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Labor Angry over Obama backed insurance tax


Posted: Jan 13, 2010

I'm afraid Obama's ship is sinking. If no health care is passed, he sinks and by passing HC taxing the middle class, he sinks.


WASHINGTON – Labor leaders are pushing hard on President Barack Obama and Senate Democrats to drop a proposed new tax on high-value health insurance plans, warning of political consequences.

The White House has indicated the tax may change so it hits fewer workers — but it's not going away.

A Monday evening meeting at the White House between Obama and about a dozen heads of the country's biggest labor unions capped a day when two union leaders fired broadsides at Obama and Senate Democrats over their plans to pay for overhauling the nation's health care system with a tax union leaders fear could hurt their workers.

The 40 percent tax would fall on employer health plans worth more than $8,500 for an individual or $23,000 for a family. Although Obama terms them "Cadillac" plans, union leaders say numerous working-class Americans who've negotiated good benefits in exchange for lesser pay would be hurt.

The president of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka, warned that Democrats risk catastrophic election defeats similar to 1994 if they fail to come up with a health bill labor likes.

"A bad bill could have that kind of effect — a place where people sit at home" — as happened in 1994, when Democrats lost 54 House seats and eight in the Senate, costing them control of Congress, Trumka told reporters.

The head of the International Association of Firefighters, Harold A. Schaitberger, made similarly threatening remarks in a statement Monday.
"The president's support for the excise tax is a huge disappointment and cannot be ignored. If President Obama continues to support it and signs a bill that includes the excise tax on workers, we will hold him accountable," said Schaitberger, who was not among the attendees at the White House meeting.

The AFL-CIO's Trumka made his remarks before delivering a speech in which he bashed the tax proposal in the Senate's health overhaul bill, contending that it "drives a wedge between the middle class and the poor."

"The bill rightly seeks to ensure that most Americans have health insurance. But instead of taxing the rich, the Senate bill taxes the middle class by taxing workers' health plans — not just union members' health care; most of the 31 million insured employees who would be hit by the excise tax are not union members," Trumka said hours before going to the White House. "This is a policy designed to benefit the elites."

Despite the criticism, Trumka stopped short of saying labor would actively oppose the bill if it included the tax. Trumka said bringing Americans health care reform "is too important for us to get this close and then say we quit."

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I agree with Trumka on one issue. (sm) - Nikki

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My understanding was that this was an excise tax that was levied upon the insurance companies. You can be sure that if the insurance companies are required to pay 40% more, they will, in turn, charge the insureds 50% or more to recoup their losses. (I could be wrong about who pays this tax and invite someone with a better understanding to correct me if I am wrong.)

I agree with this tax, but I think it should be paid directly by taxpayers when they file their taxes for the above reason.

I also agree with Trumka that it will "drive a wedge between the middle class and the poor." For that reason, I believe income guidelines should be established.

either way.... - cj

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Either way the tax is going to hurt middle class Americans, whether the premiums are higher or we pay it to the IRS. It doesn't really matter to me how I have to pay it - only that I have to pay it. I do seem to recall something about the middle class paying no more in taxes, not one cent more. Another campaign pledge bites the dust. And contrary to you, I do not agree with this tax or any additional taxation. I believe in no more taxes, but especially so when the tax is for something I do not support. Taxation without representation I think it's called and I think it has caused problems before! There is a level by which historically taxation has caused revolt, and I think we are fast approaching it.

This article appears to explain where negotiations stand at the moment. - TXMT

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Below is the entire article from http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wirestory?id=9542919&page=3

House and Senate negotiators working on President Barack Obama's health overhaul bill appear likely to drop a proposed income tax increase on high-wage earners and possibly jettison a requirement for large businesses to offer coverage to their employees, Democratic officials said Tuesday.
Negotiators are considering extending the Medicare payroll tax, which now applies only to income from wages, to cover some of the investment earnings of couples making more than $250,000 a year, and individuals earning above $200,000. That could make up lost revenue from dropping the high-wage income tax and scaling back a proposed tax on high-value insurance plans, which is strongly opposed by organized labor and House Democrats.
On another high-profile issue, the negotiators are discussing a hybrid of a proposed national insurance exchange contained in the House bill and the state-by-state approach favored by the Senate. House Democrats are pressing for a national system to apply pressure to the insurance industry after their proposal for a new government-run insurance option was ruled out due to opposition from Senate moderates.
These officials also said key lawmakers and the White House were hoping to include more money to protect state governments from the cost of an expansion of the federal-state Medicaid insurance program for the poor. That issue flared after Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., the critical 60th vote for the health care bill in the Senate, got a deal for the federal government to pay the full cost of Medicaid expansion in his state forever, whereas other states would have to pick up part of the tab after a few years.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not free to disclose details of the negotiations.
The developments came as the pace of negotiations on health care legislation quickened with House members returning to Washington on Tuesday from a holiday recess. The White House wants a final bill for Obama to sign in time for his State of the Union address early next month.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democratic leaders were scheduled to meet with Obama at the White House on Wednesday to narrow the numerous issues that remain unresolved. The president has weighed in forcefully in recent days, telling lawmakers he wants at least a pared-down tax on high-cost insurance plans as well as a commission with authority to order cuts to Medicare spending under limited circumstances â both measures designed to hold down spiraling health care costs.
The House-passed bill included an income tax increase on individuals making more than $500,000 a year and couples making over $1 million, as well as a requirement for large businesses to cover their workers. The Senate bill contained neither. It included a tax on high-value insurance plans and a modest increase in the Medicare payroll tax. Instead of requiring employers to offer health coverage, the Senate bill penalized businesses if any of their workers obtained government-subsidized health care.
The move away from the House approaches is a bow to the influence of moderates in the Senate, who oppose those and other liberal priorities and are critical to Reid's fragile majority in support of the bill.
Officials said Obama has indicated support for a national version of the exchange â a clearinghouse where consumers could shop for health coverage. He also is signaling support for ending the decades-old antitrust exemption enjoyed by insurance companies. On those two issues the president is siding with House Democrats over their Senate counterparts.
The legislation passed by both chambers before Christmas is similar in many respects, including expanding Medicaid and imposing a first-time requirement for almost everyone to purchase insurance. Both bills would extend health coverage to more than 30 million uninsured Americans over the next decade.
On other issues:
âHouse Democrats are pushing for more generous subsidies to help low- and middle-income people buy coverage, and Obama supports that. Under the Senate bill, the average subsidy that someone shopping in the exchange would get in 2019 is $5,600, while in the House bill it's $6,800.
âNegotiators are looking at how to tweak the tax on high-value insurance plans. As passed by the Senate, the 40 percent tax would hit individual health plans worth $8,500 or more and family plans worth $23,000 or more. Union leaders fear their members would be unduly penalized by the tax, and there's been discussion of moving the thresholds higher.
Obama met with union leaders Monday, and one union official familiar with the discussions said labor leaders and White House staff also explored the possibility of exempting or delaying health plans covered by collective bargaining agreements from being subject to the tax. They also discussed possible carve-outs for state and government employees, many of whom are unionized.
But some union officials are concerned about any compromise that would appear to give unions special treatment. They want a fix that protects both union and nonunion middle-class workers from paying higher taxes on health plans.
The goal was for White House staffers to come up with a revised plan for the insurance plan excise tax within 48 hours of Monday's meeting. Union leaders, including AFL-CIO head Richard Trumka, met with Pelosi on Tuesday afternoon.
The union officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations.

Pros and cons - sm

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ââ¦drop income tax on high-wage earners and a requirement for large businesses to offer coverage.â Hmmm, wonder which side of the aisle is pushing that one? Extending Medicare tax to cover some of the investment earnings on couples making $250,000 and individuals making $200,000 is not a middle-class tax hike. Hopefully that hybrid of the national exchange and state-by-state plans will be directed toward more, not less, teeth in an already watered-down-beyond-recognition version of providing low cost alternatives.

A more equitable distribution of cost-sparing funds across all states to assist expansion of Medicaid for the poor would help correct the Nelson/Nebraska pork grab. A commission with authority to enforce cost containment of wasteful Medicare spending and health care delivery seems reasonable. An income tax on individuals making more than $500,000 a year and couples making over a million breaks no campaign promises and, again, is not a tax on the middle class.

Penalizing businesses whose workers obtain government-subsidized is over the top, even for this leftie, and needs to go bye-bye. Ending the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies is a no-brainer and would provide many avenues in the future to explore regarding curbing their reign of terror on affordable health care. The last thing we need is insurace companies that are too big to fail.

I think they have it backwards here. The mandate for health coverage should be dropped for employees and kept in place for employers. If that mandate stays in place, then more generous subsidies for low- and middle-income people should also be placed. A downward adjustment of the 40% Cadillac tax and broadening the policy value thresholds to appease otherwise supportive labor unions seems reasonable, as do the other tweaks currently under discussion, but a more inclusive fix favoring middle-class union and nonunion workers is a better idea.

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