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Is Health Care Reform Constitutional?


Posted: Mar 22, 2010

According to what I have been reading today, NO. The government cannot force us to buy health insurance:

"But the individual mandate extends the commerce clause's power beyond economic activity, to economic inactivity. That is unprecedented. While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company. Regulating the auto industry or paying "cash for clunkers" is one thing; making everyone buy a Chevy is quite another. Even during World War II, the federal government did not mandate that individual citizens purchase war bonds.

If you choose to drive a car, then maybe you can be made to buy insurance against the possibility of inflicting harm on others. But making you buy insurance merely because you are alive is a claim of power from which many Americans instinctively shrink. Senate Republicans made this objection, and it was defeated on a party-line vote, but it will return.". . .

"The Slaughter House rule.

A far graver threat to the bill would have been to declare it unconstitutional because it was never formally voted on by the House and therefore never became law. Article I requires that every bill "shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate" to become law, and that "the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered in the journal of each House respectively."

The whole purpose of the "deem and pass" procedure -- which was advocated by Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter -- was to avoid a separate vote on the Senate bill, which many House members find objectionable, and instead vote on the reconciliation bill and simultaneously "deem" the Senate measure passed. Although Democrats cited prior examples of deem and pass, "the Republicans did it" is not a recognized constitutional argument -- especially if the public and the justices have never heard of such a thing. This constitutional objection seems to have succeeded, as House leaders decided on Saturday to take a separate vote on the Senate version, rather than "deeming" it passed.". . .

The Slaughter House rule.

A far graver threat to the bill would have been to declare it unconstitutional because it was never formally voted on by the House and therefore never became law. Article I requires that every bill "shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate" to become law, and that "the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered in the journal of each House respectively."

The whole purpose of the "deem and pass" procedure -- which was advocated by Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter -- was to avoid a separate vote on the Senate bill, which many House members find objectionable, and instead vote on the reconciliation bill and simultaneously "deem" the Senate measure passed. Although Democrats cited prior examples of deem and pass, "the Republicans did it" is not a recognized constitutional argument -- especially if the public and the justices have never heard of such a thing. This constitutional objection seems to have succeeded, as House leaders decided on Saturday to take a separate vote on the Senate version, rather than "deeming" it passed.""....

(Article writtent by: Randy E. Barnett - Randy E. Barnett teaches constitutional law at Georgetown University. He is the author of "Restoring the Lost Constitution: The Presumption of Liberty." )

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031901470.html?sub=AR

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P.S. In doing some searches, 32 states are now - Backwards Typist

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implementing amendments so their state will not be hit with the federal mandates. Hopefully, they will succeed.

If I get a chance, I will find the article again.

how many states? - cj

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yesterday i thought they said 37?

I just read something by Ron Paul that said 38. sm - LVMT

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Here is what Dr. Paul wrote about the bill. He will not vote for anything unconstitutional.

http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20found,ID=100322_3678,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml

You're right. Typo. That's why I sign as - LOL (nm) - Backwards Typist

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And I'm moving to one of those states - jm

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I'm moving to a state that cares more about it's residents than pleasing a political party.

I am glad to hear that if anything is going to happen it's going to be slow going. Gives me time to pack up and move.

does anyone know which states - cj

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I am kind of curious as to which states i have tried to find something but have had no success. Anybody able to find anything detailing which states? The only thing I found listed only three; I only remember florida!
The States sm - LVMT
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These states have pre-filed or have already filed: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Lawmakers in an additional four states—Montana, North Carolina, Rhode Island, and Utah—have publicly announced their intentions to file the legislation. A citizen-led initiative has also been announced in Colorado, the organization adds.
Thank you - cj
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Thank you for the info. Now I know I live in one of those states. I think we are in for quite a ride. As I said, I personally am hoping, since it did pass, that it turns out that this bill is indeed a positive move for all of us, but I sure would not have minded seeing it defeated and would not be unhappy to see the states battle and win!

states" fight - cj

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I am just thinking if they states sue over this collectively, Pres Obama may live to regret his rebuke of the Supreme Court Justices!

Reminds me of the saying - Dont bite the hand that feeds you

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Animals understand this very well.

Supreme court justices are just a bunch of old farts. - I bet THEIR health will be failing soon.....

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Roberts and Alito have a personal problem with Obama. - Anon
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They've made that clear. Since both Alito and Roberts are relatively young, they will be around for decades, which means we're stuck with W basically (he appointed them) for decades, since these two are such good "soldiers".

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