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Posted: Feb 21, 2012

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That is so ridiculous.. LOL. If you dont want to - pay for your own birth control,

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dont work for a catholic institution! I would not expect them to cover it. I respect religion even though I myself am not religious.

Thank you - they don't get it!... - Pay for your own way! NM

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Birth control - imo

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I dunno. An institution that has rather significant incidences of child abuse and they want to complain about providing birth control? What? Are they afraid to whittle down the "dating" pool? Gimme a break. Wonder how many priests get Viagra filled at no cost to them?

Birth control - to imo - Pretty clear you "dunno" SM

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Unless your completely insensitive comment regarding children that have been molested as the "dating pool" was supposed to be your sick attempt, and I mean sick attempt at inappropriate humor at the expense of a molested child. Yeah, real class act.

Birth control - your comment is so disgusting - Hope moderator bans you -sM

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Afraid of the truth? - nm

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why so bizarre grasshopper - Just disgusting comments by you - nm

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at the expense of molested children. Twist it all you want to try and make yourself look better. You got the stink of this comment all over you; since you can make a statement that twisted at the expense of abused children, I'm sure you will wear it proudly.

Birth control - guaranteed this smarmy - comment came from a lib - SM

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Catholic institutions and employees - sm

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Nobody seems to get this, but Catholic institutions will not be forced to pay for birth control for their employees. Rather, Catholic hospitals and universities cannot limit access to birth control to the communities they serve. It's a matter of public health. Big difference.

Religious freedom - Zville MT

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also means the government cannot compell you to pay for something you don't believe in and pretend it's for "basic rights." And yes, we will all end up paying for it - do you really believe the insurance companies will provide this for free? Any woman can get birth control completely free already - go to any clinic or health department - If that doesn't work for you, ask your doctor for samples (yes, they have them, you just have to ask).

This is about government control - make no mistake. I'm just wondering what's next.

No, it's about the Catholic Church running - sm

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the country, the same thing they were afraid of with Kennedy, only now it's true. And the man is telling us all that HIS religion will dictate the laws of this nation.

I have an idea: If you don't believe in birth control, be strong enough to NOT TAKE IT!

How is the Catholic church running the country? - Zville MT

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Just because they won't provide birth control?

I'm not Catholic and I've taken birth control for years, but I've also paid for it myself - I don't see why everyone else can't do the same. Why is this even an issue? Where does the government get the power to do this?

Just wait. If Santorum wins, there will be a LOT - sm

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of rights that women will lose. He's going back to the stone ages in his beliefs, and he will try to force the entire country back there, too, simply because of HIS religious beliefs, and that's WRONG!

Just wait. If Santorum wins, there will be a LOT - sm - Shows you are not familiar with Santorum's vo

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all through Congress, otherwise, these generalized wide-sweeping, erroneous comments would not be posted.

Santorum (ahem, Male Bachmann) - wornout w/ closed-minded

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If one honestly believes Santorum is sane and will protect women's health, here ya go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/19/santorum-phony-theology_n_1287475.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

Insurance not paying for amnio???? Pls let me go back to the days where my hubs can drag me by my hair after clubbing the big wooly mammoth.

Oh RIIIIGHHT - The huffington post - SM

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As if there is any legitamcy there. Yeah, no hidden agenda with HuffPo.
This source is so funny, hard to believe poster is serious.

Do you know what quote marks mean? - Direct quote...sm

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If you want me to find the source sound bite, just holler. I'll oblige gladly. Pull your head out of the sand and try to listen to both sides. I've never voted straight ticket-EVER-and I've voted in every election since I've been old enough to do so. I base my votes on which one makes most sense for the long-run, so I'm definitely not a "brainwashed" Dem.

Yeah do you - Pull your head out

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And there they go. Could not make it through a criticism of beloved HufPo without the claws coming out. I doin't want you to "find" anything for me. Nothing but "brainwashed" garbage. Yeah for you voting process. "Pull your head out of the sand" and get some fresh air.

Feel better about yourself now? - Ostrich..NOT

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I love to hear different opinions and discuss issues, but I try not to personally attack anyone. I'm curled up w/ my blanket, cat, and husband, and I have to tell you that I'm quite comfortable w/ myself. Hope you won't get frostbite or have your stick removed abruptly.

Feel good about myself, sure do - Angry much, bitter much -seems so

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Yeah right, no personal attacks. While sitting there pulling your stick and the burrs you have up there, try polishing your halo. You're loosing your luster :)

Back to an arguement made by another poster... - Zville MT

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Same thing was said about Kennedy. I don't even know why religion is talked about during a campaign - it's so irrelevant! Do you really think if Santorium wins the WH that he can just click his fingers and magically take the country back to the "stone ages," as you put it? I know a lot of republicans that don't agree with him, so I feel pretty confident that this is just a nonissue.

Please share the names of the "lot" of - sm

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"republicans that don't agree with him."

Give us the names of - those that do not -NM

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I mean personally, so no, I won't be sharing thier names on here. (nm) - Zville MT

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Do you honestly believe, though, that every republican thinks like he does? If that's the case, I can deduce that because Obama is against gay marriage, all dems are too.

That's just silly, right?

it sounds like you live - rural

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so number of republicans who are for Sant is undoubtedly not representative of general population of the nation

Uh-huh. - nm

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How convenient! - nm

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Govt has no power - for this- sM

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Unfortunately, most on here have no idea what the Constitution says, let alone how it impacts all people by the government forcing you to do something. They will probably never get it until this slippery slope reaches their lives directly, and they are forced (check out Obamacare) to do something they do not want to. I'm not Catholic, have taken BCP and no one paid for mine either. Why should I be forced to pay for BCP and other services because someone is actually to lazy to even ask their doctor for samples? PP would help them out, but I guess unless someone makes an appointment for them, picks them up, drives them to a clinic or health department, and then tells the doctor/clinic what they need, some on this board act like they are so helpless or incapable of taking care of even their own most basic, personal needs. I take care of mine, let everyone else take of theirs. Just too lazy or feel too entitled to it, it seems, to even take care of the basics anymore.

I know what the Constitution says, particularly - sm

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the 14th Amendment that applies to citizenship (no embryos or fetuses mentioned anywhere).

Once Santorum gets in there, the Republican party will definitely agree with Santorum since they're not out to help everyday Americans. My God, they already held a HEARING on this matter and wouldn't let any women speak.

With the current makeup of the Supreme Court, I think the Supreme Court, as usual, will agree with the Republicans, and just watch Roe v. Wade flow down the drain.

Santorum is dangerous for women. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

What half of the brain are - you missing? SM

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You are dangerous to humanity in general.

Stop the personal attacks - says the moderator! nm

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personal attacks - -----read this - sm

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Well then, by all means go back to OP who said this:

"Santorum is dangerous for women. Anyone with half a brain can see that."

Merely asking which half she was missing...BTW, follow your own advice.

Childish - nm

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Childish nm - why respond then grasshopper

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this needs lots of rethinking - sm

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I'm a little surprised by some of your assertions. I am not aware that women can get free birth control at "any" clinic or health department, but if that is the case, we are certainly paying for this with our taxes: There are no bake sales to finance birth control, to my knowledge.

But "ask your doctor for samples" absolutely throws me! You should know by now that not all drugs are sampled. You should also know that a sample is not a free, continual supply.

Most importantly, though, you forget that the problem we are having here in the U.S. is that many, many women DO NOT HAVE doctors due to poverty, lack of insurance, etc. Thus, "ask your doctor" sounds a little elitist to me.

The problem in question here is that the Catholic church does not provide birth control in thier ins - Zville MT

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So if you work for a Catholic school or charity, etc, you can't get birth control paid for by the insurance plan. This has nothing to do with those that are poor. Yes, you can get free birth control pills at any health department or clinic, such as Planned Parenthood. Yes, this is paid for with taxes, but it is not a compulsion - there's no law that says tax money has to go to these places (therefore, money can be taken away).

What this is about is the government telling an insurance company what they must provide and that they must provide it for free, which goes against the beliefs of the Catholic doctrine. You may not agree with it (I certainly don't), but who are we to tell them they can't have those beliefs honored? It's birth control being mandated today, what's tomorrow?

As far as being elitist, I'm assuming that those that have insurance (which is the jest of the arguement) have doctors and yes, samples can be a free, continual supply. My neighbor gets samples of her birth control from her OB/GYN, 12 packs every year when she goes for her check up. My doctor has offered them to me before, but I can get my script filled for $7 a month and I don't want to change pills. Sorry if that sounds elitist to you, but you'd be surprised at the "freebies" you can get if you just ask.

This problem has already been solved by Obama. - sm

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Why are people on this board acting as if it's still an issue?

Not solved at all - Just more demands by Obama -sm

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Obama did not solve the problem. As usual, - he only CREATED one. nm

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civic participation vs religious convictions - sm

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There are some religions that do not approve of blood transfusions, and some that do not believe in medical intervention at all. Yet, these individuals buy into health insurance without demanding special dispensations.

On another note, I have no children, but cannot opt out of education taxes. Nor would I want to, for education - just like healthcare - is a part of the American infrastructure that we place value on and commit to supporting.

I do not believe that children should be given drugs. I can choose not to give my children drugs, but I cannot opt out of this part of my insurance simply because my point of view differs from public health policy.

The main difference here is the constitution. - Zville MT

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You have a constitutional right to religious freedom - not civic participation.

Look at it this way - think of something you have a deeply held belief in (religious or otherwise) and then imagine the government telling you that you have to live your life against that belief. How would that make you feel?

don't see the equation - sm

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I don't see how a public health policy makes anyone "live against" their beliefs.

Look at it this way: You live in a country that has established certain parameters for public health. If I disagree with those parameters, I can try to change them on a legislative basis - not a religious one.

No one is forcing Catholics to practice birth control, and if they want to live in a society that does not embrace birth control, they are free to find one. This is not about the free exercise of religion.

Youcouldn't be more right! - sm

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I have my beliefs, and there isn't a person alive that can force me to NOT believe that way.

The difference here is that the Catholic Church is trying to force THEIR religion down everyone's throats. If Santorum gets elected, you can bet a LOT of rights for women will change, too. Back to the stonages!

don't see the equation - and therein lies your problem -sm

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At no time has the Catholic Church infringed on your life and demanded or forced you to do or not do something. Obamacare does exactly that and is in direct conflict with 1st amendment. Zville has great points, but this board is lacking in knowledge regarding the 1st amendment, and shows no desire to research the true meaning. It is like trying to push a boulder uphill to get posters to even make an effort to understand what the 1st amendment is and the history behind it.

I don't have a problem - sm

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The First Amendment protects the free exercise of religion for individuals - NOT government entities. Thus, if we are framing public health policy, it has to be on a nonsectarian basis. That's it.

I don't have a problem - sm - Read it again-still missing it-sm

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Church and church affiliates are NOT government entities, nor is any other employer that does not believe in forced payment of BC or abortions by the government. Try reading the whole amendment including the "practice thereof" in the manner the person or church is led by their faith beliefs. There is no framing of publich health policy by Obama; just directives which can be changed at any time by HHS without notice or public or congressional approval/vote/input. Apparently no reading/comprehension of Obamacare posters either. That's it.

As you say... - sm

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"Church and church affiliates are NOT government entities". I agree. And that is why the church does not have the final say on public health policy.

I don't believe participating in an insurance program with others prevents anyone from practicing their beliefs. That is my opinion. We disagree.

I wish, though, that you would think twice before impugning someone's comprehension.

Still wrong and will say - it again -SM

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The church is not dictating any public health policies to anyone. They are stating their right, as a relgion, what they believe. I am not at all in agreement with paying for anybody's BCP, abortions, etc., but I am being forced to and dictated to by Obamacare. Still there is a comprehension problem on this board, spin it anyway you want.

If they don't believe in it, then they shouldn't USE IT!! - nm

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such thick heads on this board - Has nothing to do with use

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for the millioneth time...it has nothing to do with use or access. It has everything to do with the govt. FORCING things on the public that they are not empowered to FORCE, by dictating to them what those things will be, with disregard for the Constitution. Never saw such a bunch of stubborn, thick-headed people that refuse to investigate the Constitution. If you do not want to use BCP, then don't. If you want to use BCP, no one stops you and you have access through several sites that multiple posters have listed and already 98% of the women admit they use them and had no problems getting them. But pay for the dam pills yourself and any other reproductive crap you want, and keep you hands off my money and the beliefs of the churches. What's next, being forced to pay for someone's sex change, penis implants/enhancements?? If you are too stupid to handle your own birth control, you are too stupid to have sex.

I think it's well understood that - no one is too stupid to have sex

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If 98% of women use birth control pills and have no trouble getting them, you can color me astonished.

Religious freedom - Conservative

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Perfect example of why government needs pared down. Government should not be in 90% of the things they are; all they ever due is bankrupt whatever they touch. Check the post office, Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid; their list of failures is endless. There is no way the Federal government should be mandating anything, especially health. I need to copy a few things for you that are coming with the Obamacare that will negatively impact all of us regarding someone we care about. Posters on this board will not understand the ramifications of this until it hits them where it hurts. You hear all kinds of ranting about Canada, and how wonderful that system is. Sad part is, almost all documentation about the success of their healthcare comes from the government - no spin there. Canada also does not tell you that there is a 30% MD shortage, and that approximately 75% Canadians, in addition to the "free healthcare" offered by the government, have to carry additional policies to cover what the free care does not. Canadians say they spend less on healthcare than American; what they do not tell you, it has a lot to do with the government refusing care, refusing procedures and tests and the patient has no way to get them - hence the decrease in costs. The point of all of this is, nothing is free.

interesting points - wacky lib

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I agree that government should stay out of most things. I am in favor of healthcare reform, but am not in favor of the fed mandating the purchase of any product. Sticky wicket.

Wacky lib - Conservative

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Agree. Government stepped way over their bounds here. Watched the whole Obama Show on cable when he had his fake exchange of ideas for healthcare. Ryan (a did others) repeatedly tried get tort reform, and Obama cut him off, spoke very rudely and made it known no ideas other than what Obama supported were going to be viewed, let alone considered in any way. Obama talked almost non-stop through this exchange. I watched the broadcast and it was clear, Obama did it for the cameras. Hope the SC shoots the whole thing down. What I find interesting on here, is not one single poster that supports Obama will address how Obamacare completely guts Medicare, eviscerates it, denying the elderly care unless they get pushed onto Medicaid, which also has severe restrictions on the treatment of the elderly.

P.S. Love your moniker.

OP, I'm with you and millions of other - US women

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Just had a heated discussion on this topic w/ a relative Sunday. Her view was simply, "If you want birth control covered by insurance, then you need to choose to work for an entity not owned by the Catholic church." I see where she's trying to go, but here are my issues:

*First off, I live in an impoverished state where ppl breed generations who depend on our tax $ for their livelihood. If we can stop that govt assistance pipeline, wouldn't be in our best interest? I hate to break the news to taxpayers who don't want their $ going for birth control, but 1) I'd much rather pay for BC than a child for 18 yrs and then their child, etc., etc., and 2) Medicaid already pays for abortion.

*I have Cath friends, some who work for Cath entities, & I've worked for many Cath docs. I've never heard one of the docs turn down a req for BC, and I know for a fact that my friends take BC. I personally find the doctrine archaic, but IMHO, the bottom line is if you don't want BC, either don't do the deed or expect a kiddo in 40 weeks.

Hoping I was coherent, but I have several thoughts swirling about this debate.

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