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Posted: Feb 4, 2010

"Spend too much, tax too much and borrow too much." Clearly, Republicans believe that we can reduce our deficits by cutting spending even while cutting taxes. So what would they cut?

. . . . 2009 Republican budget put together by Rep. Paul D. Ryan, who passes as the party's idea man.

That budget would freeze domestic discretionary spending till 2014, but Obama's budget does that. It would increase spending on the military over the Obama budget, and pledge all the money needed to fight two wars (with Republicans insisting that the military get more, not less resources to do so). It would create a "trigger" on Social Security that might cut benefits for "high income earners," but not until 2036. No savings there.

So where do the cuts come from? The Republican budget would repeal any spending remaining in the recovery act and oppose any new spending for jobs. This includes repealing the "Make Work Pay" tax credit that gives most Americans a small tax break, and presumably the support for food stamps, aid to states to avoid layoffs of teachers and police, and the infrastructure construction projects that remain. But there isn't a lot of money left in the recovery plan and the president's new proposal is modest, at best.

The big cuts come from Medicare and Medicaid. Republicans now rail against any "Medicare cuts," referring to the end of billions in subsidies to enable private insurance companies to compete with Medicare. But the Republican budget would abolish Medicare for everyone under 55, replacing it with a voucher program that would be outpaced by inflation over time. The Center for Budget and Policyh Priorities estimates that means about $600 billion in cuts over 10 years would come from Medicare spending.

It would similarly end the guarantee that Medicaid provides to low income children, seniors and the disabled, turning it into a block grant to states that would create over $600 billion in cuts below projected expenditures.

But at the same time, the Ryan budget extends generous tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. It would not only extend the top end Bush tax cuts that Obama would let expire, it would lower the top rate from 35% to 25%, and eliminate taxes on capital gains which go overwhelmingly to the wealthiest Americans. The Citizens for Tax Justice estimates this constitutes another tax break of about $75,000 a year for America's millionaires (the wealthiest 1%). (While over a third of low and middle income taxpayers would pay more under the Republican plan than Obama's plan). It would cut the corporate tax rate to 25% without closing any loopholes that already enable the US corporations to pay one of the lowest effective tax rates in the industrialized world. The income tax proposals would have cost about $225 billion more in 2010 alone than the President's budget.

Full article at (and yes, it is the Huffington Post)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/the-stupid-party_b_446750.html

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More of the same - NJ

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Cut services and benefits for lower and middle class. Cut taxes for the upper class. No surprises there.

Frankly, I'm surprised they put it out there for anyone to see. Their method so far has been to use scare tactics to convince people that what Obama is doing will be more damaging to the middle class. They have been leery of putting up their ideas precisely because it will show them to be more damaging.

Don't expect much more on this. The backlash will make them withdraw once again into just saying NO to the present administration and hiding what they'd do if given half a chance.

NJ

Tell me. WHAT so far that Obama has done is - helping the middle class? huh?

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Go ahead and start the pub bashing again all you want, but it wont distract from the fact that the biggest dem in power, Obama, has so far completely failed with the stimubust, or "recovery act"..or whatever farce he wants to call it. Nothing the dems are doing is working either, so why start with your baloney at this point?

I'm assuming that you are in favor.... - JTBB

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of the republican plan since you seem quick to defend it? So, how exactly would their plan benefit you?

Please be specific.
I defended nothing. But, obviously posters like you, NJ, etc - are on the left, and for anyone to start
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on the right again when there is NOTHING to brag about regarding the progress of the current administration??.. in fact, the jobs numbers tomorrow are already predicted by the WH to be bad, stock market tanked today (which hurts our 4O1k's)..nothing to cheer about. I am an Independent, but the way, not a pub. I wish my president would concentrate on National Security first, and as far as the economy, "first do no harm". Nothing is improving and, if anything, getting worse. Why are we taught as young people to save money before you spend it, yet the Govt blows money we are borrowing from China? We cant continue on this track forever.
So, basically.... - JTBB
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what you are saying is that you really had nothing at all to say about the OP, which means your only goal was to aimlessly spout a bunch of GOP talking points for no apparent logical reason. LOL....

BTW....If you want something to be happy about, then how about trying the fact that we aren't in a full-blown depression right now. That fact in and of itself speaks volumes.
I disagree with your last paragraph JTBB - anon
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So we are suppose to be happy we are in a recession? We are supposed to be jumping up and down with joy that more people are losing their jobs and homes. That our family and friends cannot find work, have to sell their vehicles and other items, their families are doing without and there is not hopes of a future for anyone and that we are supposed to support congress spending and spending and spending on things that are not heading the country in the right direction, are not creating jobs, etc. We are supposed to be happy and joyous about that because why? That they are not calling it a "depression". I'm sorry, I do not think that "speaks volumes". The country is just a hairpin away from being in a depression. This is nothing to be happy about.
There's a big difference between... - JTBB
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a depression and a recession. In other words, it could be worse. Considering the situation the country was in when Obama took office, exactly when did you expect for the economy to get back on its feet? In a week, a month...?
But it continues to get worse, unemployment rises - or gets no better. So, I guess
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..and how pathetic that when you fail, you can simply say.. "it could be worse". Well, sure it could, but it could also be a lot better if you actually thought through these useless money-blowing plans before implementing them. They are HURTING our future. We may never get out of debt because of this waste.
Obviously you watched... - JTBB
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The Fixed News version of Obama and the pub caucus Q&A session. If you heard O's responses to those questions you would already have the answer to this question you have. He noted that before the stimulus the rate and mass effect of this economic downturn had been underestimated -- by everyone (that means both parties). With that in mind, obviously the stimulus has yet to achieve everything it was set up to do, but instead has simply slowed the rate of this economic downturn.

So, no...things aren't rosy right now, and probably won't be for a while. No, I don't expect anyone to be overjoyed at the situation right now. What I do believe is that instead of trashing Obama for an economic state that he inherited is ridiculous, and I, for one, am grateful for what he has done in that he kept the country from going straight down the shi++er.

Reality check: Just think about how much better Obama's "spending" would look if he didn't have to account for all of W's unpaid bills.
You make me laugh, but it really is not funny - Obama is putting us in more debt
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than several presidents combined. He has added to the problem by the trillions without improving a darn thing. Spin it any way you like, I am no longer buying it.
Why do you always say that? - anon - see message
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Not you personally but anyone who supports him and won't look at things objectively.

Nobody ever said at any time that they expected the economy to get back on its feet "overnight" "a week" or "a month". You can't keep peddling that line. About as bad as trying to say if you didn't vote for him you're a racist. It just never happened. If you know of people who came out and said they expected Obama to fix everything within 24 hours to a week, please let me know. I've never heard anyone say that. Yes things were bad when he took office but it is getting worse. All his promises he has not kept. It is now a year since he took office and nothing has changed - except that it is getting worse. First and foremost I do NOT blame Obama. Obama is not running the show. Obama is not making the decisions. Obama is the talking head just like Bush was. They tell the people what they are told to tell the people. It's the people behind Obama that are making it worse. And the congress of course.

But...with all that said, he did make promises which he has not kept and the economy is not getting better. Heck, it's not even staying stagnant. It's getting worse every single day it gets worse. Sure there may be a difference between a depression and a recession, but tell that to all my family and friends who are now out of work, my cousin who had to foreclose, kids who are now living with their grandparents while their parents are off trying to find work. Tell that to them. I don't think they'll care. Depression or recession...it's still bad and they are not that far off. I'm sorry but things are in a very bad state of affairs. Nothing to be rejoicing about here because it's not called a depression. When your out of work, hungry, can't provide for your kids, had your house foreclosed, car repossessed, eating in the soup kitchens, it's nothing to be rejoicing about. This administration (congress I'm talking about) needs to start working to get the economy going. Not sitting idle while they continue to live the lavish lifestyle. Buy hey it doesn't affect them so why should they care.

Thank you for this post. - anon

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I come to the board and all I see is pub bashing. It is getting very very old. But then again it distracts from what is going on in the country (the democrats running the country into the ground and destroying the country - while they don't suffer of course). It's easier to bash pubs than to come out and admit they are wrong.
agree. Also, we are about to have a huge snowstorm - here.. Bushs fault? lol.nm
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nm
I do believe you are right. My toilet is broke...it's Bush's fault - anon - LOL
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Funny how people will blame him for everything when he was not in charge and did not make any of the decisions.

Stay warm during the snowstorm. Darn that Bush. LOL
Will try to stay warm, but good to know ahead - of time WHO to blame :) nm
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nm

Things I think you missed - NJ

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Some of the bills signed into law:
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act (sponsored by Chris Dodd, D-CT)
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009 Chris Dodd again
Cash for Clunkers Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)
Veterans' Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act. Some rich people like McCain may collect social security and vet benefits, but most vets are not upper class. Sponsor: Bob Filner, D-CA

A few of Obama's tax credits:
First time home buyers get up to $8000 tax credit if you make it under the cutoff ($95k for singles, $170k for couples)
Tax credit for $400 for singles, and $800 for couples, cutoffs of $75k and 150K.
$250 for those retired or disabled collecting social security.
Up to $1500 tax credit for making your home more efficient.
The tuition credit of $2500 which is no longer a refund and has a higher cap than before.

Those are just a few things. He also stopped the economic mudslide we had at the beginning of 2009 which impacted the world's economy. He stopped torture tactics which only served to fuel hatred against the country and make it a more dangerous place to live. He renewed diplomatic tactics and garnered confidence from our allies. Important because, let's face it, we don't own the earth and we can use some friends instead of having everyone laugh at us.

That's just his first year with republicans doing little except opposing anything associated with Obama. There's a lot more to come.

What have the republicans done in 2009?

NJ

Because of Republican Stonewalling - He has tried - they have not

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Very simple

Because of Republican Stonewalling - He has tried - they have not

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simple.
You obviously have not been paying any attention - YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG
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O does not listen to them.
Shouting does not turn fiction into fact - of fact into fiction. nm
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nm
nice comeback. Why did you bother posting - that? ..and the economy still stinks.nm
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xxxx
Cuz capitalized drivebys offer no solutions. Where's your plan - for fixing he economy? Just curious.
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nm
How about "FIRST DO NO HARM". Did O ever think he - could make it worse? nope,
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apparently he cannot think that deeply. He would have been better off leaving it alone than doing what he is doing now. Economies have always gone up and down, but you can make it worse...and boy did he.. ughh. Also, please someone tell him how to pronounce "Corpsman". You would LOVE to bash Bush for his way of speaking, O just humiliated the military.. guy is embarrassing.
I asked you about YOUR plan. Please refrain from the - boomerang bashes and answer the question. nm
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nm
NO plan is better than current one... doing nothing - TX
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and letting certain things correct themselves would have been better than tripling our deficit without creating jobs.
NO leaders = NO plan = NO votes. - Just a lot of bluster. nm
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nm
They have NO PLAN - just spout off rhetoric - and puff out their chests...
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Sad really. They have no reason, just a dislike of the man, no matter what he does it will never be enough to win them over because what they say they want keeps changing.

The bottom line is that they just want Obama to fail - no matter what.

Don't believe everything you read/hear! - luvzminis

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Please don't be taken in by the desperation of the Dems and their media pals. They're walking on thin ice like never before, and will use every scare tactic and demonization plot in the book. Really, you'd be better off listening to conservative radio hosts who clearly have done their homework. Hear for yourself what the Dems are really proposing--and in their own words. I gave up on the Dems and lib press and media years ago. I LOVE Relevant Radio!

You are so funny, LUVZMINIS . . . . . - Really?

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You talk about the Dems using "scare tactic and demonization". So do you suppose your "source" from your earlier post -- "yankeephil" checked his "facts" about the Mao ornament? (which has been proven as an obvious hoax). You should be the last one to be accusing someone else of using scare tactics . . . thanks, I needed a good guffaw!!

What sources say it is a hoax? - sources please

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I have seen the thread throughout the day about the Mao ornament, but so far no one has been unable to refute it. I don't believe it is a hoax. Maybe you have proof that it does not actually exist, please provide sources.

It was not "proven to be a hoax". You might want to do some research - anon

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Here are some links. Maybe you should check the facts before proclaiming it isn't true. You stated it is an obvious hoax when you know it isn't. Before telling someone they are using scare tactics how about some research. Tons of articles out there, so if you don't like my links search it for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes/

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2009/12/22/transvestites-mao-and-obama-decorate-white-house-christmas-tree/

Here's a video:

http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=9710

http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/12/mao-ornament-on-white-house-christmas.html

There are a ton of articles out there.


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