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Syria crisis a Chess game. Putin sends warships

Posted: Sep 2, 2013

Putin sending warships to the Mediterranean.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/syria-russia-spy-ship-us-military

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Amid-Syria-tensions-Russia-sends-more-warships-to-Mediterranean-324638

Putin says Obama Administration is like a Monkey with a hand grenade.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12310/like-monkey-hand-grenade-u-s-policy-mideast/

“He who talks a lot doesn’t act,” said Souad, a Damascus resident, mocking US President Barack Obama as a “coward” for delaying a decision to attack the Syrian regime.

“Obama is a coward. He didn’t strike because he knows that our President Bashar (al-Assad) is all-powerful,” said the employee of nationality electricity firm Ferdaws, in the northeast of the capital.

In the wealthy neighbourhood people went about their business without seeming too worried about the thuds from intermittent shelling of rebel positions outside the city centre.

Maariv quoted an unnamed diplomatic source in Jerusalem Sunday who bluntly called US President Barack Obama a "coward" for stepping back from an attack on Syria.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/01/syrians-mock-obama-the-coward/

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171509#.UiSgsj_TcUM

UNITED STATES DEGADED MILITARY HAS NO MONEY LEFT TO STRIKE SYRIA.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/inhofe-US-obama-troops/2013/08/30/id/523224

“As a result of the President’s historic cuts to our defense budget, our military forces are at decreased readiness levels – so much so that General Dempsey said we are putting the military on a path where the ‘force is so degraded and so unready’ that it would be ‘immoral to use the force.’
“As a superpower we have a responsibility to follow through on our commitments and ensure the security of our allies and partners – as the President pointed out – but at the same time our President has decimated our military which is tasked to fulfill those responsibilities

http://newsok.com/article/3878231?prevArticle=1

With Barack Obama's Rose Garden statement on Saturday, the Israeli website Marriv is reporting that an unnamed diplomat official in Jerusalem bluntly called Barack Obama a "coward" for stepping back from an attack on Syria. Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/israeli-official-calls-barack-obama-coward/#ixzz2dkH9XmtW
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/israeli-official-calls-barack-obama-coward/#tLdrKy4vZoBXwwlT.99

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Oh goodie, leaders of nations resort to - name-calling and taunting.

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I honestly don't know what the right thing to do is in this situation. I don't have all the information and I probably never will.

What I do know is that these taunts and name-callings from other countries are hardly important. They're meant to inflame and create more conflict. Our goal should always be to promote peace and civility in the world. If other leaders are taunting us for not taking immediate action, that says more about them than us. I prefer we take a more thoughtful approach.

I don't want the US to do anything hastily. I would not feel good about that.

These people can keep talking--it should not phase us.

Obama rhetoric of drawing the line caused himself - to be boxed in about Syria.

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http://www.vice.com/read/ride-lines-in-syria-obamas-trapped-by-his-own-rhetoric

But reality has trumped invention, and Obama is trapped by his own rhetoric. On at least five separate occasions, he has warned that if the autocratic Syrian government crossed a “red line” by going chemical against rebel forces, America would be compelled to act for moral reasons. Obama: “I have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer.” Obama: “As president of the United States, I don’t bluff.”

Nonsense. None of these words are reasons for - anything. Big, big geoeconopolitical

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factors are. Go read about those. It's guaranteed to make one less impressed with silly noise.

Well, I feel it's right for us to do something. - But not hastily, and not

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necessarily a military strike. Do we have other options? I'd prefer another option, such as humanitarian aid or--am I crazy? An arrest of Assad for war crimes.

I really am ignorant about the whole thing, I just would like to know what our other options are. I could care less about red lines drawn, blah blah blah. I care about what decisions we make, and that's it.

Basically with you. Obama's "red line" was a decision, - though, an attempt to deter gassing

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of its own people by the Syrian government.

There are a lot of little nations in that area, 5 of which share borders directly with Syria. Use of gas is a significant concern to all of them, particularly Turkey and Jordan, whose borders have already been violated by Syria's attacks on refugees, but Syria is too powerful for them to take on without the whole region dissolving into full-out war. Israel is one of them, of course.

I'm willing to trust Obama's decisions on this because he has a very well-earned reputation for reluctance to use military force and a desire to get our soldiers out of the Middle East as soon as possible. His drone strikes have diminished terrorist threats substantially, but he knew all along that those would also build fear and hate for us in those nations and that those need to be stopped as soon as he can also.

No warmonger here. If we strike Syria, it'll be because he feels we can't afford not to.

Bush's right wing neocons were eager to invade the Middle East, but they're not in the White House now and it's very different now.

Did you hear Charlie Rangel say we need to reinstate draft? - (msg)

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That oughta solve the problem, ya think? Maybe they can figure out how to stop WWIII that is coming.

He's been saying that since 9/11. Nothing new and - has nothing to do with

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Syria or wingers' WWIII fear mongering. He sees it as a "great equalizer" that will insure that privileged kids would have to serve alongside the poor ones. He wants conscription to be universal and to include women, so that future generations would all have a PERSONAL stake in waging war as parents and grandparents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friend and neighbors. I'd be willing to bet even HE has lost count of how many times he has introduced such bills over the years. After all this time, it's nothing more than a symbolic gesture that he knows has no chance of passing, kinda like House pubs and their 40-something attempts to repeal Obamacare.

This reality check would tend to relegate your rhetorical question to the moot point pile.

US opponents: "I double-dog-dare ya." - sm

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This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is designed to successfully provoke GOP hawks into action.

True, but we have no money. Our Military is - degraded because no money.

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The polls showed that most of the United States people didn't care about foreign policy. Obama and his administration basically suck when it comes to foreign policy and I will never forget the Benghazi attack. Don't forget, Anniversary of 9/11 is coming. I have NEVER in my life felt so ashamed and not proud and want my country back. I am shocked we have not had our own civil war.

I am shocked anyone would think of a civil war - here.

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I find the idea of a civil war here to be completely off-base and inappropriate. Look at what other countries are going through. We have it so much better. I'm grateful to live in the US, and I love my country, even the people who I don't agree with. I think anyone who believes we are on the brink of a civil war is way off-base.

It would be the people against the government. - Most Americans do not want strike.

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I do not know of any American from what I am reading or talking to who want to strike Syria. This is from the Liberal side.

DHS shrinking military and making domestic military - and it is unconstitutional.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJiQkKoIeFw

When Obamacare is implemented, there will be forced home inspections.

there will be no forced home inspections - sm

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/homeinspections.asp

Good job. Another fabricated alarmist urban myth - bites the dust. nm

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If only. :) Someone who believes this will believe - anything that pleases. Literally. nm

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You know one now. Liberal to the bone, strongly opposed to war - but

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even more opposed to the deaths, injuries, displacement, magnitude of suffering, human rights violations, war crimes and genocidal chemical weapons attacks at the hands of this monster.

I lived in Syria for 2 years during Hafez Assad's brutal reign of terror. I have family and friends there. I do not know if they are alive or dead, or if they have become refugees. The lovely mountain village where I stayed has been decimated and looks like a ghost town. The once peaceful residents there are now all armed to the teeth. Not surprisingly, like so many other regions, it has become an FSA rebel stronghold, which explains why periodically army tanks run through destroying the houses and crops. Electricity is frequently interrupted for hours or even days at a time. A generation of kids has lost its childhood. Only 3 schools remain open on days they have utility services. This has been going on for more than two years.

The chemical weapons attacks are THE last straw. Military intervention is long, long overdue. This is way beyond the political realm. For anyone with loved ones there, it boils down to the most basic moral concepts of right and wrong, and good versus evil.

So much to my dismay, I find myself being strongly supportive of John (The Hawk) McCain's position. I want to see more than just a punitive strike, though I'd settle for that if nothing else. I want to see the US go in there and TAKE ASSAD OUT, either with or without congressional approval or help from our allies.
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This is the way it is when it's truly REAL to someone. - I hope your friends and family make it through, an

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that something we do does help them substantially.

Liberals are against war and aggression, not the government. - only extremists resort to

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threatening and fantasizing about a civil war of people v government.

Only a deluded TP mind would believe that liberals would ever join the the TP conservative cause of extremism/civil uprising against the government.

Is this what is circulating around the RW "Kooler"?

Liberals are not against war - They are voting for it

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Since you are not aware of that.

I was posting in response to "most Americans do not want strike." - as in nonelected officialsNM

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Maybe you didn't follow the thread, but I wasn't referring to members of Congress. I was responding to polls showing Americans are against the strike, and most of them on the "Liberal side."

How does that equate to a civil war? - nm

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our military is not degraded - thanks for your support

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How do you know Military is not degraded? - Not ready?

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/inhofe-US-obama-troops/2013/08/30/id/523224

Am I the only one who feels our military - spending has been wreckless

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and bloated and desperately needed to be reigned in?

For example, ask produce brokers who their dream clients are--the military, because they pay twice as much for product as anyone else. There is no bargain shopping in the military. They pay sticker price, which is always jacked up because everyone knows the military will pay it.

Warships in the Mediterranean loaded for bear with missiles - poised for attack,

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ordered to move in closer by military commanders and currently in a holding pattern would indicate the military has been, is and will be ready for THIS strike if and when the order comes.

Ok. We strike. You think this will be all over? - Look out for WW3.

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Last night I listened to a bunch of University students who are getting bugout bags ready and deciding where would be a good place to go, like a cabin in case Russia and other countries have war against USA.

Is Russia ready to strike too?

I've posted this link before - and many on here said

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said it was RW conspiracy nonsense. Now it all seems to be coming to pass just like these guys said it would. BTW I am an O supporter and liberal, but it really makes me think.

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-road-to-world-war-3

Linked site reminds me of science fiction comics I read - in 3rd grade.

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In the words of Vladimir Putin, utter nonsense.

Remember when O was elected and we talked - about sheepel and FEMA camps.

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Here are some locations of FEMA camps near you.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/find-the-fema-camp-nearest-you_062013

If this is what you believe, what are you doing sitting - around chatting about it? Shouldn't

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you be sneaking from bush to bush, making your way to some border?

I never knew about this post. This video shows - a marine talk about O the puppet.

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http://general.mtstars.com/359872.html

This is about the banks who are powerful. Sounds like mafia going on in our own government. I am not sure about 9/11 though in this video.

The guys with the freak-out bags - are beyond help.

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As for Russia's readiness to "strike" (I presume you mean the US), you be the judge. As posted earlier, the US is #1 in global military power. It's closest contender is Russia at #2. If you go to this link, you can see a side-by-side comparison of just how close #2 is. Needless to say, given the hard data, Putin would be a fool to try.

The best the blustering Bolshevik can muster is a spy ship he's sending to "protect national interests" of Russia in the case of a US strike, since they have a permanent naval base in Tartous, Syria on the Mediterranean they have a right to secure. Also, the ships the media are reporting today are being sent part of a long-planned rotation that are to relieve some old tugs they routinely keep stationed in the Mediterranean.

As for Russia's readiness to "strike" (I presume you mean the US), you be the judge. As posted earlier, the US is #1 in global military power. It's closest contender is Russia at #2. If you go to the link, you can see for yourself a side-by-side comparison of just how close #2 is. Needless to say, given the hard data, Putin would be a fool to try.

The best the blustering Bolshevik can muster is a spy ship he's sending to "protect national interests" of Russia in the case of a US strike, since they have a permanent naval base in Tartous, Syria on the Mediterranean they have a right to secure. Also, the ships the media are reporting on today are being sent as part of a long-planned rotation to relieve some old tugs they routinely keep stationed in the Mediterranean.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=United-States-of-America&country2=Russia&Submit=Compare+Countries

Umm, the US military power is #1 in the world. - That is indisputable fact. nm

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Degraded, the viewpoint you express has little - relation to reality. It is a direct

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result of the peculiar sources you go to for information. You say you're shocked we haven't dissolved into civil war. Most would find the very notion bizarre, and shocking that you think others would be willing join you in destroying what we have. Actually, most of us believe we still have much to be proud of and to preserve.

As for "YOUR country BACK"? Of all the nerve. Our nation is the same nation it always has been, and your share is the same as it always was, approximately 1/300,000,000th.

If you've just woken up (or not) to the fact that hundreds of millions of Democrats, moderates and minorities are also American citizens and that the wealthy conservatives you trusted have been cheating you into the poorhouse--oh, well.

The 12 years of public education we all get are supposed to be built on through the years by by our experiences and other means of continued learning. High school graduation is never meant to be the brief high point of a person's intellectual development.

Love this post. - nm

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What do you mean by "I want my country back"? - NM

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and you promote it - good job

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Sequester was GOPs baby. - Lest we forget. nm

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We do not have the funds. - Go more in debt?

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We are already in debt.

How can funds be unspent for preps that are - already in place? nm

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The aftermath after strike. - Besides, most Americans

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Do not want the strike to take place. I live in one of the most heavily Democratic states and most polls at the news stations in my city DO NOT want a strike at all and if Obama goes through with it, they would have no respect for him. Polls on Facebook even state not only NO to a strike, but HELL NO to a strike and fear Obama is narcissistic that he would go through with the strike.

In matters of foreign policy, I always consult - Facebook first

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and rely on local polls for guidance second.

How many respondents could locate Syria on an unmarked map of the Middle East? Could they name Syria's president? It's capitol? Describe the immediate effects of sarin gas exposure on human beings? Count to 1,429? Know how many square feet it takes to lay 425 children's corpses out shoulder-to-shoulder on a wet dirty marble floor or how many miles 100,000 dead men, women and children would span when arranged head-to-toe-to-head-to-toe? Imagine what the exodus of 7 million refugees looks like? Name the top 20 different torture methods used by the Syrian army on detained protesters, POWs and defectors?

Over 65,000 just on 1 post, mostly stating they - are liberals and not wanting strike,

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And there are plenty of other posts from news media with Americans not wanting Obama to strike Syria, then yes I do believe United States could have a civil war, people against the government.

How does one get from liberals opposing war/violence to a civil uprising - against the gov?

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By definition, liberals are going to oppose war, striking other countries, any aggression, etc.

To find that a majority of liberals oppose Obama's proposition to strike Syria is not a reflection on disagreeing with Obama per se, but in opposition to the basic premise of war and aggression as a solution.

Liberals do understand the rationale behind aggression and punitive strikes, especially when innocent people are being targeted inhumanely, as in the case of Syria. But aggression as a solution is not a liberal principle.

They certainly will not to go the extreme of waging or supporting some kind of civil war against the government. That kind of supposition might come from a TP conservative mindset, and I doubt any liberal would appreciate a conservative projecting the ridiculous notion of civil war against the government as an option a liberal would consider.

you have to pass through the valley of darkness - nm

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No, hun. The sequester was Obama's idea. - nm

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Lest we forget.

Sequester was first introduced by Jack Kingston R-GA - in 2010,

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Hun. Go here to read more.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/02/27/republican-jack-kingston-introduced-sequestration-gop-reform-2010.html

or here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704700204575642702239206256.html

or here for the full 18-page text. You'd probably enjoy this the most since it has so many pretty colored pie charts and flow charts:

http://ww1.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1kingston.pdf

Then there was John Boehner's 2011 sequester Power Point presentation found here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/02/20/sequester_powerpoint_in_2011_john_boehner_was_touting_the_sequester.html

Paul Ryan''s been a member of the sequester fan club since 2004:

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/02/24/paul-ryan-fought-sequester-2004-bragged-2011-likey-anymore.html

You can run, but you can't hide.

Sen. Johanns: Democrats Marching Toward - Second Sequester

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http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/johanns-democrats-second-sequester/2013/08/14/id/520375

In an op-ed piece for The Wall Street Journal, the Nebraska Republican wrote Tuesday that the "Democratic-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee is spending $91 billion above and beyond levels agreed to in the Budget Control Act of 2011."

"This irresponsible behavior," he added, "sends us careening toward a new round of sequester cuts and fails to fulfill our obligation to responsibly allocate taxpayer dollars, opting instead to keep spending beyond our means."

"The responsible way for Senate Democrats to avoid another sequester," he wrote, would be to "make the tough spending choices as each appropriations bill works through the committee.

"Instead, they have taken the easy way out and put us on a path toward another round of the very cuts the president spent much of this year railing against," he added.

If it happens, the Obama administration will surely complain again, Johanns continued. "And when they do, they'll know just who to blame. The Senate Democrats will own the next sequester."

OK. GOP owns 1st real sequester, dems MIGHT own the hypothetical one - Johanns is speculating about.

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Got it !

Why do you always call people "Hun"? It's insulting, condescending, and - inappropriate

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Lest we forget our manners and civility.

And you are incorrect to boot.

Now let's see here. Putin is clueless about - democratic process

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and therefore cannot grok the concept of seeking approval from elected representatives. Residents from the NE districts of Damascus where all the chemical weapons attacks happened (one of whom is obviously an ardent supporter of the Butcher) are understandably disappointed. Wealthy Syrians whose neighborhoods have been spared the wrath of Syria's military feel invincible. Senator Inhofe (conspicuously unnamed in the citation, but sourced in the link), the guy who demanded INCREASES in the DOD budget during sequestration which he voted against when he didn't get them, is weighing in before the debate has even begun. Another blaring omission in this selective presentation is Inhofe's closing conditional statement of support:

"I would consider strong decisive action but only if it supports a comprehensive strategy for Syria and the Middle East, if it is not open-ended, and if the President funds such a contingency operation after proper consultation with Congress. I look forward to the Syria debate before Congress, and I hope my colleagues will join me in holding our Commander-in-chief accountable to presenting America with long-term strategy."

Somehow these comments do not seem to merit the sea of red ink you've put on display here.

I say let Russia take the lead and strike first. - nm

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? Russia is Syria's ally. They aren't going - to strike.

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The warship they sent is for gathering intelligence.

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I'm afraid that my answer to Kentuckian wouldn't be seen since I didn't realize that the posts were so far down on the page. i think i posted the wrong link in that post, too, but it was also good info. :) How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett Commentary by Kevin Hassett - September 22, 2008 00:04 EDT Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans by ...