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Posted: Dec 3, 2013

It includes a story about Pope Francis and his ministering to the poor. For the first time in my 61 years on this earth, I've never respected a Pope to the extent that I respect this Pope, for he is showing, IMHO, TRUE Christianity in the face of those too greedy to care about the poor, choosing instead to take food out of children's mouths in the richest nation in the world and the contempt for them by the GOP/TP (and I'm not even Catholic). The TP/CONS could learn a LOT from him!!

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What is your point? - Rose

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So you choose to get your news from liberal editorial websites. I didn't bother to read them when I saw they were from Daily Kos. Post something unbiased and I might be interested.

Ditto. I heard what Rush said live on the radio, not in - some 3 second sound bite.

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He was spot on.

Opinions are easy, objectivity is hard. Thomas Jefferson's - first draft of the Constitution ended

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slavery, but 2 states would not go along. History is more complicated, our founding fathers were people with flaws. Just because people are flawed doesn't mean the message is.

That's just in response to one of your links. Not all Catholics agreed with the Pope either. I am a baptized Catholic. By the way, look up the worth of the Catholic Church.

NBC should do a reality show about the White House - and all the daily drama

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involved. Picture that.

Is his the station that says it's "a talk show, not news"? - if not, fits anyhow NM

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OK. Have it your way - sm

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Do you think refusing to read these reports will make them go away or somehow make them less true? Same stories, different sources:

SCOTUS refuses to hear OC case:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/02/high-court-ends-liberty-u-lawsuit-over-health-law/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/02/us-usa-court-obamacare-idUSBRE9B10II20131202

CA GOP's phoney health care website. This one got global attention:

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/03/california-republicans-grasping-straws-obamacare.html

http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_12_04/California-Republicans-make-a-bogus-Obamacare-site-8584/

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2013/12/03/uproar-over-gops-fake-obamacare-website/

Time Magazine constrasting magazine covers and their history are a matter of public record and speak for themselves.

Catholic Alliance Condemns Slush:

http://www.examiner.com/article/catholic-group-condemns-rush-limbaugh-s-remarks-about-pope-francis

http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2013/12/rush_limbaugh_blasts_marxist_p.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/tea-party-advocate-rush-limbaugh-criticize-pope-francis-argue-jesus-is-a-capitalist-109958/

Maryland mayor defends Obamacare:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-12-02/news/bs-md-srb-meet-the-press-20131202_1_health-care-meet-the-press-chuck-todd

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/morning-edition/2013/12/8-things-you-need-to-know-dec-2.html

UPS gets it right. An opinion piece. Good luck arguing that getting a paid day off the day after Thanksgiving / Black Friday (i.e., a 4-day weekend) is a horrible idea just because the teamsters union beat the UPS "slave ship" at their own game via successful negotiations.

HPD racial profiling of dancer and instructors. The girl's parents have EVERY RIGHT to be mortified:

http://www.michronicleonline.com/index.php/rtm-news-reel/15799-police-deny-accusations-of-racial-profiling-with-white-teen-black-dancers

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Houston-police-respond-to-racial-profiling-accusations-with-Okla-teen-dancers-234227401.html

http://gma.yahoo.com/teen-dancer-taken-legal-guardian-alleges-racial-profiling-201703626--abc-news-topstories.html

"Socialist" (AKA Christian) pope feeds the hungry:

http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/pope-francis-the-coolest-pope-of-all-time/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517275/Pope-Francis-sneaking-Vatican-night-money-poor.html

ACLU vs Catholic hospitals:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/the-aclu-targets-catholic-hospitals

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ACLU-Lawsuit-Catholic-Bishops/2013/12/02/id/539583

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/battle-between-catholic-hospitals-and-reproductive-health-intensifies/2013-12-03

GOP's hypocrisy and self-proclaimed anti-religion views are evident when their policies are contrasted with the content of the Pope's Evangeleii Gaudium (Chapter 2, items 53 and 56) and his denouncement of trickle-down economic, despite their resounding denunciation of the decision to move the US embassy to the Vatican as "anti-religious":

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/191608-gop-vatican-move-shows-obama-is-anti-religion

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion

The GOP's failed attempts to rewrite the history of US racism, both within the context of US Constitution content and the role Rosa Parks played is the subject of extensive academic inquiry, as you can plainly see when slogging through the 1,760,000 hits a Google search produces. Make your choice:

https://www.google.com/search?q=GOP+rewrite+history+of+racism&oq=GOP+rewrite+history+of+racism&aqs=chrome..69i57.7782j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

That includes the 12 ways the GOP have tried to minimize historical institutionalized racism by equating those issues with such partisan schticks as "abortion is slavery" and health care reform is tantamount to the "Great War of Yankee aggression." LOL.

Now that alternate sources have been provided, we anxiously await the decision: To read and comment or not to read and comment? THAT is the question.

The fake healthcare website in California - should be criminal.

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I like how they put a disclaimer that it isn't connected to the GOPTP, yet the site is registered to the GOP's communications director at her official government email address and her address is listed as none other than the state capitol.

The Registrant Name: Sabrina Lockhart
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: State Capitol
Registrant Street: P.O. Box 942849
Registrant City: Sacramento
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Postal Code: 94249
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: 9163192034
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: sabrina.lockhart@asm.ca.gov

Thank you, but I doubt they will read anything that - Libby

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even faintly resembles the truth. Some of them would rather close the government. Some of them are awaiting the "Rapture" and would do anything to speed it up. Some of them want to see children and their parents starve to death by taking away their food stamps (again) and other help. Some of them see their brothers and sisters fall into the depths of poverty and feel they will be in the same position so they try to cast dispersions over those who have less than they do, even though they are VERY vulnerable and very well may wind up exactly in the same position as those less fortunate, and some people want to extinguish the middle class and poor so they can get richer and richer.

I believe it's the "trickle up" theory where only the top 2% remain healthy and alive and prospering.

Merry Christmas, eh?

Thank you very much for your post!

the link to the story was not from DK - nm

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Rush Limbaugh calls the Pope a marxist - and liberal socialist...

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This guy is worse than any reality TV show personality. I wouldn't be surprised if he called the Pope a communist.

His whole career is based on riling the tempers of his listeners, calling women names and calling anyone he doesn't agree with names, and he has the nerve to criticize the Pope for caring about the poor? He's all about shock value with no substance. No heart.

I don't understand anyone who supports this mentality.

I have listened to Rush since 1992, and I - wholeheartedly disagree with you.

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You must be getting your info from leftist sources, which always take what he says out of context.

I read this on a blog, it's long but worth the read... - Betty

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Pope Francis and Wrong Ideas

I am a great admirer of the Catholic Church, even though it has been under attack by the left and their media allies for decades. The child abuse scandal is the most recent of many failures during the Church’s 2000 years history. Popes have been less than infallible, the church has often been intolerant, cruel, self indulgent and power hungry. But none of that should be unexpected. The Church is made of men, and men are by definition failed, even men of God. Therefore the institutions made of these men are failed as well.

How could it be otherwise? However, failure does not mean evil. When all the church’s wrong doing is tallied, and there is a great deal of it, the sum total is tiny when compared to the massive good it has done for centuries.

For example…how many readers are aware that one third of all healthcare in the United States is provided by a Catholic institution. Imagine what that number would be if all the christian faiths were included. One quarter of healthcare worldwide is provided by the church. Education, adoption services, all manner of care for the poor and infirmed and other charitable works too numerous to name are staples of the church.

I could go on and on about their good works, but these are but a small part of what the church does for society. It works every day to provide a moral framework, a guide to life, teaching people how to maintain the important building blocks of self, the family, and community. There is no metric I know of to quantify this, but I do know we would be in a Hobbesian state of nature without it. The church is at the heart of our social structure, healing the sick, feeding the hungry, and nourishing the mind and spirit. There are many valid arguments why moral behavior is self serving. But at the end of the day right for right’s sake is indispensable for a civil society, without which it would crumble into chaos. Teaching this through God and His goodness is the church’s raisnon d’être.

This is why I am distressed by the recent 84 page apostolic exhortation from Pope Francis. Some of what he says is insightful and of great value to us all. But much of it shows a complete blindness to economic and social history, and no understanding of the dynamics of either. He is seeking a Utopian dream instead of advocating capitalism, the only path for the material betterment of mankind.

The paper refers to unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny.” It criticizes the “idolatry of money” and beseeches politicians to guarantee all citizens “dignified work, education and healthcare.” If ever there was an argument against papal infallibility, the certain abuses to come from these ideas would make a compelling case.

In the movie Wall Street Gordon Gekko said, “For lack of a better term, greed is good.” He was right. Instead of condemning greed and unfettered capitalism, the Pope should be condemning theft, fraud, misrepresentation and dishonesty in all its forms, but pursuing wealth through honest means should be celebrated. To condemn greed is to condemn most men’s call to greatness. Would the Pope condemn Beethoven for wanting to write great symphonies, Michelangelo’s want to create unfathomable beauty, or Newtons rewriting of the laws of physics? Was their push for the perfection of their craft a sin? If they pursued it seeking fame and fortune, was what they did any less valuable to society? Why then would the Pope condemn a man’s want to create more and more wealth? The creation of wealth is as important a public good as the works of any of the great men listed above. It rewards its creator, but it rewards society far more.

Bill Gates, his employees and shareholders made untold billions. But that is trivial when compared to what the people using his products made. His work lifted people out of poverty and improved the lives of everyone. None of the goodness Microsoft did could have been done without profits. The magnitude of those profits reflect the magnitude of what society gained. Walmart is the richest largest retailer in the world, making more money than probably the next 10 retailers combined. But the impoverished are the biggest beneficiaries of their high quality and low prices. Would Pope Francis want Walmart to cease operations? Profits are the life blood of these wealth producing machines. This is a debate about capitalism, unfettered as the Pope would say, and socialism, the anti-christ of economic prosperity.

Look at history. In every case capitalism has fed the poor while socialism has created more of them. Thanksgiving calls to mind one such example. The first arrivals here from England set up a socialist system in the Plymouth Colony of New England in 1823. It failed miserably. Food and other essentials were scarce and everyone suffered. Out of desperation the Governor switched to a free market system (privatized property, eliminated collective farming etc.) and the colony flourished. It produced more food and staples than could be consumed, and was the start of our great economic machine, the greatest in history.

Chile was destitute in 1973 under it’s socialist system. Pinochet took over and changed it to a capitalist one and Chile quickly became the economic miracle of South America. Is there poverty still in Chile…of course. But far less than before, and everyone, even those still impoverished, are far better off than before. In 1945 under a capitalist system Argentina had a standard of living equal to France. Then the communists took over and a country blessed with more oil and minerals than most languished in economic purgatory. In China Mao Zedong promised Utopia to the people, but instead gave them poverty and death… 60 million to be exact. Stalin promised the same, and like Mao, delivered death, 80 million. Castro has promised a workers paradise for over 50 years but instead created a police state that survives on denial, lies, and locking its people in this impoverished island prison. Beacons of capitalism like Hong Kong and Singapore support their children, elderly and infirmed as well as any country on earth.

With this record why is the siren song of Sir Thomas More’s Utopia sung by many great men like Pope Francis? Utopia values the group over the individual, and assumes that everyone can be indoctrinated to share that perspective. This has never and will never be done. Man will always act in his own individual interest…period. The idea of working for the collective has wonderful outcomes in story books, but in the real world it always ends tragically. It is an unachievable fantasy.

The goals and aspirations of this apostolic exhortation are laudable. Who could disagree? But the Pope’s tacit endorsement of socialism and condemnation of capitalism has plotted a road not to those ends, but one that undermines what he is seeking to achieve. Socialism breeds tyranny, misery and death. Unfortunately, the Pope is a spokesman with a huge megaphone, and advocating for these ideas gives currency to those who appeal to the masses with impossible dreams, while leading them towards disaster.

The inequality of income the Pope condemns is a symptom of good, not evil. A healthy economy is an expanding universe. It is not, as the Popes statements and those on the Left suggest, finite. A finite economy requires someone to lose a dollar for every dollar someone else gains. There is no creation or destruction of wealth. That is not the real world. An expanding economic universe, which is real, increases wealth for everyone. Wealth production is greater for those at the top, but this concentration of wealth allows investment by those people creating even more wealth. That is a gift to us all. One just needs to think about the Microsoft and Walmart examples to understand. The same applies to every business, large or small. In this real world there are only two choices. We can expand the gap between those of great means and those of little, while raising both up, or reduce the gap, while driving both downward.

Wealth creation fuels new and better cures for illnesses, feeds more people, builds better housing for less money, protects the environment, and generally helps us all. Capitalism works because that very greed that the Pope refers to (I would call it self interest), in a capitalist society is harnessed so that the “greedy” man’s interest and society’s interest are aligned. Henry Ford said, “A man gets rich thinking how much he can give for a dollar, not how little.”

The Pope’s paper suggests that we need a group of well intended politicians. We have a few, a very few. That is because self interest is a stronger force than altruism. I would suggest we might sooner find a benevolent dictator than politicians so disposed, with both being very unlikely.

A capitalist must entrust his survival to the consumer. That consumer votes with his dollars every day with every purchase. The capitalist can never relax and rest on his laurels, no matter how successful he has been. He must win every election every day by producing improved products for less money, for if he fails, if someone else does that job better than he, he will cease to exist. The magic of capitalism is its ability to direct mankind’s survival instinct in a direction that works for us all. If only Pope Francis understood that.

please do not post without citation - link

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3098034/posts

I noticed one thing gets misquoted a lot, - money is the root of all evil...

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it's actually the love of money.

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

1 Timothy 6:10

I keep thinking of 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Verse 11, nm - Betty

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n/m

The dramatic change in economic thinking - has been deliberately

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methodically, purposefully changed years. Public relations (propaganda) has swamped our people in the areas of economics, politics, social values, etc. A documentary by the BBC entitled "The Century of Self" is a fascinating presentation showing how thrift, saving, sound budgetary and economic practice has been intentionally undermined.

Debt, dependence, etc. is the result.

with regard to Rush Limbaugh - I think you're right

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I used to listen to his show. I know how he is. - Thanks anyway.

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He used to be on the same channel as Dr. Laura. He was entertaining, at least before he morphed into a parody of himself by getting more and more extreme and inflammatory. It reached a point where I stopped tuning in. I can't listen to that kind of thing, even for a laugh. There's enough ugliness in the world. He's no better than Jerry Springer, IMO.

it's only fair - conservatives think - Rush is the pope

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No, we like Rush because he encourages people to - be the best they can be and

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not be a victim. We don't need a King or a Pope to tell us what to think.

His message is for the most part positive. He lives in realsville, not in some utopia.

if you don't need a pope, - why do you care what Rush says about the pope?

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that doesn't make much sense to me.

It's called conversation about current events. - NT

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I understand it's a current event, but - sm

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the poster I was responding to said they didn't need a pope to tell them what to think. Presumably, Rush feels the same, so I'm trying to understand why anyone who feels that way would even care to comment upon the views of the pope.

He lives in realsville? - Not in some utopia?

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that's why he was doctor shopping for Oxycontin, I guess. He's about as far from realsville as you can get.

Some people have nothing but time on their hands. (sm) - Abby

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There is no way I plan to read this links from Daily Kos. However, I do agree with one thing you said. I also have great respect for this Pope, but he does preach Marxist ideology. Rush was correct.

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