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Dick Cheney's Last Laugh

Posted: Jun 10, 2010

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/06/dick-cheney-bp-spill

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Sad, but does not surprise me a bit. BTW, - that picture of Cheney

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actually smiling kind of creeped me out! I had not noticed until I saw this picture that we rarely see him not looking nasty and angry and bad-tempered! This picture kind of threw me for a loop! LOL!

LOL, how true; it is creepy, considering the - Really?

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the evil and ugliness that is behind that smile.

Really? In Os pics, he usually looks cluless. - As it turns out, he IS.nm

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Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! - Get a life!

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I keep hoping that if someone calls attention to how often it happens, it will at least lessen.

I don't see Bush and Cheney - sm

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in office now. Bush and Cheney are not the only politicians who are all about loopholes, lobbyists, etc. I do believe a majority of those running this ship are that way....including Obama. More people than Bush and Cheney had their hands in any regulation standards or lack thereof. This blame everything on Bush and Cheney is getting old. Blaming them will not fix this oil spill. So maybe we should focus on getting this leak to stop and cleaning up the mess and then we can go back and decide who is paying and who is to blame. Standing around and pointing fingers at politicians who no longer hold office will not bring back the animals that have died in this oil spill....nor will it save the animals that will die if we don't get this sh*t stopped and cleaned up!

It's not so much about assigning blame, as this is what - Really?

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comes from a "secret energy task force". Let's face facts here -- this rig explosion most likely would not have happened had there not been so much pandering to Big Oil and allowing deregulation of safety procedures. Sorry, but that does go back to the Bush administration who not only turned a blind eye, but proferred an open invitation to cheat and skimp on safety measures.

You don't think Obama received money from - sm

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oil companies? It's true that Obama doesn't take money directly from oil companies, but then, no presidential, House or Senate candidate does. They can't: Corporations have been prohibited from contributing directly to federal candidates since the Tillman Act became law in 1907.

Obama has, however, accepted more than $213,000 in contributions from individuals who work for, or whose spouses work for, companies in the oil and gas industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That's not as much as Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $306,000 in donations from people tied to the industry, but it's still a substantial amount.

You also wanna talk about lobbyists? Obama's policy of not taking money from lobbyists is a bit of hair-splitting. It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work. And some of his bigger fundraisers were registered lobbyists until they signed on with the Obama campaign.

Couldn't our current president have requested tougher regulations? Instead he said we could go ahead with more offshore drilling. You would think that a president who was considering such a thing would have gone over the drilling regulations to make sure things weren't being skimped on as far as safety, etc. before giving the green light to drill more. Interesting how no one mentions that though. ;)

I'm sorry, I guess I must have missed somewhere in my post - Really?

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denying that President Obama, along with every other politician, received oil and gas money? Or is this just a weak answer to the fact that the Bush administration made it inevitable for this Gulf disaster to happen? Is it possible that this Bush/Cheney "secret energy task force" might have been covered up so well to the point where it might have been inadvertently missed? I mean after all, there have been a few other pressing issues that the President has had on his agenda -- mainly the whiners that have nothing better to do than find fault with every thing the man does. Ya' think?

I liked the post, Really? and just ignore these - folks. These are the

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"knee-jerkers." Does not matter what you say, they turn it into an Obama bash. I just made the comment above about having never seen a picture of Cheney smiling and the "knee-jerk" I got was some kind of drive-by insult about Obama!!! Silly and childish. They do not grow up. I appreciate what you are trying to do though, and always enjoy your posts.

Thanks!! I find it rather pathetic that these people will - Really?

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say anything to make it about the "evils of Obama" -- like there are not more productive things to make use of time? LOL

I guess when you have your head so far up the butts of the corporate-loving Regressives, everything is coated in doo doo!

Yep, doo doo, and in this case, oil! - Pretty silly

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Oh, please, like you would not be thrilled to continually - blame Bush for every problem.

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At least dont be a hypocrite. It is unbecoming of you.

Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! - Get a life!

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LOL -look whose talking ! - Go look in a mirror.nm

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Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! - Yet again-get a clue!

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Don't get it, do you?

Could you please stop this repetition? nm - PLEASE

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Then try learning to have an actual discussion - wo insults and I will.

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What are you talking about? I didnt insult you! - PLEASE

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Just tired of your game.

I was not accusing you of insulting me. I am - referring to the general

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so-call "discussion" here and the fact that so many people here do not seem to be able to function without the insults etc. Feel free to skip my posts. Sorry if you felt I was addressing you personally.

You might also want to advise Obama to "grow up" - and be a leader taking responsibility!.nm

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Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! - Get a life!

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Obama will never learn to be president. Even on-the-job - training doesnt work with him.nm

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Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! - Get a life!

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You need to get a life - you don't like what someone says, so - see message

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you keep posting over and over about knee-jerkers. Anyone who you disagree with you call them a knee-jerker and say they are on the rampage, yet your the one who is doing what you accuse others of.

People are trying to post their opinions. Just because you disagree with them does not make them a knee-jerker. In fact by you continually posting this same line over and over and over and over you are proving true your own post.

If you don't like what people have to say skip over the message. It's very annoying to try and read messages and you keep posting this in just about every post. All because you don't agree with someone.

Your messages are not only showing you to be what you accuse other of, but also these messages are pathetic.

You are missing the point. I am referring not - to what people say but

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how they are saying it. I don't care if they disagree with me. I will repeat that. I do not care if you or anyone disagrees with me. There is nothing pathetic about expecting adults to use civility and maturity in addressing each other, regardless of the viewpoint being made. Make a point, not just one-liner insults and then run. THAT is pathetic. As another poster said, stop with the word vomit and have an actual, grown up discussion.

Sometimes not every message needs a full blown explanation - see message

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of what the poster's point is is not needed. Sometimes a "one liner" says it all. If you don't like it just ignore it. That's what I do, but to keep seeing your message riddled throughout the politics board is worse than the messages you are replying to. I haven't been to the politics board in about a week and I wanted to catch up on what's been going on, and all that keeps sticking out is the "one-liners" of Knee-jerkers are on the rampage today! Not the message you are replying to. In fact they make more sense than your one-liner.

You are not making any point by continually posting this same one-liner over and over. People have opinions. I myself have written just a line or two in the past because that is all that is needed. There is no such thing as a "run" on this board. This isn't a motor vehicle accident here where people hit and run. People post their opinions. Sometimes they have an explanation and sometimes just one line that says it all and no message is needed. I see that on the Gab board too, but you're not there replying to them with the same "knee-jerk" response. And, I don't see you replying when the liberals post one-liners. Just the other side you don't agree with.

All I'm sayin is reading the one-liner you keep posting is like fingernails on a chalk board. If you don't like that people post one-liners then just ignore it and move on. You are making no point. You speak of civility and maturity in your post, but there is none in continually posting over and over and over "knee-jerkers are on the rampage".

See below just a few of the examples I found - FROM BOTH SIDES

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You might also want to advise Obama to "grow up" - and be a leader taking responsibility!.nm

Oh, please, like you would not be thrilled to continually - blame Bush for every problem.

Really? In Os pics, he usually looks cluless. - As it turns out, he IS.nm ***I really shook my head at this one. It was in response to a post where someone said that you never see pictures of Cheney smiling-Obama was NO Where in the conversation!

HAHAHA!. Do you even see how hypocritical you are? - ..and BITTER, very.. hope you feel better.nm

Pure garbage - (nm)

Boy, oh boy, you really are delusional if you - believe that.

OMG! You have lost touch. You must be in Congress!.nm

Unemployment is NOT better. What is wrong with you?nm

You must be living in another country or - on another planet -would explain a lot.nm

How's the weather out there on the fringe?

The economy still stinks, deal with that fact...

Immediate gratification isn't always available. That's why children are - so impatient

Good ol' Kalifornicate...

Do you have a daughter named Carrie? - hmmmm

Somebody pass the barf bag. - I just lost my lunch

For the record, these include from both dems and cons. One of them I posted (never said I was guiltless) but the point is none of these make any kind of point other than to be condescending, sarcastic, hateful, insulting, or just plain nasty in the form of a "knee-jerk" response. No other communication there. I am trying to call some attention to it so maybe we could all grow up and have some civil and grown up discussions here. They are sadly lacking. In the meantime, I am entitled to post what I want. Sorry if it bothers you, but you can also just ignore them and move on. You already know what it says so it should be easy to do if you choose to ignore the message. That is your choice.

Wow - you really do need to learn to let things go - see message

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I really didn't read all the things you wrote. Read them once as I was reading down to board. Didn't need to read them again.

That's what I'm talking about...let things go. Everyone is free to post whether it's one line or more. Both sides do post one liners, but posting the same one liner of "knee-jerkers are on the rampage today" goes against everything you think you are trying to make a point of. Plus, you don't respond to the one-liners you agree with, just the ones you don't (didn't see you on the gab board either telling the people there who post one-liners the same thing).

It would be nice to be able to read messages whether it's a full blown message or a one line response with people's opinions without seeing the "knee-jerkers" post directly following it in almost every post on this board. Your talking about people "growing up", yet the "knee jerk" post is far from a "grown up" response.

I still say if one liners bother you so much just skip over them and don't even give them another thought. Constantly posting is not going to change anything. People are allowed to post their opinion whether or not it's just one line or more. And it certainly can't be good for your health. A more healthier approach is just to skip over them. That's what I do. I look at the response and laugh and move on. I use the 5-minute rule. I read it, then move on to other things then by the time 5 minutes is up I've usually got better things to do and feel no need to go back and post. You should try it, it really works, and guarantee you'll feel better.

And people here need to learn how to have a - discussion wo insults.

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Request - see message

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I am asking you very nicely if you wouldn't mind stopping with the knee jerker posts. I really don't know how else to ask. I understand you don't like one line responses from people who disagree with you, but your posts are doing no good. My understanding is that nobody should be dictating how or what people can post on this board and just don't know why you feel you need to "teach a lesson" to posters. People can post anything they want as long as they don't make it personal or obscene or whatever rules are set forth for posting on this board, and as far as I can see nobody is breaking those rules.

To come on this board and when people don't post how you want them to post you keep posting some "knee jerk post"...let just say it's getting very old. Then you tell people they need to "learn to have an actual discussion". We are all adults on this board and we can post as we wish as long as we follow the guidelines and nobody has broken any rules as far as I can see.

I just had to say, the knee jerk posts are getting very old and many of us would like it to stop. Of course we cannot tell you how to post but it really is getting old. On top of that it is not adding to the political discussion.

If you don't like the post just skip by it. I think this has been asked more than once in the past. Looks like more and more are getting tired of the reading that same message over and over and over.

So please, we understand you don't like the one liners, but your post is not going to change anything.

Thank you for asking nicely. It is a nice change - to see here. That being

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said, I feel the need to repeat that I have NO problem with people not agreeing with me. I have a problem with the way people here are doing it, and not just to me.

That's fine but you are not posting the same post - to people who you agree with

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You are only posting to those you don't agree with.

Either way...it's really run it's course now. Everyone is free to post whatever they want of course, but your not adding anything to the conversation, yet the people you are responding to are adding their thoughts about what is being discussed. It should not make a different whether or not someone posts a line or two or a whole paragraph of explanation. These are adults with feelings and opinions. Nobody should be dictating how they should post.

But if you want to keep posting with the same message best of luck to you.

Did You Read The Documents or did you just read Mother Jones? - Backwards Typist

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It truly is not because of the Bush administration that made this disaster happen. Chevron suggested a list of energy comprehesnive points to make us more energy efficient. Were they implemented in the 2001 Energy Policy? I don't know that yet, but will research it.

The fact is, this disaster is on the shoulders of BP themselves. They decided to cut safety and responsibility by not making sure the equipment was working the way it should have been, not making sure the bottom line profits themselves and the shareholders. (Remember the workers who tried to point out safety risks and were either fired or moved into desk jobs?)

BP or any oil company who cuts corners and hampers security and safety of the workers and waters are the responsible parties.

Government cannot control every move the oil companies do, but what they could have done was had the departments in charge of energy make more inspections and more fines for breaking the law. Instead, they took BP at their word that they were doing a good job and following the rules. After the other oil spills BP had, there should have been red flags raised and the government inspectors should have stepped in immediately. Did they? Evidently not, or this would never have happened.

Just a few interesting articles - Really?

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The issue is that there was incompetency already in place and, unfortunately this disaster is the end result.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25mms.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/Sex_drugs_and_legendary_laxity.html

Yes, and unfortunately, its the watchdogs of regulating the industry and oil companies - Backwards Typist

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who cut corners to make profits. If you ever worked for a company that handles hazardous materials, you would know that whenever an inspection is due, the regulating agency calls the company and tells them they are coming; i.e., gives the company a chance to right wrongs or hide violations before they show up.

Now THAT is what I call stupidity at its best.

You guys are such hypocrits. - sm

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You are too busy trying to continue to blame Bush for everything. Don't you understand that it is BP's fault? If you wanna blame Bush and Cheney for letting things slide and getting kick backs from oil companies....than you must blame every politician that gets money and turns the other cheek. Yes, Obama has other pressing issues going on, but I would think that any person looking into drilling more would go over the regulations before giving the go ahead. Seems like the responsible thing to do actually. But it is much easier to blame Bush because we all know that Obama cannot be held accountable for anything he does or doesn't do. You guys are always for giving excuses for Obama but there are no excuses when it comes to Bush or Cheney. It is all their fault. Obama is blameless. He always manages to have a scapegoat. You guys are so friggin blinded by Obama it isn't funny. At least I admit that Bush did ignorant crap that he shouldn't have. I didn't find him blameless. However, I don't blame him for every little thing either. When are ya'll gonna realize that Obama should be held accountable for the decisions that he has made during his time in office? After his 4 years as president, you still gonna blame Bush for everything. Sheesh...even John Stewart is ripping Obama a new butthole for being an idiot with this whole oil spill. If a left-wing liberal like John Stewart can see Obama's faults....why can't you?

Thank you for your message - Im tired of it all too

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Sometimes you have to hold the people accountable responsible for their actions no matter how much you like them. People make mistakes. It happens to everyone. I don't think any conservatives on this board ever gave Bush a free ride. When something happened that he could have prevented or a circumstance happened as a result of his decisions, we held him responsible. Was Bush a good president? Most will argue no, but he did do some good things while in office. He was not perfect by all means, but he certainly was not the worst president in history, and sometimes people have to stop blaming him for everything, especially since he is not in office and has not been for over a year. Decisions that are being made in the current administration are being made by the current crowd. I don't blame Obama though because when you really understand what is going on in politics you know that he's not the one responsible for a lot of decisions. There are people behind the scenes that are in charge. Not Obama. Obama is just the messenger that has to come out and explain all the garbage going on to us. What I do blame him for though is not taking responsibility for the decisions being made by his adminstration. I blame him for continually blaming Bush for things Bush is probably sitting back saying.... "Excuse me...I'm not the one who signed this or that or called meetings". But they do have quite a scam going there. All present and future disasters will be blamed on Bush.

You wrote an excellent post. Thanks.

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