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Vacationing and celebrating the hardships people face


Posted: Mar 28, 2013

Big differences:

A lot has been discussed below regarding vacations and comparisons, so thought I’d do a bit of my own research and here is what I’ve found. 

Here is what is wrong:

The Obama’s incessant vacations in times where the country is suffering is just wrong and sends the wrong message not only to the people of this country, but to the world.  the country is not on the upslope.  We are facing some serious problems.  We are facing bankruptcy, unemployment rising, people are losing their jobs, homes, insurance, everything and he decides to keep going on more vacations, and not low key ones.  While they tell the country we need to sacrifice (and told to take a “staycation”) they take elaborate vacations, and not just one.  The difference I found when looking up Bush’s vacations and Obama’s vacations are pretty clear.  When the country suffered Bush did not go on a vacation, and if he was on a vacation he ended it to get back to the office, and Laura would come with him.  Unfortunately, Obama likes to celebrate the suffering of so many Americans and the failing of the country by going on a vacation.  And at that he’s not content to take a low profile vacation like to Camp David, maybe take the girls on a sightseeing trip of the United States (Delaware and other states are full of history), no, he has to have high profile $1000 a night (and up) vacations that are costing the Americans more in taxes.  They once stated "we don't give each other Christmas gifts.  We go to Hawaii".  Well O's, you mean you take the taxpayers money to go to Hawaii.  You don't pay for it yourselves.  

Do we have a right to say anything?  OF COURSE WE DO.  It is our tax money that is being spent for their pleasure.  They need to take a little bit of their own advice and take a “staycation” just like they tell us to do.  That is called “leading by example”.  They need to become a little more humble and act like the servants to the people that they are.  ALL presidents are (he is no different than any other president when they accept the position).  They are supposed to be our servants, not the other way around. 

In the article below this says it quite well:

“How does it look to the people on the gulf coast when they see their President whooping it up in Hawaii or wherever, while their livelihood is drowning in oil slicks? How many vacations do you think FDR took during WWII? How many did President Bush take after WTC attacks? This country is facing more crisis's than any other in recent memory. It requires a president who sets an example for the rest of the country. President Obama is supposed to be our leader. He simply doesn't understand he is not a community organizer any longer. When most Americans are unable to take vacations, he goes to the beach to have fun with his family.”

“Obama's attitude needs to change toward his job as a part-time President. Obama needs to just do his job. That is plain and simple as I can make it. It is not only about timing that is a problem for his vacation time. It is about appearances as well. He gives off the notion he is an elitist, a snob of the highest order. He is so much above it all. Obama is in love with himself. There were many people who were in love with him in 2008. That was then, this is now. President Obama needs to stop fiddling while America burns.”

http://writer-david.hubpages.com/hub/Obama-Vacation-Days

As if it is not bad enough that he boasts around spending tax payers dollar for his pleasure, Michelle has now taken it upon herself in her Marie Antoinette attitude to take separate vacations and continuous ones.  People have commented that she needs to detox herself from this addiction.  The tax payers dollars are not supposed to be for her own personal pleasure gratification.

Spain - cost tax payers over $467,585.

Hawaii – over $100,000 (just so she could leave a couple days before her husband).

Aspen – $1 million.

Africa – $432,142.  In which MO listed her daughters as “Senior Staffers”.  Two problems with that.  1.) They are not old enough.  2.) She provided false information on an official document.  But at least this way she wouldn’t have to pay for their share of the ticket, why pay for something you should pay for when you can get the tax payers who are going hungry and losing their homes pay for your pleasure.

Martha’s Vineyard – She cost the tax payers $100,000 to leave a couple hours before her husband.  And she did this even after she was criticized for doing it in Hawaii.  Is she really that stupid that she cannot learn a lesson.

This is not why we pay taxes, so she can take it and self-gratificate herself. 

No wonder why they are now being called the Kardashians of DC.

There are other factors that go into all this:

  1. All that jet-setting can’t be good for the environment.
  2. She should not be spending our tax money on herself without her husband being there.
  3. All presidents take vacation time and deserve it, but not on this scale.

Most importantly, this is a time of unrest for the American people.  While the Obama’s are spending our money frivously, American’s are losing their jobs, homes, retirement, health insurance, children’s programs are being cut, and now children with pre-existing conditions will not be covered under the healthcare bill, all while they continue to celebrate and show the whole country just how lavish their vacations are. 

It’s a really pretty simple concept really, if you want to go on vacation, you pay for it yourselves.  OUR tax money is supposed to be for defense programs, social security payments, Medicare/Medicaid, support programs for families facing hardships, the debt, and other programs for the country and people.  OUR tax money is not supposed to be so you can go sip on expensive vodka in $2000 a night hotel rooms and go to the beach and gallivanting all over the world.  You want to do that, you pay for it.  Live within your means.  Some families take one vacation a year and most families can’t even afford that.  Why?  Because instead of being able to save our money for a vacation for ourselves we are sending it in in the form of higher taxes, which is being stolen to self gratificate yourself.  You want to go on a date night, YOU pay for your date night.  YOU pay for all your “bling”.  That’s not why we pay taxes.  It's no different than what is going on in other countries where they just come in and take what is not theirs.

Do something good for this country, instead of yourselves Mr. & Mrs. O.  You are not entitled to take our hard working money and spend it on your monthly vacations.  It’s high time you are held accountable for your actions.  Stay at home and show you have some compassion for the people of the country.

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Now add up Laura Bush's trips. - nm

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Laura's vacation - now THAT's priceless

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After thinking about it some more I decided to post the comparison. My message was not about Laura's vacations, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Reagan or other first ladies.

My post was about Barry & Michelle, the timing, and the poor example it shows the country and the world. But since you asked...

First Lady Laura Bush would take one vacation each year to a camping lodge that she and her friends had been going to every year for 15 years.

July 27, 2003 Laura Bush and all her friends arrived at Lake Crescent Lodge in Washington State for a week long vacation in the Olympic National Forest. "I have a group of friends that I grew up with in Midland, Texas, and we hike every summer at a national park,"

July 23, 2006 Denali National Park & Preserve in Alaska

First Lady Laura Bush arrived in the park by train on July 23rd for a one-week vacation at a private inholder lodge in the Kantishna area. Members of the park staff assisted Secret Service and White House personnel with communications, security and logistics. A small number of rangers from other parks in the region were detailed to Denali to maintain normal operations so that a portion of the parks law enforcement staff could be assigned full-time to augment and assist the Secret Service details. During the week. Mrs. Bush and a small group of friends enjoyed daily hiking excursions throughout the park. On Friday, July 28th, she and her companions traveled to park headquarters to tour the Murie Science and Learning Center, a collaborative venture by Denali, seven other national parks, and several park partners. She later attended a luncheon hosted at the center and greeted park staff and the regional director.

In June 2008, First Lady Laura Bush visited Mount Desert Island, Maine with a small group of friends for a brief vacation. She did not plan any public appearances before she arrived, but she was out in the public eye during her visit and met with Acadia National Park superintendent Sheridan Steele.

Laura Bush and her daughters, Barbara and Jenna, traveled to Africa in 2007, where they went on safari. Yet her trip was regarded as an "official" visit and included several public events.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_vacation_days_did_Laura_bush_take_while_her_husband_was_president


First Lady Laura Bush didn't claim the American people should be frugal, responsible and bear down so we can survive the burning economy then take $500,000 worth of vacations with 40 friends.

Oh, you changed your mind and decided to - take up the challenge?

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With like half of the actual information available? Wow. Well done.
I posted what I found - even though my post was not - about Laura Bush
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I'll probably move the information and start a new post because this thread is not about Laura Bush or George Bush, or Clintons, Reagans, Roosevelt's etc. It's about the current crowd.

Do try and stay on topic.
It's kind of like pulling teeth, isn't it? But we are all we have. - Must keep on trucking. :))
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nm

You forgot 4 more South Africa trips, - France, Panama, Budapest

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and Prague.

You're welcome.
Proof please. Here's mine - now THAT's priceless
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First Lady Laura Bush went on many foreign trips as Ambassador for the U.S., but only took 5 vacations without her husband. Four were to national parks with her long-time hiking buddies. The fifth was a brief safari with her daughters while on a trip to Africa for the AIDS initiative.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/obama-jet-setting-public-display-of-bad-taste/

France:

First Lady Laura Bush was guest of honor celebrating Afghan and French "Rediscovered Treasures" in Paris (not a vacation).

http://france.usembassy.gov/event080611.html

Panama:

First Lady Laura Bush in Panama to promote cancer research (not a vacation).

http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/2008112109354785

http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20081119193125372

Paris, Budapest, & Prague: (not vacations)

First Lady Laura Bush prepares for her first solo trip abroad

She will discuss education and health care, two issues that she has long advocated.

The first lady will start in Paris with a speech on education Tuesday to the 30-nation Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, then move on to Hungary and the Czech Republic to discuss health care issues and Afghan relief efforts.

First ladies "represent their husbands and therefore represent their country, and we have every reason to expect that Laura Bush will be a complete pro at this,"

http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/history/faculty/TROYWEB/LauraBushpreparesforfirstsolotripabroad.htm

None of these trips have been for her own self gratification. These trips were part of her job as First Lady. And she didn't spend $500,000 and take 40 friends.

As correctly stated in my earlier post she took one vacation a year to hike with her friends.

You're welcome.

And you still have the ******* that defend the Big O - and ALL their stupid decisions

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These are the same *******Libs that run around and scream like their hair is on fire because Romeny's spend their OWN money on whatever they choose. The same ******Libs that scream about off shore accounts, but overlook Obama's off shores, Heigel's off shores (which is in excess of Romney's amount). All it does is underscore the Lib's total inability to employ critical thinking and logical reasoning or read anything of content or truth. ALl the little commies deserve each other...unfortunately, they pull all the reasonable, educated people into their muck.

They really are ****** if they don't see the (sm) - LM

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difference in Laura's and girls vacations and Michelle and Barry and the rest of the clan. 5-star resorts, oh, and remember Sasha and Malia being considered part of the staff on AF1, (young kids) and don't even tell me that compares to Jenna and Barbara yesterday. As someone said here yesterday, Jenna and Barbara were older. Obama's kids are young. The timing really is the difference. 50 million people on food stamps, Bernanke printing money out the wazoo, and Obama on vacay, preparing for another. Don't even.

I personally think this is way overblown. - NachoCommie

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I go on vacations out of the country, and I don't see why the First Family shouldn't.

sigh.....missing the point. - nm

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nm

You really didn't just say that did you? - BIG difference - sm

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You are not the a President or a presidents wife. Do you take taxpayers money to go galavanting around the world. Do you go on $100K and up vacations EVERY month.

The difference is:

1. You are paying for your own vaction. You are not stealing money from taxpayers to fund your vacations.

2. You are not the president or his family. Lead by example. Did you even read the post.

3. It's not a matter of they went on a vacation, its a matter of they are going on vacation every month. It about the timing, celebrating while people are suffering, using OUR tax money for their own self gratification, timing, all high profile, high cost vacations, telling the people they need to stay at home yet they don't. It's not their money to spend on themselves. They are not spending their own money for their vacations. READ THE POST and stop trying to defend something that is wrong. Ya'll are screaming about Bush's vacations and the money he spent, but your overlooking the guy on your favorite sports team.

Not overblown. With your statement it makes me wonder if you have the critical thinking skills needed to understand this. Maybe you do, but then you wouldn't have made the statement you did if you do.

you're watching/reading the wrong things - NK

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If you watched Fox or read Breitbart, Drudge, etc, you would understand. Some of these posts are so word for word I'm surprised they aren't considered plagiarism. :)

Are you speaking about my post? - now THAT's priceless

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I gave a couple links. Neither of which is Breibart or Fox. I also gave my observations, which is on no website.

Facts can be cross checked.
I'm confused - NK
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I just verified that I did indeed respond to NachoCommie with my own observations and didn't mention your post. Why would you think I was referring to it?
Here, let me help un-confuse you ;-) - now THAT's priceless
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To me it didn't matter who you responded to, your comment was a direct cut down of anyone who watches Fox, reads Breitbart or Drudge (Drudge I have no idea why because its just a page of links that favor both liberal and conservatives), either way, you obviously were talking about posters on this board (i.e. "some of these posts"). You see, when you say "some of these posts" you give the impression that you are talking about some of the posts on this board (which by the way I don't find one post that is anywhere near close to "plagiarism"). So, since you were obviously talking about posters here, I only asked a simple question. Were you referring to my post? It's really a simple question so I don't know why it would be confusing to anyone. It just requires a simple yes or no response.

Hope that helps clear up the confusion.
Your plagiarism: Here you go... - now THAT'S unattributed
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There's this post (excluding the first 2 paragraphs and the last, which are obviously by the poster "now THAT'S priceless"), which contains no attribution for references at all and is indeed mostly word for word:   http://general.mtstars.com/342703.html


Checked via this site:   http://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker


 



 


"Existing" without a date is the Google hit for the MT Stars post itself.  All the others with dates are for multiple other sources.  One possible source is here:


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_vacation_days_did_Laura_bush_take_while_her_husband_was_president

Duh...that's not plagiarism, that's called referencing - now THAT'S priceless
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I didn't write the article, I referenced the article. There is a difference.

Many posters reference articles here. We all can't be so computer savy as you appear to be with being able to copy and paste all those cutesy little graphs and underlined words in red (don't see any color buttons on this screen to choose that feature). Either way the article I referenced didn't have any fancy lettering or colored writing. It was just the simple plain facts.

Bet yes, referencing other articles is allowed here. You flatter me if you think I wrote that ;-) Thanks.

Reference:

Reference is a relation between objects in which one object designates, or acts as a means by which to connect to or link to, another object. The first object in this relation is said to refer to the second object. The second object – the one to which the first object refers – is called the referent of the first object.

The term reference is used in many spheres of human knowledge, adopting shades of meaning particular to the contexts in which it is used.

References can take on many forms, including: a thought, a sensory perception that is audible (onomatopoeia), visual (text), olfactory, or tactile, emotional state, relationship with other,[1] spacetime coordinate, symbolic or alpha-numeric, a physical object or an energy projection; but, other concrete and abstract contexts exist as methods of defining references within the scope of the various fields that require an origin, point of departure, or an original form. This includes methods that intentionally hide the reference from some observers, as in cryptography.

{pssst...just so you'll know I didn't write the above information myself).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference
Duh yourself. - now THAT'S uncomprehending
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I didn't say you wrote the article, quite the opposite (look up "plagiarism").  You copied it and gave no indication as to the source (how or where you do it doesn't really matter; copying & pasting as you just did above is fine, HTML skills not required), so you most certainly did not "reference" the article/information.  "Referencing" in this context regards giving credit or attribution to the author/site, to supply with the original "references."  I'd like that time back I spent reading your useless definitions.  


 



3reference


 transitive verb

referencedreferenc·ing


Definition of REFERENCE



1

a : to supply with references

b : to cite in or as a reference

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/referencing



You could actually be putting the board in jeopardy by your copying material without attributing* or "referencing" it.  And I "flattered" you not at all.  I explicitly stated that you plagiarized most of that post, without attributing it, not wrote it yourself ("excluding the first 2 paragraphs and the last").   That was the entire point of my post, your PLAGIARISM, which it indeed was since you gave no indication of who originally wrote it/where you found it.


 


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* "Attribution in copyright law, is acknowledgement as credit the author of a work which is used or appears in another work. The most fundamental form of attribution is the statement of the copyright holder's identity, often in the form Copyright (C) author's-name. The preservation of such a notice is invariably required until and unless a work has entered the public domain. Attribution beyond such a notice is sometimes required by licenses, such as the GNU Free Documentation License and Creative Commons licenses.[1]


Attribution is often considered the most basic of requirements made by a license, as it allows an author to accumulate a positive reputation that partially repays their work and prevents others from claiming fraudulently to have produced the work. It is widely regarded as a sign of decency and respect to acknowledge the creator by giving him/her credit for the work.


Creative Commons licenses are legally binding in most countries and have held up in many court cases.[2]"

Duh - back at ya, You most certainly did - not THAT'S priceless
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Here's how you can tell I referenced. At the bottom, there is a link.

http://general.mtstars.com/342703.html

Cute, nice edit. - now THAT'S funny
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At least it makes things safer for the board.
They edited a couple posts yesterday after - people had responded to the original.
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I'm not a fan of having the post I responded to changed so completely that my reply makes no sense. I just ignore the posts now, figuring they'll be butchered later and the thread will be a confusing mess.
To be honest, - NK
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I didn't read your post since it was very long and the subject matter was something in which I have no interest. Just can't get bent out of shape over vacations, no matter who is taking them. So the simple answer to your question is no. It does seem, however, that I struck a nerve. So sorry you didn't understand my generalization, "some of these posts."
Thanks for the clarification. BTW, you didn't strike a nerve - now THAT's priceless
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I believe the where the confusion began was since NachoCommie replied to my post and was talking about my post, and you replied to her reference to my post, that is why I was wondering if you were talking about my post. Thanks for the clarification though.

Not to worry though, you didn't strike a nerve. I was just asking a simple questions. Tx ;-)

I sometimes read the Fox site for funsies. - NachoCommie

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And it's like deja vu coming to this board afterwards.

In reality, the first family is going to go on vacations. Although some here don't believe it, the truth is, they work HARD, and they are working for US.

The Obama administration is actually working on things I care about; healthcare reform, immigration reform--things other presidents were too complacent to consider.

And when I consider the vast amount of money we're swindled out of every day by tax loopholes and the millions of corporate welfare, well...

Air Force One costs pale in comparison.

am I going to have to change my moniker again? - priceless

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y'all flatter me.

why? I didn't take your moniker - now THAT's priceless

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Here's a hint "now THAT'S". Don't know why you are flattered, we have opposite view points. Besides every time I post a message my moniker fits the post. Remember those ads on TV.

Kind of like this:

Plain white sundress with red and yellow stripe...$2000.00

Green print skirt....$950.00

Claiming to be a champion of the poor and a fellow bargain shopper....priceless

Consider it an homage. :) - NachoCommie (nm)

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Little bit late there CNN. Looks like the corruption surrounding the Democrats is coming to a head. Vindication never tasted so sweet. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/donna-brazile-wikileaks-cnn.html?_r=0 ...

Obama To Face Reckoning In New Orleans Over Katrina PromisesAug 26, 2015
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At Least Six Swing States Face Double Digit Premium HikesAug 17, 2016
Double-digit Obamacare premium hikes projected in 2017 may bode in Donald Trump’s favor, as several swing states are being impacted by double-digit increases under the law and consumers are expected to see the hikes around Nov. 1 — one week before heading to the polls. Trump has promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, but Hillary Clinton has vowed to make the Obamacare exchanges work. Some say the way she would do that is through raising taxes. “Any reports of premium increases will ...

Middle Class Will Face Higher Taxes Under Republican PlanJun 20, 2012
Those changes would benefit virtually every taxpayer, but they also would reduce federal tax collections by about $4.5 trillion over the next decade, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. To avoid increasing the national debt by that amount, GOP leaders such as House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (Wis.) have pledged to get rid of all the special-interest loopholes and tax shelters that litter the code. Republicans have declined to identify their targets. However, some ...

On July 26, 2016, Democratic Socialism Turned Its Face To The Wall,Jul 26, 2016
It's kaput.  Finito.  Slurp City.  Anyone who believes Sanders' smooth assertion that the "revolution will go on" can be found on Christmas Eve, waiting for Santa Claus to zip down the chimney. ...

Catholic Military Chaplins Face Arrest For Performing MassOct 05, 2013
There's a lot more in this story. See the link.   MILITARY PRIESTS FACE ARREST FOR CELEBRATING MASS IN DEFIANCE OF SHUTDOWN BY STEVE SKOJEC Our government is out of control. First, it was the World War II veterans who had to break down barriers to see the open air, un-attended memorial erected in their honor.  A memorial which is on public land but is supported – including the National Park Service fee – with private funds. This week there was m ...

Robert DeNiro Threatens To Punch President Trump In The FaceFeb 03, 2017
DeNiro said he still wants to punch President Trump in the face. “Of course, I want to punch him in the face. The far left crowd cheered the violence. Democrats: The party that supports violence and fascism. ...

Legal Immigrants Face Longer Wait Times To Become CitizensMay 19, 2015
than ILLEGAL immigrants. Tweet that for the No. 1 twit.  ...