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Wow! What a Speech by O today
Posted: Jan 7, 2010
I'm surprised no one on this board commented on it yet. I watched it and he seems pretty pi$$ed. I just hope he really means what he said this time. As he said, it is his responsibility. Maybe now he will stop blaming the former administration and focus on being a president instead of a puppet.
The only problem I see is that talk is cheap. Implementation of what his plans are for the terrorist problem has yet to be seen.
I did miss the press conference between Homeland Security and Napolitano. I will be looking at it tomorrow.
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Speaking of the former administration, - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]If Obama is to be held personally responsible for the Christmas Day incident, does that mean Bush was also personally responsible for 9/11? Just curious.
Well, it would be nice if Obama knew the difference - between common criminal and
[ In Reply To ..]TERRORIST! He is handling this situation as if afraid to admit there are actually real terrorists out there who want to kill us no matter how NICE we are to them! I guess he thinks because he is now president, the world should love us. Get real.
Phooey!! In less than a year, he has lifted this . . . . - emanon
[ In Reply To ..]country's reputation up to a respectable level finally, after being dessimated by Wubya for 8 years. You get real!!! He has made it extremely clear (falling on the deaf troll ears of Cheney), that he has made fighting terrorism a priority, unlike Wubya, who thought we could just go into the wrong country and bomb them into submission, all the while totally ignoring where the real threat was coming from. How'd that work for us, huh?
The bottom line is this: Wubya made a mess and Obama is now trying to clean it up, and you people expect that he is supposed to clean up an 8-year mess in less than one year.
Wrong! He is making the USA weaker as a nation! - TX
[ In Reply To ..]He is a wishy-washy leader who does not even keep his word. He is not strong, and terrorists know it. He better find a way to at least APPEAR strong, or we are in big trouble. You are just like him, blaming Bush for all the problems. That is so juvenile (another Obama problem).
Could somebody please answer my original question? - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]If Obama is to b held responsible for the Christmas Day incident, does it not follow logically that Bush was responsible for 9/11? It is a rhetorical question. You can't have it one way and not the other. If it offends you to suggest that Bush is responsible for 9/11, then perhaps we should not be looking to hold Obama responsible either. If you hold Obama responsible, then it is only fair and logical that Bush was responsible for 9/11.
I would also like to throw a caveat into the mix. If Obama has been so weak and negligent in terms of national security, that would imply that the national security apparatus in place on Christmas Day was the one assembled by the previous administration.
You're forgetting the first WTT attack, sweetheart. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The plan to bring down the towers was engendered under Clinton, another limp-wristed Democrat who didn't know how to run the country.
The first time, AlKablooey tried to detonate a van in the parking garage. Result = terror, but not the results they were hoping for. So they reworked their plan, who happened to all fall into place a few months after Bush was in office.
But it's just like you short-sighted libs to think all things good must be due to Democrats and all things bad must be due to Republicans.
That's why once every decade or so you all manage to put a dem in the White House, and then the Republicans have to spend the next 8 years undoing all your junk.
Obama can't even keep people from crashing his own Christmas party!
And you seriously believe he can protect a nation? He's already been proven 3 times to be totally inadequate in that regard.
I'm not forgetting anything, honey-bunch - sm
[ In Reply To ..]but you are still forgetting to answer the original question. If O is resonsible for Christmas Day, Bush then must be responsible for 9/11 and lest we forget, Clinton for WTT. You seem to have covered you bases on O an Clinton. What about Bush? Can you not just come out and enunciate the hypocrisy of the right wing by declaring that only democrat presidents are held accountable?
Typical lib - blather and blame. - nm
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Hello. I asked a question about the logic of - sm
[ In Reply To ..]blaming one and not the other by pointing out the obvious. I did not state my own opinion. I do not hold Bush responsible for 9/11 anymore than I hold Obama responsible for Christmas Day. But it is interesting to note that by pub logic, Obama has been so "tied up" with health care that he has ignored national security. The logical conclusion would be that the security apparatus in place on Christmas Day would be from the previous administration...using pub logic, that is. So which is it? W's system failed? Obama's system failed? Dem and pub presidents are accountable? Only pub presidents? Only dem presidents? Help me out here.
The difference is how we are viewed by terrorists. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]We do not have a fail-safe system.
Neither administration would be able to stop an Islamic attack if the enemy wanted it bad enough ... and suspected they could be successful.
The dramatic difference is that now Al Queda suspects they can be successful.
Their last three attempts have confirmed that in their minds, and in the minds of an international public.
You have a presidential candidate who says he'd be willing to sit down and talk to despots without conventions. And when he talks, those depots, they tell him to shove it.
And Obama does ... ?
Nothing.
That's why Iran, and North Korea, and Islamic extremists think NOW is the time for action.
Did you watch Ahmadinejad's speech at the U.N.?
Notice anything different?
Know why it went on and on and on?
He was giving a blessing on the new wave of atatcks - reading from his holy texts that say the way to quicken their much-anticipated victory is to hasten the end of the world.
And Obama did .... ?
That's why it's so much different now.
If you have a guard dog, but every burglar in the neighborhood knows it has no teath, you're going to get robbed.
America's getting robbed. Because they know our dog has no teeth.
Sad. But true.
I am interested in addressing this post, but - sm
[ In Reply To ..]before I do, I would like to know what you are referring to when you say 3 attempts. Christmas Day, what and what?
Christmas day, Ft. Hood and ..........??? - nm
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Christmas, Fort Hood, Little Rock - Obamas 3rd Strike
[ In Reply To ..]You seriously didn't hear about Ft. Hood?
And the other was Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Muslim guy who shot up a Little Rock military recruiting center. Said it was "for the sake of Allah."
He is charged with 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act.
How is it you haven't heard of this?
Could it be because the mainstream media refused to cover the story?
Hmmmmmm.
Thanks for that info. I did hear about it, but - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I was trying to get the poster to be more precise about which incidents she was referring to (so I could be on the same page with her in my response), especially since she was trying to assert that the 3 incidents were Al Qaeda linked and that AQ would be enjoying more success now that Obama is in office. The one you cited is not Al Qaeda linked and neither was Fort Hood...just the attempted and botched Christmas Day attack, which does not sound terribly successful by any stretch of the imagination. As I suspected, her post was conflated and hyperbolic.
I agree with the first 3 lines of your post. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In fact, you are dead-on. That is why I have taken issue with the idea that Obama, Bush or Clinton are personally responsible for the terrorist attacks that occurred during their administrations.
Your statements about the curious and yet-to-be-defined 3 attacks are inaccurate. Christmas Day incident was directly tied to al Quaeda (they announced their involvement), but the last time I check, an attempted and ultimately failed attack does not exactly qualify as a success. If the second incident to which you refer is Fort Hood, then you should be aware that Al Qaeda did not publicly assume responsibility (which has been their habit in cases where they were behind the acts) and no ties between al Quaeda and Nidal Malik Hasan to date have been established. I am unable to address the nebulous third incident to which you allude.
I must have missed the news reports on when Obama sat down without conventions, talked to the despots and was told by them to shove it. Please enlighten us. While you are at it, could you tell us how you are privy to the knowledge that Iran, North Korea and Islamic extremists think NOW is the time for action?
No, I did not notice anything different in Ahmadinejadâs speech at the UN. Basically, he espoused Islamic worldview on humankind, obedience to God, justice and judgment day. He spoke of oppression in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Africa, Latin America, and Asia. He addressed the War in Iraq, the occupation of Palestine, Afghanistan, Africa, Latin America, the remnants of colonial domination by the remaining superpowers and the rights of nations to resist, the arms race, Iranâs nuclear program, the hypocrisy of nuclear proliferation by select countries and the collusion between America and European powers with Israel. He was decidedly anti-Zionist. So whereâs the surprise here?
I missed the part where he was giving his blessing to the ânew wave" of attacks and, other than his references to Judgment Day, did not hear anything about the end of the world. I fail to understand what it is you expect Obama to do do or say about an Iranian leader being an Iranian leader.
Your tooth analogy is too silly to dignify with further comment.
Yet to be defined acts of terror? - Say no to Kool Aid
[ In Reply To ..]Just continue to live in your blissful ignorance.
Like all the other good little Obots.
Clearly, you are not paying attention to the thread. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]but that has not stopped you from trying to get off some trite little pot shot. People who choose to do that instead of engaging an issue directly have a tendency to come out looking more ignorant than ones who are simply trying to gather information in an effort to know what they are talking about before they post a comment.
Terrorists - vikefan
[ In Reply To ..]And Obama is against racial profiling, which is a way they catch some of these thugs before they can attack. Al-Qaeda is spreading into Pakistan and other countries. I'm sorry, but it *is* called for in this day and age. I'm not talking about a cop stopping someone because of their skin color, for no good reason. That's uncalled for. I'm talking about watching who is going in and out of our country, who takes flight lessons, etc.
Iran acted up in the late 70s. Who was the president then? A weak Jimmy Carter. As much as I didn't care for Clinton, at least I felt a little safer under him than I do now with Obama in power. Iran has been pretty quiet and now they're acting up again. You have to ask yourselves why. They're testing the waters of Obama to see how far they can get. You simply cannot negotiate with terrorists or countries like Iran. You simply cannot "sit down and talk things out" as nice as that fantasy would be. This is the real world with real terrorists, real bombs, real people getting blown up, and real countries that hate us. The fact that we support Israel gives a good many countries reason to hate us.
This is not a time for apologies. This is a time to show that we are still a super power. I can't believe the people who are freaking out over body scans at airports. Good grief. How many of those people have had surgery? How many women have had babies? Guess what, folks, you've been seen NAKED!!! And you're worried about a body scan seen by a stranger that you will probably never see again? So your modesty is more important than your life??? How would you feel if they didn't do all the security checks and body scans and you ended up on an airplane with a terrorist?
I don't feel it's that Obama is "against" national security. I feel he just has not made it a big enough priority and I something think he truly lives in a fantasy world that it couldn't possibly happen again, that we can talk and all just get along. I'd love for that to be the case but unfortunately, it's not.
O himself s holding himself responsible. He said it in his speech. (nm) - Backwards Typist
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Yes, he did take responsibility.... - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]and what a refreshing change that was to see. My post has more to do with double standards and the logic some people use when tryng to address this issue. I found it interesting that Obama's detractors so far have appeared to be incapable of discussing this directly and for the most part threw themselves into frenzies of hateful name-calling, deflection and denial.
Its just empty words - he never holds himself - responsible for anything
[ In Reply To ..]you have to take a look at his past speeches and actions. He may say that he holds himself responsible, but they are only empty words because his actions speak differently. He will eventually blame it on the last administration. Whatever it is it will always be Bush's fault.
I was so hopeful with him in the beginning, but over the past year his actions have spoken volumes.
Don't trust the man. He lost the people's confidence in him a long time ago.
If he acts on his words that will be different, but he never has and guarantee you never will either.
And you know this how? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Anyone who expected him to assume office, wave a magic wand and bring that 8-year-long nightmare to an end in an instant is living in a fairy tale. So much mess, such little time. I for one did not and do not expect miracles from a mere mortal. What I did expect was to see him suit up, show up, roll his sleeves up, get to work, try his best, succeed in some endeavors, make mistakes, own up to them and try again. Do I agree with everthing he has done? No. Am I disappointed? Not in the least. Another poster below very quietly said that success takes time. Considering the monumental catastrophe he was left with, the very least we can give him is more time, so please speak for yourself. He has not lost "the people's confidence" a long time ago. It's too early for there to even be a long time ago.
By his past actions. - WAKE UP!!
[ In Reply To ..]Nobody ever expected him to "wave a magic wand", and nobody ever expected anything to be instantaneous. But unfortunately what you expected "suit up, show up, roll his sleeves up, get to work" etc, has not happened. "Suit up, show up", sorry we had that with the last president and that did nothing. Maybe you are not "disappointed in the least" but over half the country is. They are disappointed that the country is falling and it's falling fast. Continued unemployment at an increasingly alarming rate, foreclosures continuing, jobs continuing to be shipped overseas, people not able to afford to take care of their families, the war (which he was against) is continuing, CEO's that people like you and other posters were screaming about because they were getting exuberant multi-million dollar deals, bonuses, etc., are continuing to get rich, but now you're okay with that because your guy is in there. The rich are still getting richer, the poor are still poor, and your guy is making the middle income poor. Increase in taxation so they can continue to fund their programs and unecessary war. The catrastrophe you talk about that he was left with? Sorry, that time is past for him to fix. All these new problems - the debt has doubled, plus adding another trillion on, adding new programs that are not helping the country, not keeping his presidency transparent (i.e. behind closed door deals), etc. All these are dear leaders problems. NOT the previous admins.
He lost the people's confidence a long time ago and it is showing. The elections of this year will definite speak volumes about how much confidence he has lost.
Sorry, but I prefer to watch indicators that show - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]the economy has turned the corner and remain optimistic. Taking a personâs remarks out of context and slicing off two-thirds of a sentence to suit your message is not a very convincing argument. There have been successes as outlined in the post above entitled improvement is in the eyes of the beholder. Mistakes have been made, some acknowledged, some notâ¦a considerable improvement over the shrub who when asked by a reporter could not think of a single mistake or regret.
Approval ratings are hovering around 50%-52% but historically these have proven unreliable predictors in terms of re-election, i.e., Clinton and Reagan come to mind. Unemployment is high, to be sure. I ought to know. I am one of them. Nevertheless, sorry to burst your bubble, but it has held its own over the past month or 2 and is no longer increasing at alarming rates. Job loss rates have slowed markedly, down 82% from the rates in April, May and June.
I am not happy about any war, but do have the sense to recognize that Iraq was way off mark as we can all agree, while at the same time recognizing Afghanistan had to be addressed sooner or later, having been ignored for years and years by W and Cheney. You presume way more that you should in your rant about CEO deals and bonuses. I am most definitely NOT okay with any of that nonsense, but as soon as the subject of corporate anti-trust laws or regulations is raised, we hear all about socialist takeover, and big government blah, blah, blah, and itâs not coming from my side of the aisle. Obama did not âmake the middle class poor,â something that did not suddenly surface since January 20, 2009, but one might reasonably assume that serial tax breaks to the rich over the past decade could have played some part in that.
Sorry, but the time is not yet past for him to fix the catastrophe, but I wonât argue that point either because time will tell as it always does. I also do not buy into the rightâs latest mantra that the administration is not transparent, especially when compared to the hunker-down-in-the-bunker and pull-the-puppet-strings approach to leadership we barely endured recently.
For your prediction about the future elections to come to pass, the pubs are going to have to come up with two things they are sorely lacking at the moment: leadership and agendas aimed at solving problems. Surely you cannot believe that the party of no and the teabaggers are going to rise out of the ashes and save the day. Puleeze.
Could somebody please answer my original question? - shabbychick
[ In Reply To ..]WTG, TXMT! It's about time all of the people complaining at what a terrible job (so they think) Obama is doing realized that he inherited 8 years of the worst presidency in the history of our country. Give the man a chance to turn things around. Success takes time...
Typical, typical... keep blaming Bush that Obama - is a disaster. 1 year -10x worse.nm
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I beg to differ. There were worse presidents. - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]But, their records didn't come out for a few years. I wasn't into politics back then but the names Johnson, Ford, Carter, come to mind as the weakest, which reminds me of O.
Kennedy brings to mind one of the strongest but years later, he pulled some really big uh-ohs which reminds me of Clinton.
I would love to see O take the high road, but so far, it's not happening. I've been reading some foreign newspapers and they think he's weak and indecisive, but on the good side, he's an eloquent speaker. These papers state that he has been trying to "smooth things over" by talking, but they want to see action (i.e., $$). Obviously, it hasn't happened and some countries are getting a wee bit disgruntled.
I can't give sources right now. I've read quite a few newspapers today and it's disheartening to learn that we are almost right back where we were when Bush was president with the exception that O doesn't have the arrogance that Bush had.
IMHO, I'd rather arrogance than to go through the stress of terror attacks day in/day out.
Keith Olberman?!!! IS THAT YOU?! - Wow!
[ In Reply To ..]Carter was the worst president in history.
Until Obama.
Clearly you have no knowledge of American history. :P
^5 to TXMT and you! (sm) - Nikki
[ In Reply To ..]I couldn't agree with you both more!
He has a four-year term. I'm more than willing to give him a chance, just as I did with Bush (until I found out he was lying about WMD in Iraq).
I have a feeling he's getting all the spending out of the way and will devote the next three years trying to clean up the deficit and create jobs.
He's by far not a stupid person. I see his deliberative calmness as an incredible strength.
Could not have said it better myself. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]One does not have to look any further than this forum to see just how difficult it is to keep a "deliberative calmness" in the midst of such unrest and turmoil.
Wish all of us could demonstrate some of that - Colleen
[ In Reply To ..]thoughtful intelligence, and a calm, open mind. I am with Nikki. I was willing to give Bush a chance. Then came 9/11 and I, like the rest of the country got behind him. Then the lies started coming out, attacking of the wrong country, and so on. I am also willing to give Obama a chance although, and I am sorry but it is simply a fact, he has a much bigger hole to dig himself out of than Bush did and so we would do well to demonstrate some patience and back him us as well, at least for the time being.
Wish I could see that in O, but I see a fakeness - and arrogance that is frightening.nm
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That is because you do not want to open your - Colleen
[ In Reply To ..]mind and give it some time, and he deserves to be given some time. I do not agree with him on everything either, but I do think his heart is in the right place and given the condition of things when he took over, we owe him that.
How blind do you have to be? How much - MTfromLA
[ In Reply To ..]hatred do you have to harbor for GWB? Unless you are totally oblvious, blind to what Obama is doing and so filled with hate for Bush that it is impossible for you to see the truth right in front of your face, you could never make such an assinine statement as you did above! What in the world makes you think O has made it "extremely clear that he has made fighting terrorism a prority," when he couldn't even say the word until this, the third, terrorist attempt on his watch? You are surely not for real.
Sorry emanon I so disagree with you - anon
[ In Reply To ..]I have to agree with TX. He is making our country weaker. It is so blatantly obvious with everything he has done since he has been in. We hoped the other countries would respect us, but they don't. They never have and they never will and it doesn't matter whether it's a democrat or republican in. The truth of the matter is that we are weak as a nation and our leader is making the country weaker. Other countries laugh at us. I so do not agree with Bush's policies when he was in. I have my ideas about why he did what he did, but I'll keep those to myself (it's not good tho I'll tell ya).
Here is the bottom line for me. President Bush sure did make a mess out of things. But instead of cleaning up, he's continuing on the same mess the previous leader did.
Also, he needs to start taking responsibility for his mistakes and he is not. He would rather blame everything on the previous one, even though what he is doing has nothing to do with the last. How can he claim that continuing to lay people off, sending jobs overseas, foreclosing on homes and putting people homeless, and hungry is his predecessors fault. I heard a guest speaker on Cavuto today (some minister or priest - forget his name), and he was talking about taking responsibility. It's just something this current administration is not doing.
It's long past fixing Bush's problems he created. Those have been fixed. Now everything he is doing is all his and this current admins fault. You really need to start putting blame where blame is due, and it is due in this current admin.
It's hard to believe you people still exist. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Since nearly every one else in the country has wised up to Obama's snake oil salesman ways, it's amazing there are any of you Bushwhackers left.
Obama's brought us respect?!?!
Are you kidding me?!?!
He's laughed at wherever he goes.
Do you even READ international news?
Boy, it must really burn your britches that your annointed one has been dropping drones on innocent women and children. Guess he's going to be tried for war crimes.
That is, if he isn't impeached for his lies and corruption first.
At least Bush kept us safe.
As long as OBubble Boy's in the oval office, no one in this country is safe. The terrorists knows he hasn't got a pair when it comes to dealing with serious threats.
Three terrorist attacks on American soil witin 6 months.
Well done, Democraps!
Nobama - anon
[ In Reply To ..]Ah, but you have forgotten one important factor here, my conservative friend - libs will stoop to anything to get their agenda across - I don't think Obama will ever be impeached because they'll play the race card, saying he's only being impeached because he's black. It won't matter if he embezzles millions or commits treason - they will say it is because he is black. And that will cause riots like we've never seen, and the liberal media will play on that and feed it.
Then we'll only impeach his white half. - they gotta love that
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Reply - LOL! nm
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One thing that is true: (sm) - Nikki
[ In Reply To ..]The biggest attack on US soil occurred under President Bush's watch.
And I agree with your entire post, especially the statement that Obama has lifted us up out of the utter hatred the rest of the world had for us because of Bush's arrogance.
I wonder how much you know about "the rest of the world." - SM
[ In Reply To ..]All you Bushies who think our reputation in the world has been saved by the huckster in the oval O must have had a very limited experience with the outside world.
I wonder, do you guys ever travel?
Do you know anyone from another culture?
Have you bothered to watch BBC News or even know anybody who does?
Or do you spend all your times standing in Welfare, Medicaid and Food Stamp lines waiting for your Cradle-To-Grave entitlements to send you some of that 'O'Bama Money?' LOL!
What if the whole world could vote? - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]Please take a moment to inspect this global electral college map. Every citizen of the US should try to recognize and reflect on what TREMENDOUS political calpitol this one image represents.
http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/
Good thing we're AMERICA then. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Speaking for myself, I have ancestors who faced death, imprisonment, genocide, starvation, hatred, injustice, labor camps, and coffin ships so they could come and be part of America.
Cause, as it turns out, the rest of the world wasn't such a swell place to be, especially before America set the standard for liberty and freedom.
If the whole world could vote for the American president, we'd be no better than the rest of those socialist, self-serving, cheque-cashing a$$hats.
Ummmmm.....pass.
Seriously, if you like the way they run things in Spain or Malta, by all means, get thee to it.
And leave the Americans to run America they way they see fit.
And people risk their lives every day to come here. - Oodles
[ In Reply To ..]We must be doing something right.
Three million people every year become naturalized citizens of our great country.
Countless millions more risk their lives to crawl, swim, or be smuggled across our boarders.
Now I see the reason Democrats have an A@@ as their mascott.
My post was in response to the question - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]what do you (addressed to Nikki) know about the rest of the world? Her contention was that Obama has lifted us out of the world-wide hatred of the Bush administration. I posted the global electoral map in support of that statement, which I think beautifully illustrates her claim.
Some among us understand that those proclamations of cultural superiority and standardbearers of democracy in the free world are precisely the sentiments that continue to fuel Islamic extremism and have contributed to the terrorism that has been inflicted on our citizens. It comes as no suprise that the value of world opinion from the rest of the world's "self-serving socialists" and implicit third world peon populations in terms of political capital would pass right over the head of those whose knee-jerk reactions always seem to be some sort of variation of that tired, hackneyed America love-it-or-leave-it admonition.
That was taken in 2008. A lot of minds have changed since then. - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]A lot of countries have taken their blinders off. He made a lot of promises to them, too, that have not panned out.
I'll get back to you on this.
Excellent. I'll be watching. sm - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]I am aware of the timing. I just thought it was a good response to the context of the thread and supported Nikki's statement well. I would be interested in informed conversation on this subject, pros and cons. To say that 1 year in the midst of economic collapse and health care reform is not a lot of time to cover all bases would be stating the obvious. My concern is more centered around the loss of the incredibly valuable political capital I mentioned but would welcome a chance to discuss related issues with someone who is engaged enough to research their own points, whether I agree with them or not.
Terrorists - anon
[ In Reply To ..]Look at the events of previous administrations leading up to the events on 9/11:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1108949/posts
Obama has made it clear by his actions and priorities in his last year that terrorism is just not a top priority. You really think those terrorists started putting the plot together the day Bush took office? All of them finished flight school or whatever planning was necessary in 10 months? We didn't see it coming and I don't know where the blame lies. The fact of the matter is that we were attacked and we put measures in place to keep that from happening again, and it didn't happen again under W. W. leaves office and there are 3 attempts already under O? What does that say about him? That they feel he is weak, especially on terror.
Quit apologizing for the United States and prove you're proud to be a citizen. Oh, wait, we still don't even know that for sure.
Terrorist attacks that did not happen under W... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The shoebomber attack, Anthrax attacks on ABC, CBS, NBC, The New York Post, The National Enquirer, The Sun, TomDaschle, Patrick Leahy, US postal workers, including the 22 people who sustained Anthrax infections, 5 of whom died. Then there was the Mailbox pipe bomber, the Los Angeles Airport shooting, the beltway sniper attacks, UNC Chapel Hill SUV attack, the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting, NYC Mexican Consulate grenade incident, pipe bombings of the Federal Courthouse Building and FedEx in San Diego, the attack on the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville,Tennessee, the attacks on the White House e-mail computer archives, attack on the Little Rock, Arkansas Army/Navy Career Center, the shooting at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, denial of service attack on United States and South Korean government websites as well as websites for the Washington Post and NASDAQ. Don't think this is a complete list, but I think you get the drift.
You believe these all happened under Obama? Some of them happened - under BUSH!
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I was being facetious. They happened on W's watch. - That was the whole point of the post. nm
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LOL! And no responses to your post. I wonder why. (nm) - Nikki
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Terrorist attacks that did not happen under Clinton - anon
[ In Reply To ..]List of terrorist attacks under Clintonâs watch.
Oct. 12, 2000 â A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.
Aug. 7, 1998 â Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.
June 21, 1998 â Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
July 27, 1996 â A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.
June 25, 1996 â A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.
Nov. 13, 1995 â A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The âTigers of the Gulf,â âIslamist Movement for Change,â and âFighting Advocates of Godâ claim responsibility.
April 19, 1995 â A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.
February 1993 â A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New Yorkâs World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.
Tit for tat.
Tit for tat? We could do that all day, but - TXMT
[ In Reply To ..]I am not into gameplaying. In the words of Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, "I meant AFTER 911." I have already acknowledged Clinton-era terrorism in this thread. I have yet to see any pub step forward and acknowledge the terrorist events that occurred under W. I think we can both agree that we are living in a different world than we were back in the Clinton years.
It is impossible to have a dialog on Obama's national security policies or effectiveness without bringing up the apparatus that is still in place, assembled by the previous administration. The lies of omission perpetrated by W supporters and perpetuated on cable news that allowed such grossly inaccurate statements to stand unchallenged during the Bush era and as most recently as a few days ago (ala George Stephanopoulis) is no longer tolerable, especially in light of Cheney's rhetoric that is aimed directly at undermining perceptions of national security both here and abroad. Pubs can expect to be called on this divisive tactic every time they try to use it, whether they acknowledge the not so effective attempts of W to "keep us safe" or not.
Believe me - every new president deserves - sm - meemee
[ In Reply To ..]time in office to really get meaningful things accomplished. My main worry is his focus - the monumental mess they call healthcare reform, and nothing about creating jobs. Why have "affordable" health care when so many are without jobs? They couldn't afford it if it were free. And all those add-ons in the bill, the latest one about the tax on high-end. Those of us who have been paying out-the-nose for healthcare, must we now pay even more to sweeten the coffers?
So many people in this country are hurting, and hurting NOW. Foreclosures, collections, unpaid debts. Surely NOT Obama's fault, but what is REALLY being done about this? This should be TOP priority, not extending the war or making a name for yourself by "improving" health care for the country. Give people jobs so they can pay their bills, and THEN worry about extra money to pay for health care.
Just my opinion.
Hard to forget - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]Puppet, huh? It's very hard to forget the last administration and all its mistakes when the right keeps dredging up the same ol' buzz words that were used to describe Dubya.
Trust me, we'd all like to forget that period. So can you write to the wingnuts that spoon feed you your opinions and ask them to get some original criticisms? Recycling Dubya's faults and trying to make them stick on Obama isn't helping us forget at all.
NJ
We are even then, since I'd like to forget Obama.nm - mtt22
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oh I so agree 100% - anon
[ In Reply To ..]I don't listen to anything he has to say anymore. He's lied so much that nothing he says is believable. I just don't trust the man. He's no different than Bush. I only listen if DH has it on, and even then I don't really listen, just things here and there or if the news recaps what he said. Today DH had it on. He tried to look mad, but it just wasn't believable. Then of course it all boils down to pushing those intrusive airport xry machines that of course they'll be profitting off of. All I say is I don't trust him, I don't believe him. Gee wonder why.
Bozo - anon
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah, how's the transparency and global warming thing working out for all of you? He's getting to the point of no longer having broken campaign promises and just being a flat out liar.
Good riddance, Reid and Dodd.
I would like to know.... - cj
[ In Reply To ..]Is there anything at all on which you do not defend Obama or anything with which you could find and admit any fault or wrong and is there anything for which you would give Bush any credit? Or do you truly believe Obama is infallible and Bush the ultimate evil?
Info for ya - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]cj, I've posted on this board about my disappointments with Obama. My previous response in this thread was because of BT's backhanded compliment, in which s/he admitted to liking Obama's speech but couldn't refrain from the "puppet" shot.
Dubya was well-known as Cheney's puppet. The people who kept backing Dubya were said to "drink the Kool-Aid". Those criticisms are being recycled as right wing talking points by unimaginative Republican leaders who really don't have much to criticize Obama about. They are using the old Dubya faults as if people will remember hearing them for years, so it must be true (even though those years it was about Dubya).
Your post, cj, is a disappointment also. You have made decent points and brought up interesting prospectives in other posts, at other times. Now you revert to an old and tired accusation that I've refuted in the past.
Hyperbole. It's a very dull weapon.
NJ
Credit for what? - Fingers
[ In Reply To ..]What credit does he deserve? I cannot think of one positive aspect of his tenure in office except BarneyCam. He started a war on a pretext (Iran) while eschewing responsibility for the war in Afghanistan where the actual terrorits were. He outsourced our military's safety to subsidiaries of Haliburton, which just happened to be Dick Cheney's employer prior to his call to be VEEP,w with contractors giving us barracks with showers that electrocute soldiers and drinking water for our troops direct from the Tigris River to the tap. Mmm-mmm!!!! And what about our economic free-fall? That would take pages to outline. How about "No Child Left Behind," an unfunded mandate to the states that has left schools teaching to the tests, graduating people incapable of writing a cogent sentence or making change in a grocery store, but by God they can take tests. And lest I forget, "You're doin' a heck of a job, Brownie!" The people of New Orleans still suffer. How about the publicity ride on the aircraft carrier, flight suit and all, and "Mission accomplished!" banner pasted across the forecastle. That little stunt was an affront to all non-draft-dodging service men and women. I'm sure I could go on. For the record, I am not enamoured of Obama, but I do believe he is leading us in the right direction despite being harried at every turn by those who wish to win and are positioning for 2012 at the expense of governing now in 2010. There has to be more to this country than winning or losing, and if there isn't, God help us all.
Speech - vikefan
[ In Reply To ..]I saw bits and pieces and thought it was a good speech. Prior to this, I felt he didn't seem to think national security was a big issue until it almost hits home. Again. That is the strongest I have heard him sound and it actually sounded like he had finally grown a set. It did make me feel a little better. Honestly, I have not felt secure as far as terrorists are concerned, since he took office. A friend's son in Iraq said a couple of years ago that leaders over in the middle east couldn't wait for Bush to leave office. Bush left, now they're trying all over again.
But you're right - talk is cheap. We'll see what happens.
I didn't think much of what Napolitano said but I was impressed with the guy before her, I believe he's the assistant to the prez on Homeland Security.
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