]had not violated any laws, let alone to call treason. I fully support what they did. They are smart enough to understand the laws and follow them. Unlike the democrats. Then you have tons of articles about them breaking the law, but they were all links from radical left-wing sites who are foaming at the mouth trying to imply they did something wrong. I think the liberal media are the ones who need a lesson in laws.
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