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Posted: Jun 14, 2014

I'm just venting on this subject. I've seen this episode a few times but I always like to be reminded of the protocol and procedures.

I do wish people (not just people on this board) would watch America's Book of Secrets...there is one episode from 2010 that explained what happens with the essential government officials and what to do in case of an attack by our enemies. I've seen so many people put Bush and Cheney down for "hiding" during 911. Those people are such idiots. They are so ignorant of the procedure and rules that protect essential government officials so the country can still have a government in place in case of an attack.

Most government employees not regarded as necessary to run the country are to RUN out of the complex as fast as possible, but they are given gas masks in case of a gas attack and the information is updated every so often. That surprised me (that they were told to run). You would think the other employees would also have some type of protection.

For the people who attacked Bush and Cheney over 911 procedures, I would like to ask if Obama and other essential officials in his administration would be put down for "hiding" during an attack. I doubt it. It would be a whole different story.

Thank you for letting me vent. Have a nice weekend.

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I don't think Obama would be "put down" for hiding during an attack.... - Seriously

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Because I happen to think Obama would break with protocol and do what was best for his country and tell his Secret Service agents and advisors, all due respect people, we're doing this my way.

Obama has broken with protocol many, many times saying, "the bear is loose" as he walked out of the gates of the White House. He goes and gets cheeseburgers, Starbucks, and he even recently ditched his official motorcade detail and walked to the Interior Department, talking with crowds of tourists visiting Washington D.C.

Poor Secret Service, the guy even broke protocol to see the UVa campus one time and just about sent themver the edge.

Because I happen to think Obama would break with protocol and do what was best for his country and tell his Secret Service agents and advisors, "all due respect people, we're doing this my way and not running away."

This is not frivolous conjecture on my part, it is just his normal MO. Obama has broken with protocol many, many times saying, "the bear is loose" as he walked out of the gates of the White House. He goes and gets cheeseburgers, Starbucks, and he even recently ditched his official motorcade detail and walked to the Interior Department, talking with crowds of tourists visiting Washington D.C. Well, the poor Secret Service, Obama even broke protocol in February 2014 to see the UVa campus and just about sent them over the edge (with all the campus and school shootings).

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Obama breaking protocol to grab a peak at @UVA with Holllande and @TJMonticello exec.

4:27 PM - 10 Feb 2014

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I think you're right, "it would be a whole different story," but that's because I think
Obama wouldn't hide like Bush and Cheney did on 9/11. Obama broke protocol by giving
the order to fly into the airspace of Pakistan in order to get Osama bin Laden. If this
country was attacked again, Obama would weigh the circumstances of the hard choice
he had to make, and then he'd act accordingly, just like he always does.

Wow - Really, just wow

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This post amazes me. You really believe that? Wow.

Obama makes none of the decisions, just like Bush and other presidents. To think he does and "weigh the circumstance of the hard choice he had to make".

I don't know why people don't get it. So will just have to say wow. Have fun with that.

Well, if you actually think "Obama makes none of the decisions.... - SM

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.... just like Bush and other presidents," then wow, really, just wow, and good luck to you in the ever expanding alternate universe.

When it comes to the president's safety, the president's DON'T make the decision - Truthhurts

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on what or where to go. It's up to the Secret Service and/or others in charge of their safety.

Do you think Obama would be able fly back to D.C. if he's on the road somewhere? i doubt it. He'd wouldn't be allowed, especially if the threat is to D.C. It would be pure stupidity to allow him back in the Capital.

During 911, Bush wanted to be back in D.C. but they wouldn't allow it. That's why he wound up in ND (or was it Montana?) He had no choice.

I can't believe you don't believe the protocol necessary to protect the leaders of this country!

I've got 2 words to say about this delusional version of events.... - sm

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And those 2 words are Rudy Guiliani. The mayor of New York City refused to take cover and moved toward the chaos at Ground Zero.

George W. Bush? A complete different story.

Depending on which account you believe, either Bush or Cheney gave the order authorizing the Air Force to shoot down any commercial airliner that was not responding to the order to land immediately. When Flight 93 went down, Bush thought it might have been because of his order.

Let's put on our thinking caps: Bush ordered the shooting down of commercial planes on 9/11 but was nevertheless powerless to order the actions of Air Force One?

Two more words come to mind: Alternate reality.

There's 2 more words.... - sm

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.... and those words are "revisionist history."

You said: "During 911, Bush wanted to be back in D.C. but they wouldn't allow it. That's why he wound up in ND (or was it Montana?) He had no choice.

I can't believe you don't believe the protocol necessary to protect the leaders of this country!"

Okay, I'll answer: It was neither North Dakota or Montana, and I can't believe you want to be taken seriously about the "protocol necessary" when you're asking where the President went on 9/11. Far from "protocol necessary" that day, it was clearly just being made up as they went along.

They never did get their story straight about the facts either.

There's the problem - Bush and Cheney DIDN"T HIDE - Truthhurts

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Yet articles like Media Matters, Think Progress, and all those other off-the-wall left wing blog/ so-called journals put that stupid idea in the heads of many Democrats.

Like so many say about the rabid left wingers, it's a double standard.

If 911 had happened on Obama's watch and he was in the kindergarten class, he'd be on a plane but not heading to D.C. because it wouldn't be safe. He'd be heading to any one of the designated spots and Biden would be in the safe room. But, of course, he'd get a pass by all.

Oh, I got the memo on what happened.... - sm

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Condoleezza Rice ordered Bush not to return to Washington, and he complied with her orders.

And I get that tidbit of information from that bastion of liberal journalism known as......... wait for it:

Fox News (with link to full story from The Telegraph, 09/06/2010).

He did want to return, though, but according to her, she wouldn't let him. So could he have given the order to return at any time? Ummmm, well of course he could (no brainer). He was ordering commercial airliners to be shot down, and of course he could have ordered Air Force One back to Washington at any time. Apparently, they were in chaos, running out of air in the bunker and ordering people to leave, and communicating on cell phones.

Rice said: "I think back on the number of cell phones that were probably used to communicate the most sensitive information because somebody was driving in or somebody couldn't get to a landline.

"And I think how really dangerous that was because if the terrorists were monitoring our communications, they would have heard a lot on cell phones."

So there's that answer.

True, but in all fairness, GW was more used to taking orders than giving them. - that's why

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he was in kindergarten on 9/11 and Cheney was in the War Room.

Obama never gets a pass by all - sm

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I really could care less where the president was directed or by whom. He just did whatever he was told anyhow for most of his administration until finally stood up to Cheney toward the end of his presidency.

I'm more concerned about why and how it was **allowed* to happened.

However, in searching for something else, I ran across a timeline, link below, you might want to check out. I only had a chance to scan it, but the last paragraph I found most interesting. I wonder what kind of scrutiny a Democratic president would have endured at the hands of right-wing media and Republican leaders. Republicans would have been on the president like white on rice, no matter what the circumstance.

BUSH WAS THE ONE WHO GOT A PASS BY ALL. And I'm not yelling. I use caps to emphasize the difference between your hypothetical versus the magnitude of Bush's PASS.

I am highly critical of overzealous Republicans looking for scandals where there are none. At the same time, I am highly critical of Democrats who did not search for answers that obviously needed to be answered for events where Americans were compromised by obvious incompetence and outright and proven criminal actions by The Bush Republican Administration.

Good for you... - then I'm sure you will

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be the first one to come forward and defend the prez if he moves the gvt to a safe place if we are attacked again when all the RW nut jobs are calling him a yellow-bellied coward.

And by the way, I don't think anyone had any problem with W staying safe when the s--- went down on 9/11. What was suspicious was when he was informed we were under attack and kept reading "My Pet Goat" to school children, looking either totally clueless or perhaps thinking to himself "It's happening just like Dick said it would."

Exactly correct and Bravo! To add to that - sm

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The Obama Administration would definitely take intelligence reports seriously thereby thwarting attacks on American soil, rather than ignore them as the Bush Administration did (for whatever reason... but your last sentence is probably the reason).

I am literally printing and framing your response... - Michelle

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...with the hope that you are right despite the arrogance, ignorance and pure stupidity of the Obama administration. I particularly like your word "thwarting." By God, I pray you are right.

"The Obama Administration would definitely take intelligence reports seriously thereby thwarting attacks on American soil, rather than ignore them as the Bush Administration did (for whatever reason... but your last sentence is probably the reason).

Well so far his record is better than Bush's on every front, but that's a - pretty low bar (nm)

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I don't know what "record" to which you refer, but - I would tend to disagree.

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I also disagree about your "pretty low bar." I cannot remember in my lifetime a president with the sheer number of lies as told by this president even though Slick Willie had a whopper. If you don't remember BO's lies, I'll give you just a few little hints: "If you like your plan...Period." "Not a smidgen of corruption with the IRS scandal." And then we have Fast and Furious, the NSA scandal, the VA scandal, the leave Iraq in a hurry scandal and don't pass go, don't listen to the generals...." There's more. You just have to be *willing* to open your eyes.

Let's not forget this weeks' June 11 speech where he stated - Truthhurts

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he answered a question from Tumbler and he said (hold onto your seat for this!) : The world is less violent than it has ever been."

Huh? Is he REALLY Serious about that? Good heavens, he seems to be living in a dream world.

Despite terror attacks and mass killings, most of the world is safer than ever. - sm

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This is according to a report from.... wait for it:

Fox News.

Oh, and President Obama.

I got that info from...wait for it: OBAMA himself on the video - Truthhurts

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.Not Fox News.

Let's get off the notion that everything Obama says that sounds stupid is done by Fox News. You can go to Youtube any day of the week and find some of his dumb remarks and/or flubs.

Your post is a good example giving Obama a pass all the time. There are also other posts that proves the same thing.

This is exactly what I was venting about.

You missed my point... again. - sm

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I'm sure you did get that information from the video and straight from President Obama (as did I), and then you proceeded to deride him for it, saying:

"(hold onto your seat for this!)"... "Huh? Is he REALLY Serious about that? Good heavens, he seems to be living in a dream world."

Well, actually, far from your assessment of the President, his statement is actually correct and has been widely reported in numerous publications, including even Fox News.

So my point here was not to deride Fox for stupidity, my point was that what seemed silly in my opinion was to criticize the POTUS for stating a fact. If a person criticizes the president no matter what he says, even when the president is stating a fact, maybe that's the person living in a "dream world."

My eyes are open - sm

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During Obama Administration, no country has been invaded by the USA based on lies at the expense of Americans in order to pad the VP's pockets and promote the legacy of the president (fail...major fail). Tens of thousands dead, even more maimed physically and emotionally, taxing the VA system, and destroying families, just so George and Dick can achieve their dreams, not for Americans, but for their personal gain.

Obama provided opportunity for health care for all Americans. Sorry if crappy rip-off plans didn't qualify as even close to adequate. And that is the insurance company's fault, not Obama's. But the machine says otherwise, right?

No terrorist attack has occurred on American soil that killed over 2000 and left others with residual illnesses.

As for your recitation of the right-wing pseudoscandals... that's just what they are, spoon fed by the right-wing media.

oh, and the man responsible for 9/11, who Bush "could care less" about and whose family was whisked out of the country when all other planes were grounded immediately following 9/11, Osama bin Laden, was killed by orders of President Obama.

Domestically, with no help from Congress, we are slowly digging out of the mess Bush left us with. Had Republicans not killed the jobs bill, our infrastructure would be stronger and the unemployment rate would have gone down a lot faster than it is now, and it is going down.

That's only one example, and the direction this country is taking is are easily searchable. But you have to be willing to turn off the right wing spoon feeding machine.

Do you ever wonder where we'd be if George and Dick hadn't started a war? ...guess it was inevitable, though, George said so in his first cabinet meeting after he took office.

The leave Iraq in a hurry scandal? - SM

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What part of Nouri al-Maliki rules out presence of any U.S. troops beyond 2011 is confusing? How do you get from that truth to the fabrication: "leave Iraq in a hurry scandal?"

The truth hurts, but let me tell you how it hurts the most: It hurts credibility. If everything that happens is a scandal; then nothing that happens is a scandal. Meaning, normal people outside the bubble don't believe it, and therefore everything becomes incredulous.

Really? - Truthhurts

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Under Bush, there were 12 in his 8 years, while under Obama, there were 11 in his 5 years.

Obama has 2 more years to go in his presidency. Can you guarantee there won't be more?

Don't know how that message got there. I didn't - Truthhurts

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submit it by putting in that "codes."

I was working on getting better info than what I had. Of course, it's not recognizing my password either, so I can't delete it.

I hope so, because there have been zero on American - soil

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by foreign terrorists. And we have no idea how many could have been but weren't because intelligence wasn't ignored as Bush did, for whatever reason.

Of course they had a problem. Go read up on some of the stupidity pushed - Truthhurts

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by the ignorant. I got sick of hearing how Bush and Cheney hid during the attacks and of course, I would defend this prez if we would be attacked again.

But I think the only way the RW nut jobs would be calling him that would be to say "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" . after what Bush and Cheney had to endure

Why do you bring up Bush and Cheney and 911? - This is 2014

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It's a nice sunny weekend. Time to get out and smell the roses instead of living in the past.

Perhaps to learn from the past... - Michelle

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...instead of sinking in the sand and blaming everyone else for your failures because the Messiah says it is so. Come on, time to touch base with reality.

I don't live in the past, but I do try to - learn from the past...

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I also think that when people come on this board calling the president a scumbag, a criminal, a Nazi, a communist, a dictator, the first lady is a ho and a mooch and the country is totally falling apart and is now the laughing stock of the world,someone needs to tell them to get a grip. Yeah, there have always been problems in the world or the political party you don't happen to like. Hysteria, meanness and ugly stupidity don't really help solve any of them.

This was about the show and how I wished the - Truthhurts

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LW nut jobs kept writing how Bush and Cheney HID during 911.

I was venting because they STILL write about it and comment about it in different political sites. It's ridiculous.

BTW, I do live in the present, not like some people. .

I think they do it for a number of reasons. - NPC

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One may be to rile us up. Another may be simple stupidity. Another may be simple deflection and blame because they have not been taught any other way, you know, like that "follow the leader" game we used to play as children.

Maybe you didn't hear this inside the bubble, but.... - sm

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There were quite a few conservatives who were upset with the way Bush "hid" also.

The mayor of NYC and hundreds of first responders ran toward danger. Bush ran away from it. It's called free will.

Maybe the actual "simple stupidity" is continuing to insist that the leader of the free world could not have made the choice to return to Washington, DC, at any time by merely giving the order.

I think you need to give it up and realize the REAL truth as posted herein. - sm

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Remember how LBJ was whisked away from potential danger the day JFK was killed? There is protocol to be followed in the event of potential danger to the country or to the CIC and VEEP. The same would be done for BO and JB in the event of a terror attack or any potential for disaster. You people just love to bash Bush no matter what the subject and really need to get over it.

You are inadvertently proving my point. - sm

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No, I am not one who "loves to bash Bush." You guys who love to bash Obama should take your own advice and "get over it."

Now, as for the protocol issue, I know you didn't mean to, but you're bringing up history that proves MY point. President Kennedy, Governor Connolly, and VP Johnson were all emergently taken to Parkland Hospital for immediate medical treatment. Obviously, the President died, Connolly was shot, and Johnson had no injuries, just shaken up. The Secret Service insisted Johnson leave Parkland Hospital and return to DC for his safety. LBJ refused to do it and remained at the hospital until he learned of Kennedy's condition. Upon learning there was nothing that could be done for Kennedy and of his death, Johnson remained at the hospital for another 20 minutes until he finally left for Love Field and Air Force One. He would not leave Dallas without Mrs. Kennedy, and she would not leave without JFK. They all left on Air Force One and returned to DC when LBJ gave the order, not before.

Free will. Yes, the president has it. Denying the President has free will to break protocol is beyond ridiculous.

You replied to wrong poster. - sm

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I never said the president has or does not have free will. Your last sentence must belong as a response to someone else. I did bring up the JFK situation. If you want to take credit for bringing up a point, you go for it. Do whatever floats your boat.

You answered MY post where I specifically used the words "free will." - sm

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So if you're going to answer my post discussing "free will" of leaders to make their own choices with a post that disputes it; well then, allow me to continue to use my words you are seemingly disputing! :)

I did not answer your post. - I responded to Truthhurts.

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Please get it straight.

Actually, you responded to my post. - sm

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Maybe by accident, but you did respond to my post. :) If you had wanted to respond to Truthhurts, you could have actually not replied to my post but rather actually replied to her post.

Please see: *****Example of responding to Truthhurts.

I'm straight, no problem, and please feel free to take your own advice.

You are making me laugh... - sm

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...because you must be joking. I am NPC and answered directly under Truthhurts. You can continue to play games, but I'm saying G'night.

Oops - Check your byline

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I think you need to give it up and realize the REAL truth as posted herein. - sm

Posted: Jun 16th, 2014 - 2:52 pm In Reply to: Maybe you didn't hear this inside the bubble, but.... - sm

Oops. The byline is a clickable link that takes you to the post you responded to. I don't know who you are, but each post says "In Reply to:," and you did reply to that post whether you realize it or not. :)

Yes, I responded to you because... - sm

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...you responded to me and I was answering your post. You just happen to address some issues that should not have been directed to me. They should have been directed to truthhurts. Thank you for the lessons on posting, but I am well aware of them. I really wonder…are you always this exasperating or are you trying to be funny? In any event, g'night. :-)

Just trying to be nice about it. - sm

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Note the smilies in the posts! Just trying to be nice about it rather than a jerk while explaining that you did, in fact, answer my post.

I see enough people being rude on this board, and I just don't think it's necessary to constantly be rude.

Some would call this troll behavior. - NM

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nm

Sure they would. Some people on here love playing board police. - sm

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Yes, of course, there are always the board police who are just looking to blame somebody for some infraction of the rules so that they can try to have that person censored.

A person responded to my post in this thread about Bush hiding on 9/11 by using LBJ as an example. In the response, they then proceeded to explain that they weren't responding to my post (which is exactly what they had done, even if it was only by accident). So rather than being a jerk about it, I responded with humor and smilies in order to explain this in a nice way.

I answered a question that was asked with more humor, and now you are insinuating this is somehow "troll behavior."

Thank you board police. Should I not respond to questions I am asked? Should I have responded to the question in a more rude manner?

I don't get your fascination with moderating the board and calling people names for just answering questions. :)

No one called anyone any names. - sm

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One cited behavior.

Also, it appears your "smiles" were not a part of your initial posts. Perhaps you've had second thoughts as well.

Deflection and please don't take the bait for this "troll behavior" - sm

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Some would call all these posts deflection from the fact that Bush hid during 9/11. They responded using LBJ as an example of protocol, and then that fell apart when it was explained that even LBJ broke protocol and refused to go into hiding as the Secret Service ordered.

As Bush was giving orders to shoot down commercial airliners, Bush followed orders to go into hiding. He didn't have to; he chose to.

Saying a post was not a response to a post it was a response to and changing the subject from the fact that Bush hid: Classic deflection.

Thanks for changing your post and removing your "giggles." - I guess you had second thoughts.

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Again, thank you.

*****Example of responding to Truthhurts. - nm

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I've never heard of anyone complaining about - Bush and Cheney "hiding."

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But then, I wasn't on the board during 9/11.

It's common knowledge that the president/VP are under the tightest protection in the event of an incident.

I mean really, I know that just from watching West Wing. ;)

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Aug 30, 2011
Same lies, different day. http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/29/in-new-memoir-dick-cheney-tries-to-rewrite-history/?xid=huffpo-direct ...

Dec 13, 2010
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Feb 10, 2010
Finally got my hands on a copy of Game Change. I am really enjoying the behind the scenes look at the last pres campaign. All of the candidates are presented as real human beings - flaws and all. Interesting look at conflict between Biden and Obama, the whole Edwards fiasco and Hill and Bill. And, if you are troubled by Palin's inadequacies now, you will not be comforted by reading this book. ...