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Why The Tea Party Will Cause Republicans To Lose

Posted: Apr 19, 2011

It isn't possible to have an actual discussion with a tea party member. They love slogans and one-liners, but that's as far as their 'thinking' goes. They are shallow thinkers.

The one thing about this, whether you think it is a good thing or a bad thing, is that they are causing the Republican Party to lose credibility. Decent people have been sucked into it temporarily, but if they are able to think, they eventually have enough of it. The Birther movement is taking the Tea Party down. No right-thinking person wants to be a part of that.

So does this mean that there will be a backlash of Republicans against the Tea Party? I think that's what will happen eventually, when enough people get tired of the circus atmosphere and all the silliness. It's a matter of time. Will the Republican Party still be standing when that happens? I think it will be badly damaged, but it will come back better than ever.

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tea party - icedT

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What have I posted that makes you believe I'm a shallow thinker? You can't have an actual discussion with me? Seriously?

Oh, and by the way, the Birthers have not taken over the Tea Party. That's just a ridiculous statement and you know it. Sure, there are a few Americans who believe he wasn't born in in the US, just as there are a few Americans who are intolerant of man of color as our president or any position of power. There are ALWAYS going to be crazy thinkers on the right and on the left in this nation. But, the MAJORITY of Americas believe he WAS born here and has every right to be president. The Birthers were around long before the Tea Party. This is certainly not a Tea Party stance, so there is really no use in trying to make that connection - it won't work.

Move on and stop trying to smear me. You, my friend, are the one who is being silly, not me.

What a load of utter nonsense....your - desperation is showing.

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and very evident from this forum. All the left can seem to do is slam, slam, slam. No ideas to contribute. Don't counter posts with different ideas...just attack the messenger. Still don't get what the midterms meant, have no conception of what a 14 trillion dollar deficit is, and still expect us to vote them back in to power in 2012.

If the Republicans are smart they will not backlash against the American voter. Would not be the smartest thing they ever did...THEY also should pay attention to the midterms.

Just look at all the 'socialist' threads we got spammed with this morning - That is desperation

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I woke up this morning to a board spammed with 'socialist' threads.

Don't like it when you get pulled out of the - dark and into the light

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do ya?

They are probably paid bloggers. sm - LVMT

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Best to ignore their posts, especially if they are ad homs. The paid collectivist bloggers are on all the political boards.

I am not a blogger. I am just tired of the - "we are not socialists"

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that the left on this board keep proclaiming. Yet if you listen to those videos...same agenda. Just thought it was about time they got dragged into the light. That's it in a nutshell.

Made my point. You won't see anymore.

Thanks.

At least you fessed up to spamming us---good for you! - Thanks for stopping though

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socialist - icedT

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Oh, I see now why you were slamming the Tea Party. You assumed all those socialist threads were started from someone who identifies with the Tea Party? I don't know who it was, but the tit-for-tat game is a little childish, isn't it?

You could have either ignored those posts or note some facts to prove them wrong. I'm ALMOST interested enough to go and read those posts now. LOL

You should go listen to them. They make - their claims about the

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tea party rallies PALE in comparison, and what is being said on the videos are echoed every day on this board. Don't know why they go ballistic when called socialists when...well, I suggest you listen to the videos. I found them very illuminating.

They're propaganda! - no1joe

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And people who listen to that instead of opinions of the people they are talking to are doing themselves a disservice.

If you've already formed an opinion of someone, why even bother coming to an open forum to debate?

I could ask you the same thing about the - tea partiers!! Come ON.

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the videos are real people, real union workers, expressing their opinions, just like the tea party slams and videos that were posted. You thought they were great!!

Please. Credibility - shot.

Thanks for telling me - no1joe

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what I think is great. Seriously... right now you're basically telling me what my opinion is based on what you've been stuffed with probably courtesy of Fox News, YouTube, and random bloggers. And my credibility is shot? In your words... Please.

So you are saying the videos with - the socialists are lies

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yet you accept the MSNBC, You Tube, and random bloggers about the tea party.

Yes, your credibility is shot. In your words ... please.

Instead of telling me what I accept - no1joe

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or what my opinion is, why don't you ask me? Ask other liberals for that matter instead of relying on propaganda footage. Videos like that are capturing images and actions of kooks and compiling them in order to create an image of an entire segment of people in order to scare people or make people form negative opinions. Both sides do it, and I don't like it either way. Let's be real... both sides have wackos. There's (at least) one in every crowd. People take advantage of the side show entertainment and use it as a smear tactic. When people form opinions based on this, they're more reluctant to listen and denying themselves insight into a different POV.

no1joe, your credibility is fine with me! - see message

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I would like our country to have a more serious conversation, without the circus atmosphere. I would love to see real statesmen given more 'air' time than wackos from either side. Our country's decisions need to be based on something more solid than reality TV. We can do better.

no1joe - icedT

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Wow N1J, I could have written your post myself, but I would have, of course, inserted "conservatives" where you typed "liberals." LOL

"...create an image of an entire segment of people in order to scare people or make people form negative opinions." Sounds like how the Tea Party is protrayed. It just takes a couple of kooks and then **bam** we are ALL considered extreme radical and racist kooks. It's really not fair and gets so frustrating.

I think (and hope) the nuts will get tired on this board soon and go away and then we can get back to having our debates again. Hope to see you tomorrow!

I know where you stand, if one is to believe - your posts represent

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what you think, and I have no reason to believe that they do not.

Yes, there are wackos on both sides. The difference is, what the wackos on those videos were saying is the same thing the left is saying on this board. What the wackos represented as the tea party postings are not what is posted by conservatives on this board. That is where the disconnect is. Socialism is socialism...redistribution of wealth...the rich and corporations are the problems with this country. The left is saying it here, the socialists are saying it on the videos. Seem to be a lot more concentrated wackos in those videos than in any tea party rally I have seen, and the language was certainly worse.

The point is very simple. Socialist videos have common thread with the left posting on this board. The tea party videos that have been presented to show the whole tea party as nutjob radicals...no common thread with the conservatives posting on this board.

You should take a look back at some of your posts...I did not see you decrying painting all tea partiers as wackos, yet you were very quick to try to separate yourself from the socialists in the videos and to attack the poster for lumping all socialists/liberals with wackos.

You are guilty of the same thing you accuse the other poster of. So maybe if you, and fairly all the other liberals/progressives/socialists/Democrats on this board will stop lumping all tea partiers together like they had one brain...the purpose of the socialist videos was to point this out.

Readers Digest version...when you do the lumping, lumping is good. When someone else does the lumping, lumping is bad.

You can't deny the common thread in the socialist video with the left on the board here: rich people bad, tax them more. Corporations bad. Class warfare, just don't call it that...becuse class warfare (even though that is what it is) kills people. At least the people in the video are honest about it. I have to give them that. The only thing that I have not seen on this board is the anarchy part.

Just calling them like I see them, like you do. :)

sorry...lol scares people, not kills them. - I don't think the folks

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in the socialist videos are scary at all. Nor do I believe they literally want to kill people. Just to clear that up...lol.

Well, there goes the civility - but I think you proved a couple of points you were

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Instead of making your point the way you intended, you just came across as being what you were complaining against. You made yourself fit the very description you were saying doesn't fit.

I prefer the civility of the previous poster, no1joe or whatever the name is.

Being civil here, and with all due respect... - this post makes no sense.

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but thank you for your input... making a personal insult while prefacing it with well "there goes civility."

A bit hypocritical that.

But again..thanks for your input.

Let me be more specific - sm

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This is not accurate and not helpful:

"Socialist videos have common thread with the left posting on this board. The tea party videos that have been presented to show the whole tea party as nutjob radicals...no common thread with the conservatives posting on this board."

This ends all productive conversation.

It is accurate. The common thread in the - socialist videos is

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tax the rich and corporations are to blame for all the ills we are experiencing. Common thread of complaints on this board are the rich don't pay enough and corporations don't pay any. You are not honest if you do not see post after post after post after post from the left on this board saying the same things. That is what is known as a common thread.

The left has posted some things from far right person or two who identify themselves as tea party, saying really, I agree, ridiculous things, and intimating from that that all tea partiers are far right wingnuts. The posts here, however, by conservaties have not followed that same thread.

What ends all productive conversation is not seeing BOTH sides of this issue. All Democrats are not socialists. A great many of them are, and they post here, and the content of the posts are the same common thread as in the videos. Tea partiers also post here. They, however, are NOT like the videos that have been posted here.

Look, I am an Independent, not Republican nor Democrat. I do know a common theme when I see one. What I don't understand is why a socialist does not want to be called one.

Are all Democrats socialist? No. Are all tea partiers right wing nutjobs? No. Do a lot of socialists post here? Yes. Look at the common threads.

I guess "accuracy" is in the eye of the beholder.

Well, it's a shame we can't have a conversation on issues and not name-calling - We tried

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We're back where we started, aren't we? We tried. The differences are just too great an it apparently isn't possible to talk issues and not political parties.

What name calling? Socialist? - Socialism IS an issue.

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A serious one.

The problem is, there are more people out there in those videos - Backwards Typist

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than you think. It comes from all sides, but some are worse than others. That kid that calls his employer a dictator just because he is told how to do his job...well, I see a lot of kids with that mentality.

The one that really scares me is the college gal who wants to be a teacher. Heaven forbid....you know what she would be teaching. (She was the one on the communist/socialist video).

We really have to watch out for the serious ones who really believe it would be a better country with socialism/communism. Freedom is what this country was built on and it has to stay that way or else we'll all be in for a shipload (expletive not allowed) of trouble.

...and may I add that some posters on this board DO NOT contribute to a discussion. They only argue in 1 sentence subject posts with no facts or forever just state how the post is a lie or just spew hatred at a party. They don't post a link, facts, or even something to debate. That is not what this board is for and it's getting disgusting and out of hand. Care to agree?

See... I told you so - no1joe

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Sorry... I couldn't help myself - lol! A while back we had a conversation about how people have been worked up into a tizzy of misunderstanding regarding both sides. This is what I was talking about. Your post is right on... the games are childish. It seems like every post on here lately degrades to the point of pointing out bad behavior of morons as a blanketed representation of both sides instead of talking about the viable topic originally brought up. These videos are nothing but propaganda designed to get us nowhere except polarized. I come here to debate and get some insight into others' POV... not an argument or name calling.... if I wanted that I'd start talking to my ex (bleck). Enjoy your day.

I would love to have an actual discussion with you! - Zville MT

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I am a tea party member and a conservative, but I very much welcome debate with those who are open minded and won't resort to name-calling and generalizing. My best friend is a very left-leaning liberal (she says that she's so liberal she's almost communist - lol!) and we have great discussions about politics, the environment, dems, pubs, foreign issues, you name it and we never once call each other names or leave each other mad because of what the other said.

My only problem with this forum (and the reason I don't comment on here very often) is that the discussion too quickly turns to insults - from both sides. Healthy debate is good - I don't think any one side has all the answers, but that the answers lie somewhere in the middle - it's reaching that happy medium that's the problem.

I'm the OP and I'm happy to have a good discussion with you - with no name-calling

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I'm happy to have good discussions as long as it doesn't get down to the level of one-liners and name-calling. You have no idea how happy I am to see someone who identifies with the tea party and conservative movement who is willing to have discussion and debate, without abusing each other. Let's do it!

It gets tougher when we get specific though, LOL. We could start with tax reform, health care reform, Medicare, SS, but can we actually do it without name-calling and insults? I'll try to do my part.

Great! - Zville MT

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I'm getting ready to head out to run some errands and then pick up my kids at school, but I'll be back on here later this afternoon.

You pick the topic - anything! Hopefully we can get others motivated to discuss (agree or disagree), but to do so with respect. I notice, though, you don't have a moniker - how will I know which posts are yours?

Just call me 'Sam' - LOL

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I've got to get to work right now. Talk to you later.

Good one! LOL!! (nm) - Zville MT

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Good post. Thank you. - nm

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nm

It was about what the Boston Tea Party Did, not what they said - Not really into rallys

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The so-called Tea Party today is just a bunch of people making a ruckus. The original Tea Party was much more than that. They were bravely facing the problems we had, while today it's a great way to waste time and insult your fellow Americans. It doesn't do it for me.

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