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Best thing we can all do is lose the party stereotypes
Posted: Oct 11, 2014
It's easy, cheap - and usually wrong - to think of political parties (and hence, anything or anyone related to them) in terms of simplistic stereotypes and labels, which are almost always flattering with regard to our own party and insulting when it comes to others.
I see people here hurling insults at one another - conservatives are this, liberals are that - based on these caricatures which bear little if any relationship to the truth. The political parties themselves encourage this sort of thing, of course, but that doesn't mean we have to fall for it. What they're doing is dividing us by short-circuiting our native ability to think for ourselves. The minute you buy into one of these half-truths (and a half-truth is an untruth, de facto), you're surrendering your mind to your political masters.
There are fiscally conservative liberals, just as there are socially liberal conservatives. Most of us, truth be told, fall somewhere in the middle - holding some positions that would be considered conservative, and others that lean more to the liberal side.
Let's lose the stereotypes, let's lose the "party lines" that we're constantly being fed in the form of sound bites, let's know what we're talking about by researching an issue BEFORE we comment on it, and let's all be a LOT MORE CIVIL to one another while we're at it.
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You're going to get a lot of "likes" for this. - NPC
[ In Reply To ..]Including from me. I hope we can all follow your lead. There are some very challenging issues out there and it would serve us all well if we came together on them to help find solutions and help each other.
Interesting, I came here with that attitude - but was quickly beaten up
[ In Reply To ..]for any attitudes that didn't "fit" into one description or the other.
So some days, I do as you have suggested, but I won't guarantee I don't respond to the bait--it is hard not to when you feel insulted and demeaned.
As to research, I believe there are many who don't really know how to do that. I believe many have adopted a news outlet that tells them what they think and they run with it. What constitutes research? For most, if they believe their source, then it was researched. They, of course, believe their source researched it!
By nature, people want to sort and classify everything. This makes everything orderly and makes it easy to respond with less thought involved.
All in all, I don't really think a more "thoughtful" board is what the majority wants--I think they want a place to banter the sound bites and make quick quips.
I would be happy to try to step up to your challenge. We'll see how that goes.
It would help if one poster... - minx
[ In Reply To ..]...who constantly throws out names like Bozo, Mooch, Boy King from Kenya, and implies that all who don't vote conservative are lazy, food-stamp grabbing lowlifes would stop with the childishness, then maybe we could get somewhere. This poster also mentions "bait" quite often when it is she who does much of the baiting. It would be great to have some political discourse without dragging it down to grade-school level.
I think it's more than one poster and I think it comes from both sides. - NPC
[ In Reply To ..]I've seen very nasty names hurled by both sides. Just scroll down this page. Someone calling someone else a delusional, foaming-at-the-mouth conservative, someone else accusing someone else as lacking critical reading and/or thinking skills, etc. I could go on and on.
Actually, I'm about done with this forum. I asked on the gab board if anyone knew of a less inflammatory political board out there and to please email me with the name. I have never in my life seen such a bunch of snark and vile rhetoric aimed at fellow MTs. According to what I have learned from this board, it is fair game to describe public figures in a negative light, but we are not supposed to attack each other, yet that is what is done here. I'll probably catch a lot of snark for this, but most of it is from the liberals.
I agree that it's both sides; however,... - minx
[ In Reply To ..]...there is one poster who stands out with her consistently nasty style. I don't agree that most of it is from the liberals, though. I do find it interesting that some think that countering false right-wing assertions with facts is "bullying." I wish you well in your search for a more enlightened forum.
Nice thought, but won't work here. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]As evidenced by the culmination into trash talk within this thread, I don't think your suggestion will work. This gutter talk proves to me what has been said about the demographic that voted the current president into office (twice). God help us.
God helps those who help themselves, and criticizing voters you need won't help you. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Here we have yet another conservative poster who blames liberals while seemingly oblivious to the conservative, what she calls "gutter talk." In this post, the conservative criticism comes in the form of a broad swipe at "the demographic that voted the current president into office (twice)" and then asks God for help.
From looking at the different demographics, it looks like the GOP has the rich old white men's votes locked up. According to Lindsey Graham, there's just not enough angry white guys these days.
Being that the president's largest demographic voters are women and a coalition of minorities, which group do you suppose conservatives are asking God to help them with? Perhaps if conservatives weren't so strongly opposed to issues that these groups are in favor of, maybe there wouldn't be such a huge disparity in voting patterns. If conservatives cannot or will not change their political platform to attract these voters, then the only recourse remaining is to suppress the vote of these groups, which is exactly the path your party has chosen.
Not the first time I have said this, but demographics being what they are, I believe the winning ticket for 2016 is Hillary Clinton and VP candidate Hispanic male, maybe Julian Castro of Texas. Democrats should of course concentrate their efforts in the swing states but also go into Texas and campaign enough there to force the GOP to spend millions and millions of dollars to defend a state that used to just be a lock for the GOP and that would pull GOP resources out of the swing states at the same time.
Ever noticed how the race baiting and dog whistling picks up around election time? I sure do. I will NEVER EVER forget it, and I know I'm not alone. So please, conservatives, continue on with your frequent and overt critism of the first minority POTUS and Al and Jesse and other minority leaders and issues important to women and minorities that are voting Democratic in lopsided numbers..... because when it's time to elect a president, your display of intolerance and disdain is working spectacularly in favor of liberals.
Excellent post. - Thanks. nm
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