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Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC


Posted: Jan 17, 2013

Wed., Jan. 16, 2013, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell: She had said earlier that even Americans’ “inalienable rights” may be infringed upon by the federal government, including our freedom of speech and Second Amendment rights. Her defense of her position: “Well, they can be infringed, because the First Amendment is infringed, I have to obey all sorts of regulations from the FCC, there are things we can’t say in a crowded theater, so every right also carries with it responsibilities and obligations.” Her guest was Eric Pratt (Gun Owners for America). His response: “What’s interesting about that, though, is we don’t gag people before they go into the theater, we punish the lawbreakers,” he said. “And in the same way, we would argue punish those who abuse the right, but don’t gag law-abiding citizens before they exercise their right. We shouldn’t be registering them like sex offenders, like they are in New York. We shouldn’t be in any way impeding them if they have not committed a crime.” ;

Have to say I agree with him. Andrea Mitchell is - just a tool.

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So we should have no restrictions on guns at all? - KLG

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Anything goes until a crime has been committed? Sorry, but that's crazy.

That's a stretch - sm

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We have existing gun laws. They just need to be enforced.

His analogy is perfectly stated.

No it's not. I don't see why the principles that - apply to

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drug testing doesn't apply here. The common wisdom there goes something like this. If they are law-abiding citizens with nothing to hide, then they shouldn't have a problem with registration of their guns. That's what we tell folks who are required to drug test, isn't it? After all, when it comes to unreasonable search and seizure and invasion of privacy, there is nothing more intrusive than inspection of one's body fluids without probable cause, yet it's done all the time, huh?

Universal registration is the only way for law enforcement to be able to trace the history of a gun, which can be lost, stolen, straw-purchased or acquired at gun shows and by private sales without background checks. Why wouldn't law-abiding folks want to see those loop holes closed and be supportive of enhanced enforcement? It's also the only way we can gather data to get a more accurate, clear picture of gun-assisted violent crimes such as robberies, rapes, car-jackings, home invasions, kidnapping, or any other scenarios where the mere THREAT of violence enables the crime to be carried through to completion. It stands to reason we cannot fix the problem of gun violence if we are not even allowed to define it.

Law-abiding gun owners should have no problem with that and, in fact, should be eager to dissociate themselves with the crazy clinger paranoia and subversive militia sub-mentalities currently emerging.
Is the problem that law-abiding gun owners - la
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object to registering their guns? Because I thought that has been a long-standing requirement, and that the objection now is being told what kind, how much, etc.
Forgive me. I was trying to stay on topic by addressing that part - of Eric Pratt's statement.
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What part of President Obama's 23 EOs is dictating what kind and how many? I see that there's a petition to have Dianne Feinstein tried for treason, but I hadn't heard anything about her introducing the Assault Weapons Ban just yet, have you? Did it pass while I wasn't looking?

If it does become implemented, as it has been before and, keeping in mind it was in effect for 10 years, did the world as we know it come to an end, or did the 2nd Amendment survive the storm? What I want to know is where IS all this paranoia coming from? I do not recall this much pathology surrounding the issue when it passed last time around, when Reagan endorsed it. What's different this time? Hmmmm....
loved your last paragraph - sm
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the "pathology surrounding the issue" part was my favorite. It strikes me as ironic that the same people who brandish words like "Hitler," "tyrant," and "communist" are, themselves, self-made propaganda magnets! A great way to accrue followers is to make them all heroes for the cause. For the gun lobby, this is the perfect storm. I wonder what it feels like to be the perfect target for the NRA?

gun laws and the NRA - sm

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I would be interested in your thoughts on the article I posted earlier today:
NRA defends suspected terrorists, domestic abusers who - harass, assault, murder, steal,
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threaten violence, who are attempted or actual rapists, stalkers, hostage takers, kidnappers, home invaders and trespassers, property vandals, convicted criminals and drug addicts. I could have sworn pols on both sides of the aisle condemn these illegal acts and, in the case of the GOP, more often than not have worked diligently to achieve 3-strikes, zero-tolerance enforcement, sentencing and strict parole/release guidelines. Guess I was wrong since, when it comes to arming them, anything goes.

Could any of those avid 2nd Amendment do-or-die defenders please explain the logic behind this? Anyone?

Nice to read an intelligent give and take.. I'm pretty - pragmatic. It doesn't matter how

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ideal something is theoretically, it has to work in practice.

So far a law is working well enough that idiot adolescent-type minds know playing a joke on the others in a theater will get them in big trouble.

OTOH, so far a law that performs the same function for people who want to commit a mass murder-suicide is NOT working well enough.

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