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good state of union address

Posted: Jan 24, 2012

I am a responsible home owner. One of his suggestions is to allow people like me to refinance and save $3000 a year. Hope this becomes reality. Boehner licking his lips constantly. I think he felt kind of dry and needed a drink. Eric Cantor looked like he had a fecalith right at the anal verge that was worrying him terribly. Did not see any secret messages unless there was something to the fact that Joe and Boehner had coordinating blue and white ties.

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I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy despite - sm

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the jaundice guy and the colonoscopy guy.

Eric Cantor - timG

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Looks like the lovechild of the Wicked Witch and a hatchet. Perhaps a pastel cowl neck sweater under his jacket would soften his look and draw the eye downward. Incidentally, I have not had sex in 29 years.

SOTU - same old same old - More lies on top of Obama's original lies

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It was his 2008 campaign speech with some extras - no tingle for me

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He's going to tax the 1% more - yup heard that in the last campaign.

The people under 250K will pay less - yup heard that in the last campaign.

A lot of what he said tonight he promised in his last campaign he was going to do.

The arrogance to think that America is so stupid they would actually forget his last campaign promises. It's been three years and some of the issues he mentioned haven't been done. Oh wait, I forgot...he can't do anything overnight.

Yep, and it is still Bush's fault anyway, right? - Obama is a disgrace. nm

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nm

Yes, it is still Bush's fault - old and burned out

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The Bush administration policies increased the national debt by 5 trillion dollars and nearly brought down our entire financial systems. You can't correct all that in 3 years.

He supports those things - old and burned out

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and campaigns for them. Only the congress has the power to tax.

Such as auto industry rise from the ashes, 3 mil jobs, end of Iraq war - and demise of OBL?

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You must be one of those aliens from the parallel universe. Not to worry. If you were brought here as a child, serve in the miltary, and/or complete higher education, there is a path to legal status in your immediate future.

Same Old same old - onlyhuman

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He is laying the groundwork for the Muslum Brotherhood(the certain ethnic ones that usually wear mustaches and beards)to take over the toppled governments and dictators in the middle east, like Iraq, Syria, Egypt. And in the paraphrased words of the Good Witch from wizard of Oz. "They're worse than the other ones". Whats wrong with that you ask?
Do you know that the Imam propsed to be the Imam of the newly proposed
Mosque at the ground Zero site is the son of the leader of
“Muslim brotherhood” in Egypt?
Frank Gaffney, a leader of the conservative movement
for the last 30 years, charges that CPAC has come under the influence of
the Muslim Brotherhood, which is working to bring America under Saudi-style
Shariah law.

Did you know? - just read this

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Muslims do not have to go through the airport scanners. Just thought that was interesting. One of those "hmmmm" moments.

We should be minding our own business anyway, right? - me

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We're broke. We can't afford to be the big cop of the world anymore. So I really don't care about the Muslim brotherhood et. al. We've wasted too much blood and treasure in that region.

Government Motors? LOL - MT

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The US auto industry hasn't pulled a Phoenix act, especially Govt. Motors.

Nothing but a BLACK HOLE to pour taxpayer dollars into to benefit the CEO and the UNION thugs!!

Govt Motors - Exactly

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Notice how the feds protecting Govt Motors covered up the problems with the Volt? Yeah...that's a real winner for you...Obama's pick...wish you would stick to his picking his nose and stay out of the economy. Obama clueless - must have been the brain cells lost in the Coke era.

Govt Motors - HAS NOT WORKED - TRYING READING

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On GMs own stats, they HAVE NOT RECOVERED. They have NOT paid back the bailout. They moved the money around and categorized it differently to appear, on the books, that the loan was paid. Their stock is currently 1/2 of what it($52.00) was when Obama purchased it ($104.000) yeah real wise investment. Three-quarters is still owned by the taxpayer, as well as GMAC. Maybe with the billions we GAVE them, you can buy a clue and an actual thought that does not come Obama talking points.

GM has repaid all the bailout money - old and burned out

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and is now the #1 automaker in the world employing over a million workers in GM and ancillary industries. Do you want all our cars to be imported from Asia?

What would you call number one IN THE WORLD? - Face it. Auto bailout worked brilliantly!!!

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Your post is grossly misinformed. UAW workers made concession after concession to reduce GMs labor costs, and the deal they struck seems to be working beautifully. Had they not done that, it is much less likely the effort would have paid off in such a short period of time.

FYI, recent post-speech poll shows 91% approve of Obama's plan for the economy (up from the low 50s before the speech) and 82% support his plan for deficit reduction. How 'bout them apples?

Success chaps GOP hides. Go O 2012.

FYI - you're wrong again

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Do you get dizzy from all your spinning?

Top car manufacturer in the world is Toyota.

Why shouldn't UAW give concessions? Spend time boozing and smoking dope on thier breaks...real safety conscious group there.

GOP knowledge chaps your azz; spin yourself silly, well on your way. :)

Old news. Not since August 2011 according to Bloomberg et al - Read it and weep.

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Do you never tire of rooting for failure? Try a little research next time before stepping in your own FYI poop and making foolish false assertions about GOP "knowledge." The rest of the sour grapes in your post is not worthy of comment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-05/gm-tops-toyota-as-largest-automaker-on-japan-quake.html

http://www.worldcarfans.com/111080535520/dethroned-gm-overtakes-toyota-to-become-largest-automaker

http://arabiangazette.com/gm-overtakes-toyota-worlds-largest-automaker/

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20090122/AUTO01/901220406

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/4311878/Toyota-overtakes-GM-as-worlds-largest-car-manufacturer.html

Catch my drift???

auto industry - When you come down off ozone high-let us know

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According to GMs own financial records, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Pretty sure you don't bother to read, just spew.

Agree. Obama is so full of himself....and his lies.nm - :-(

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nm

citing the lies you speak of might add - some integrity to your claims

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If you have something of substance to add, present it. Otherwise, we are left to conclude that your intellectual integrity is flimsy.

Citing the lies - Not your place to judge someone's integrity

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Get some integrity for yourself in the intellectual department. Have not seen any yet from you. It would take you half the time to look up all Obama's lies yourself than continually demand others give you proof. No one owes you an explanation for what they post or why and you certainly never post anything significant or intellectual, only demand from others what you don't provide.

seek help - nm

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Joe Biden - onlyhuman

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Joe Biden reminds me of Lex Luther in those old Superman movies, the actor Gene Hackman played so well...of a power hungry loose lipped idiot who would stop at nothing to rule the world or have some part in ruling the world.

What? The only power he has is Senate vote tie-breaker - which is never needed nm

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Tie breaker - never needed - Wrong again

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Evidently, you know nothing of American history or congressional votes. The tie breaker has been used. Must be one of the fact so many on this board ignore or are just ignorant of, AGAIN!

In recent history, very, very, very rarely. sm - VTMT

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The last VP to cast a tiebreaking vote in the senate was Walter Mondale under President Jimmy Carter and that was only one time.

Here is a list of tiebreaking votes since George Washington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Biden has used the tie breaker vote ZERO times. - sm

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This would lead any rational human being to conclude that, within the context of this thread, which falsely presumes that Biden is a power monger, Biden has derived ZERO power from this VP function during his tenure as presiding officer over the senate. In other words, during the 111th and 112th congress, the tie-breaker has not been needed, as previously observed. He has, however, represented the US at a number of funerals, another of the very few VP "powers."

I am perfectly aware that the tie-breaking vote has been used in the past by 35 VPs, 244 times in all. John Gardner used it 3 times as did Charles Curtis and Daniel Tompkins. Henry Wallace, James Sherman and Levi Morton used it 4 times. William Wheeler and Elbridge Gerry used it 6 times. Hannibal Hamlin used it 7 times. Alben Barkley and Thomas Marshall used it 8 times. John Breckenridge used it 9 times. George Clinton (no relation) used it 10 times. Schuyler Colfax and Richard Johnson used it 17 times. George Dallas used it 19 times.

So within the context of this thread, who among these VPs went on to gain unmatched megalomaniacal powers on the order of Lex Luther? How may of these guys have you even ever heard of?

Bottom line. In my recent memory, Biden's vice presidency, as compared to his predecessors, has been rather benign, in terms of the power grab, dontcha think? Before answering, keep in mind that one only has to revisit his immediate predecessor's tenure to encounter the global terrorist/war criminal behind-the-scenes bunkered down VP who manifests a true and not so comical personification of Lex Luther incarnate. Heck, he even had a hard time distinguishing the difference between a human face and his targeted prey during that disastrous testosterone-driven hunting incident. Whatta guy, whatta guy.

OP said it was NEVER used - You're too verbose - didn't bother to re

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Instead heaving the old dictionary, maybe you should read tHe OP first. Poster said was NEVER used, which is not true.

I AM the OP. - Hence,

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I felt further clarification was in order since the reply demonstrated a certain degree of comprehension deficit.

I did not say it was never USED. I said it was not NEEDED. I then proceeded to employ my first-amendment-protected right to be as verbose as I please to illustrate my point (that Biden has never used the "power" of the tie-breaker), and to add the Cheney-by-comparison Lex Luthor afterthought, which I think served the purpose well. Yes, some VPs do have Lex Luthor aspirations. Biden is not one of them.

Oh, BTW. If you didn't bother to read the post (probably out of fear you might actually encounter some valid points or irrefutable facts not covered in your party's talking points manual), then your admonishment instructing me to read the OP (which I authored) makes you look downright silly (or just a tad hypocritical), doesn't it? Parting shots in drive-by attacks often have that effect. Just sayin...

PS: I'm old and while I have heaved my share of dictionaries in the past, particularly during the years I was building MT skills, I have not needed to do so in at least the past 25 years....especially when anwsering impotent and ill-informed personal attacks, necessitated by partisan cognitive impairments so often manifested on this board. I can refute those nonsequiters in my sleep.

To polytick - been there with the "re-fi" - me

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The refi ain't gonna happen for you - we tried it also - a loan modification, etc - they have guidelines that indicate it's only if you did a refi back in 2009-2010 that you can do this re-re-fi (LOL)....then you submit eons of paperwork, they tell you you don't have enough money for backup. Then they tell you to wait another 3 months and submit another statement of profit and loss or paychecks...then you make too much money but wait, we can try this....it is a bunch of B.S. and we tried for almost 8 months to get it done before I finally just withdrew my application. Not even worth the headache. If you are a legal citizen, you can forget the government helping you in any way, shape or form.

It was a good address. Lots to think about. - Thinking

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I think much of what he said was food for thought to all Americans. Much of it was what he thought people wanted to hear. I do not think Obama is a disgrace to our country, the rest of the political process has done that for us of late. Republicans have stated they just do not want to allow Obama to do anything until he is "out of office." How do they know he will be?

As for the state of the economy, at least he did not get up there and tell a bold-face lie and say repeatedly, "The American economy is strong," as GWB did when he knew differently. GWB had build a house of cards that fell when he closed the White House door on his way out regarding the banks, the auto industry, the housing industry, 2 wars, the weapons of mass destruction, and the unemployment crisis. This did not just happen in the last 3 years. Why has no one taken a look at lost revenue from off-shoring in all affected industries, and forced companies to come clean.

No, I do not believe Obama is responsible for the shape our country is in, and there is no way that ANYONE is going to fix it in the NEXT 4 years either, much less accomplish it all in the last 3, no one could.

I think the govenor's rebuttle speech was an embarrassment to the Republican party and the American people. Just how stupid do they think we are? I am not saying NO republican can turn this country around, but I do not think it will be Newt or Mitt. It is going to be a long-haul process for anyone, and I do think Obama is headed in the right direction.

As I have said before, do you really think a person with integrity and honesty could/would make it to the White House as president, dem or repub, or even Congress for that matter? Take a look at your politicians, what they stand for, their voting history, their accomplishments, and their failures. Do not base your opinions on 1-2 speeches that you hear, or the mud slinging that goes on between the parties. It is a little scary, as you will see that well-qualified people simply do not want to be president, and I can't say I blame them.

Thinking - Better think again

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BO does nothing but lie. I guess there are few peopel that BO still gives a tingle up their leg to. Too bad Dems did not follow the last 2 lines of your post. Obama is NOT honorable and has done nothing but lie. Not sure what speeches you are listening to, but it certainly is not the ones Obama's been giving for the last several years. Obama is only headed in the right direction if you want a European, socialist style government. Those that actually want freedom and want to follow the Constitution, know you don't follow Obama.

Better think again? - Don't need to.

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Do you not believe that ALL politicians lie, cheat, and steal? I think that is how they get where they are actually.

What freedom restraints have you suffered? How has the lack of constitutional guidelines affected you? How would the current legislation, passed or not, ruin your life?

Honestly, republicans were in office for 8 years. Obama has been there for 3. What we are doing is not working!! And the message to be gleaned from this is that if We The People went to work every day at our jobs - and did not actually do our jobs, we would be gone. The same should hold true for Congress.

Better think again - Pretty clear you do not

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Read Obamacare...nothing to do with health care. Pretty sure you won't bother.

So you think it's okay that he lies because - - "ALL politicians lie"

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Thanks for clearing that up.

Who cares that republicans were in for 8 years because before him democrats were in for 8 years. Three years is a long time - It's not "overnight" anymore.

I do agree with your last sentence. If we did not do our jobs we'd be gone and so should congress (and I don't care what party they belong to - if they don't do their jobs they were elected to do they should be gone)

Oh no, I did not say it was okay that all politicians lie. - sm

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I said they ALL lie, cheat, and steal, and that is how they get to where they are. So it is funny to me that I see, he lies, he lies, he lies. Do ya think? This is really a given. They ALL die. No I do not think it is okay, but it is what it is.

Not okay all pols lie - to sm

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You can write it a 15 trillion times and people on this board will still not get it. They only read what they want, and twist everything else. Just check out the posts here the last few days.

The rebuttle - sm

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Even in their rebuttle, the republicans admit that the state of our economy "is not his fault," (speaking of Obama). They had 8 years, and look what happened. Oh, but even the republicans have stayed as far away from George Bush as they can get. They are all probably in agreement with most of what Obama is trying to do in repairing the damage, they are just afraid that the millionaires/billionaires are going to have to pay their fair share just like everyone else. They no longer refer to themselves as "the rich," but the "job creators." Really? For who, China, India, the Philippines?

Be careful what you wish for.

Rebuttle - NOT

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Notice you left out all the Dems fleeing from Obama. Job creators I will take any day of the week over a socialist pres tt thinks he has the right to determine what is "fair share". I don't think 75% on this board give their fair share, and I want half what they have. That is what BOs policy sinks to. Your post is just more of the talking points. No substance, no fact.

Dems fleeing - mbmt

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What makes you think Democrats are fleeing from President Obama? What makes you think President Obama is a socialist any more than you are? What is it about this president that scares you so much?

Dems fleeing -mbmt - for the millionith time

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I am not looking up anything for you. You have a computer, turn it on, go to Google research it yourself. You will find the Dems that were "too busy" to meet up with Obama during their campaings. Obama HIMSELF has repeatedly stated he embraced and sought out Marxism - where do you think socialism comes from. Obama has repeatedly revered Alinsky - what do you think he was? Then there are the Communist conferences Obama attended, but downplayed when revealed. This president is scary for anyone that actually bothers to check him. Google it, Bing it, Yahoo it. You can also go to the library. Since I know what socialists are and that Obama is one and I am not, pretty easy for me to tell the difference. Evidently others on this board, not so much.

Library - mbmt

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It surprises me that you would suggest that I go to a library to get information. Wouldn't that be embracing socialism?

Library-Look up "socialism" while you're there-evidently gave you way to much credit - Assumed your IQ reqistered higher than the temp

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Socialism smocialism - mbmt

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See you on here election day when President Obama is reelected.

socialism smocialism-get some more kool-aid - You appear to be suffering from dehydration

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Incoherencey, rambling, confusion, delusional thought, lack of cohesive verbal skills. Not bothering with anymore of you posts. Whenever someone confronts you with facts or strong support of their position, you respond with stupid, nonsensical posts. Not wasting anymore time...added to the list of NOT WORTH READING posts.

Gee, you said that a couple of weeks ago - mbmt

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And here you are once again reading and responding to my posts.

page 26 paragraph 2 - Beck's greatest quotations

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Its a classic worth repeating.

Can you add me to your list of posts not worth reading too! - Please

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Not the OP, but it is exhausting just reading your self-serving posts, your insults, and your constant cut-down of the democratic party. So you have all this useless knowledge, big deal.

May I please be put on your list of posts that you do not consider worth reading?

Incoherencey, rambling, confusion, delusional thought, etc. - I think that about covers it

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I am so sick of this tiresome, insulting individual and her lunatic posts.

Me too, is there a sign-up list somewhere I am not aware of. - I want to be on it.

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I feel a little sorry for her, but not much because she is so insulting. I just don't think she gets it, and I am a little embarrassed for her, but she just doesn't take a hint.

If there is a way to get on her list of posts she does not respond to, I will sign up!!

Another lib drive by - car pooling now - Due to Obama gas prices

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Flame on, which will be easy if you picked Obama's VOLT.

Shecky Beck - long time no see

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nm

verbal skills? - mbmt

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Do you think you hear my voice inside your head? Just asking...

socialism...looks like your library malfunctioned - sm

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Socialism does not derive from Marxism. In fact, it is the other way around. Socialism predates Marxism as far back as the ancient Greeks. The smallest amount of actual research would have made this plain to you.

indeed! - here's to facts over spurious notions!

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I wonder why people think they can just say anything?

socialsim, marxism, communism - All end up in the same place

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IF YOU bothered to do any research, even the tiniest amount, you would find out none of these end up well for anyone other than the political elite...like let's say....Obama, Clintons, Soros...yeah, that group.

misinformation - kerleyb

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You keep promising to "not bother" to read posts yet here you still are. How can we miss you if you dont go away? Your friend.

so you change the subject now? - don't talk to me in caps

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Don't talk to me in caps - Until socialist, communists and marxists take over

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TALK TO YOU ANY WAY I CHOOSE. You need to get your posters straight - Did not write what you gave me credit for, but after seeing some of your posts, I wish I had.

you are scary - please go away

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I don't know who you think I am, or who you think I was talking to. I can hardly understand your post Your ideation is alarming.

Not - Really? - Wow

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Just what sort of substance or facts are you looking for? Perhaps something you can google or run to a dictionary for? Please!

So you will take the "job creators" (what a joke), any day? Do you realize that you fatten their pockets and pay for their greed. I don't believe asking a billionaire to pay their "fair share," whatever that is determined to be, is socialist. Perhaps you can go Google what the "job creators" do contribute. Mitt's tax return was just publicized. No, I do not think that a socialist would ask him to cough up even a fairer share.

You state, "Your post is more talking points, no substance, no fact." - ??????

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Excuse me? My dear, people do not debate facts. They discuss their "talking points" as you call them. So, discussing the SOTU address is not enough substance or fact for you? You may certainly have your opinions about whatever you consider substance or facts. Why don't you try that instead of looking to debate a written fact somewhere that you look up, but do remember, there is always another point of view.

rebuttal - poly

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Was a bit heavy on the doom-and-gloom, but I found myself actually willing to listen to his viewpoint because he was not frothing at the mouth or tearing at his hair shirt. Glimmer of hope?

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because the company had begun limiting each worker to only 6 minutes in the bathroom PER DAY. They had also installed swipe cards that timed the breaks. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? ...

Oct 31, 2015
Very interesting. ...

Mar 09, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/08/wisconsin-governor-proposes-union-compromise-e-mails/?test=latestnews Man, does it kill me to post this but I would love some feedback on this story. I heard the news in my car today and I could not believe it. The newscaster was trying to spin this as a good thing, but I know once Walker starts giving in the democrats are not going to stop until Walker gives them everything. It seems to me Walker had the upper hand ...

Feb 28, 2011
http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-assault-wisconsin-union-video-2011-2 This is just ONE reported story. Others are starting to surface. So, I suppose some of you who talk about the TEA Party as if they are villians will find some excuse for this behavior? The union rhetoric is encouraging violence against others.... and yes, this reporter was from Fox, but all he was doing was reporting the story when he got punched in the arm. ..... hypocrites! ...

Nov 30, 2010
Don't know how we can ever have bipartisanship when the parties can't even agree among themselves, and yes I mean BOTH parties. There is infighting on the Republican side too. I was kind of surprised to see Steny Hoyer suggesting the military should be included in that freeze, though. If the freeze ever happens...since the union has bucked up. Ain't politics grand?? ...

Dec 31, 2012
...on parties and conferences! While city public-school teachers have gone without a new contract or regular pay raises for three straight years, their union, its staffers and political cronies have been living large off their union dues, a Post review found. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/big_penders_at_teach_union_nqPRUrH7Qbe15RSAXzMRyN?utm_source=SFnewyorkpost&utm_medium=SFnewyorkpost ...

Feb 27, 2015
I was brought up in an upper Midwest rural microcosm known as "a small town". In my small town there was culture and economic class that was highly visible in a very personal way. There were the surrounding farms and ranches. These people were hardworking, average, normal people that kept the whole regional economy running. The town had the main street small businesses. The doctors and bankers at the top level, the business owners at the next level, the clerks and w ...