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I know Dems and libs don't like Fox or O'Reilly, but what about Dick Morris?


Posted: Sep 3, 2012

He was a Clinton man way back then. He sets the record straight on the Romney ad, and back up the welfare reform act that Clinton signed in 1996. Dick Morris explains the 1996 law very well. I will be looking it up for sure, but in the meantime, watch the video.

 

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Surely you must remember Dick Morris? sm - VTMT

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See link for a little info on him. He was for everything Clinton and the democrats were for before he was against them. Kind of like Romney in a way. On top of all that, he lies when he says the Romney ad about Obama "gutting" the welfare work requirement is factual.

You didn't read my other post? - backwards typist

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of the law itself? Guess not.

With all the legaleze in any law, it is my understanding - backwards typist

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that the law is as follows:


SEC. 415. WAIVERS.


(a) CONTINUATION OF WAIVERS-


(1) WAIVERS IN EFFECT ON DATE OF ENACTMENT OF WELFARE REFORM-


(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), if any waiver granted to a State under section 1115 of this Act (SEC. 1115. DEFINITION OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL. Section 3(s)(2)(C) of the Food Stamp Act of 1977 (7 U.S.C. 2012(s)(2)(C)) is amended by inserting `for not more than 90 days' after `temporary accommodation')  or otherwise which relates to the provision of assistance under a State plan under this part (as in effect on September 30, 1996) is in effect as of the date of the enactment of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, the amendments made by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (other than by section 103(c) of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996) shall not apply with respect to the State before the expiration (determined without regard to any extensions) of the waiver to the extent such amendments are inconsistent with the waiver.


(B) FINANCING LIMITATION- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning with fiscal year 1996, a State operating under a waiver described in subparagraph (A) shall be entitled to payment under section 403 for the fiscal year, in lieu of any other payment provided for in the waiver.


 (2) WAIVERS GRANTED SUBSEQUENTLY-


(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), if any waiver granted to a State under section 1115 of this Act or otherwise which relates to the provision of assistance under a State plan under this part (as in effect on September 30, 1996) is submitted to the Secretary before the date of the enactment of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 and approved by the Secretary on or before July 1, 1997, and the State demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Secretary that the waiver will not result in Federal expenditures under title IV of this Act (as in effect without regard to the amendments made by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996) that are greater than would occur in the absence of the waiver, the amendments made by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (other than by section 103(c) of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996) shall not apply with respect to the State before the expiration (determined without regard to any extensions) of the waiver to the extent the amendments made by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 are inconsistent with the waiver.


In other words, waivers COULD BE GRANTED before the law took affect in 1997 but not AFTER the specified date. HHS/Obama has no right to grant waivers now.


Another item I found interesting in this law is that "sanctuary states" that grant illegal immigrants health and welfare benefits are breaking the law.


TITLE IV--RESTRICTING WELFARE AND PUBLIC BENEFITS FOR ALIENS


Subtitle A--Eligibility for Federal Benefits


SEC. 401. ALIENS WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED ALIENS INELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS.


(a) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law and except as provided in subsection (b), an alien who is not a qualified alien (as defined in section 431) is not eligible for any Federal public benefit (as defined in subsection (c)).


 (b) EXCEPTIONS-


(1) Subsection (a) shall not apply with respect to the following Federal public benefits:


(A) Medical assistance under title XIX of the Social Security Act (or any successor program to such title) for care and services that are necessary for the treatment of an emergency medical condition (as defined in section 1903(v)(3) of such Act) of the alien involved and are not related to an organ transplant procedure, if the alien involved otherwise meets the eligibility requirements for medical assistance under the State plan approved under such title (other than the requirement of the receipt of aid or assistance under title IV of such Act, supplemental security income benefits under title XVI of such Act, or a State supplementary payment).


 (B) Short-term, non-cash, in-kind emergency disaster relief.


 (C) Public health assistance (not including any assistance under title XIX of the Social Security Act) for immunizations with respect to immunizable diseases and for testing and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases whether or not such symptoms are caused by a communicable disease.


 (D) Programs, services, or assistance (such as soup kitchens, crisis counseling and intervention, and short-term shelter) specified by the Attorney General, in the Attorney General's sole and unreviewable discretion after consultation with appropriate Federal agencies and departments, which (i) deliver in-kind services at the community level, including through public or private nonprofit agencies; (ii) do not condition the provision of assistance, the amount of assistance provided, or the cost of assistance provided on the individual recipient's income or resources; and (iii) are necessary for the protection of life or safety.


 (E) Programs for housing or community development assistance or financial assistance administered by the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, any program under title V of the Housing Act of 1949, or any assistance under section 306C of the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development Act, to the extent that the alien is receiving such a benefit on the date of the enactment of this Act.


 (2) Subsection (a) shall not apply to any benefit payable under title II of the Social Security Act to an alien who is lawfully present in the United States as determined by the Attorney General, to any benefit if nonpayment of such benefit would contravene an international agreement described in section 233 of the Social Security Act, to any benefit if nonpayment would be contrary to section 202(t) of the Social Security Act, or to any benefit payable under title II of the Social Security Act to which entitlement is based on an application filed in or before the month in which this Act becomes law.

I think this topic deserves its own thread. My...sm - VTMT

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understanding of the employment waiver that some states are requesting is not so easy to obtain. The state must request it, state why, and give a reasonable plan which would increase the employment in their state by 20%? in a year or lose the waiver/exemption. I believe that encouraging innovative ideas to get more people better trained and educated and back to work should be encouraged as long as there are strict requirements and guidelines.

The thing is, HHS cannot change the law. - backwards typist

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which Sebilius [sic] and Obama are trying to do. It specifically states waivers can be given by 1997 (or whatever I copied in my above post), but after that, the law is the law as it was passed in 1996.

This is my understanding.
The thing is, HHS has teams of experts on the law - Anyone who says different is lying SM
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whose job is to figure out what it means and how to work with it legally, and when it's not legal. These are flat out lies perpetrated by people preying on those who wish to be deluded. The prize: influencing the voters.

When presidents break the law, a dangerous and rare move, it's for far more important and insidious purposes than making a domestic law function better for a bunch of governors. This particular action was taken at the repeated requests of those governors, BTW, who all had their own teams of lawyers studying how the problems with making the law work could be legally fixed.

Silly stuff. Smoke and mirrors designed to fool people mistaking a sensible and decent action of government working properly for something corrupt and even evil. Heaven forbid anything this administration does should seem to not be that.
So what you're saying is it's okay to break the law? - backwards typist
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I copied the part of the law in my above post and the law stated waivers must be put in place by 1997. After that no waivers...no ifs, ands, or buts, but you're saying HHS's team of lawyers have found a way to break that law?

Interesting.
Umhm. That's the initial paper. What came after? - Please stop accusations of criminanlity
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until you know that there have never been any amendments, extensions or otherwise, or other laws passed or presidential action that would supercede it. The law is a living thing.

Nobody's going to bother with us here, but since you are so concerned about legalities and doing right here, I'll point out that your own statements ARE libelous and thus actionable.

Your twisting of my words is also very dishonest, and I don't appreciate it. Since you could not hope to convince me by lying about what I said, your statement is taken as the attack it undoubtedly is. You know, if you can't win with the truth, what on earth are you arguing for at all?

I've been very impressed at times and could care less about the - foot fetish, but he can be profoundly

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dishonest and dishonorable, apparently willing to spout whatever line's desired by those paying him at the moment. He's very knowledgeable and insightful, though and can be very worth listening to when he cares to be enlightening. The trick is intersecting those now-rare moments, and I'm afraid this isn't one of them, as O'Reilly courteously showed. He sounds good, though, doesn't he?

A liberal.

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