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Britain votes NOT to intervene in Syria


Posted: Aug 29, 2013

They stated they didn't have enough evidence that it was Assad who did it, so they want to wait for the U.N. report.

Obama seems to be pushing on, holding conference calls with "some" congressional members, but not all. Kerry and Hagel still seem to want intervention stating Assad is behind the whole thing. Syria and Iran has threatened to bomb Israel IF the U.S. intervenes.

So....what's the answer? Yes or No and why? 

British MPs have voted to reject possible military action against the Assad regime in Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons.

A government motion was defeated 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

Prime Minster David Cameron said it was clear Parliament does not want action and "the government will act accordingly".

It effectively rules out British involvement in any US-led strikes against the Assad regime.

And it comes as blow to the authority of David Cameron, who had already watered down a government motion proposing military action, in response to the opposition Labour Party's demands for more evidence of Assad's guilt.

Labour had seen its own amendment - calling for "compelling" evidence - rejected by MPs by 114 votes.

But - in an unexpected turn of events - MPs also rejected the government's motion in support of military action in Syria if it was supported by evidence from United Nations weapons inspectors, who are investigating claims President Bashar al-Assad's regime had used chemical weapons against civilians.

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I think we need to wait for the UN report - as well. nm.

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I hear that should be Sunday... - ZvilleMT

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Monday at the latest. I hope that no matter the outcome, there's a lot of thinking involved before any action is taken - I'm not sure this is a fight we want to stick our noses into.

I'm not an expert on foreign policy or historical events leading - up to this, but

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Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the UN or some world policing organization to figure this out?

If government sanctioned gassing of citizens occurs, it shouldn't be allowed to be used as a pawn piece to provoke an attack from another country, or provide another country "justification" (domestically political or otherwise) for invading, attacking, launching missiles, etc., or not doing same because of political implications it could impose on the country whose intention is to punish, or impede or prevent inhumane attacks on citizens.

I know, in a perfect world... but it seems unfair to put this on the shoulders of the US or any single country.

This is a no-win situation.
Totally agree. - ZvilleMT
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From what I understand, the UN is only there to determine whether gas was used, not who used it - I think that's kind of important too. But you're right - it shouldn't fall on just one country to take care of something like this and I think it would be a big mistake for us to think differently. I'm wondering why the Arab Emeritus hasn't done anything. They certainly don't want Syria to ally with Iran.
So, how should, or shouldn't the world react when - a nation murders its citizens? nm
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I was thinking a lot about this today - sm
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I'm not the person you replied to or any of the posters here, but I was just thinking about this today, a lot. And not because of Syria, but your question is what I was wondering when I heard the news of Kim Jung Un (or whatever his name is) had his old girlfriend murdered. Why? because they claim she had sex with someone and got it on camera and that she also had a Bible. I read that if people have a Bible in that country they get the death penalty (I think that's what I read). So what about countries like that? That country does for certain murder its citizens. Why are they not intervening in that country? Why only certain countries? I don't understand it. I have no idea why, but reading the news that they killed her by firing squad and made her family watch and then seeing the pic of he and his wife looking well fed and dressed very nicely walking down the road with smiles on their faces just really affected me. Just made me very sad. So why are we not helping the people of that country, but are helping people in another country. I just don't understand.
What a question. Constantly asked. Systematic - murder is going on in Sudan.
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The world has done almost nothing for the poor people of this poor country.

I start a MOOC on world history since 1300 in September. So far 18,000 people from many countries are enrolled. When and why war is sure to come up often, and their comments are going to be interesting.

For now, all I can think is that war is is incredibly expensive and horrible. Even well-meaning actions have to offer some real benefit to would-be "white-hatters" to get them to take action. Certainly, voters in democracies would not tolerate for long nothing but sacrifice for faceless people on other continents.

England's parliament just voted no, supposedly reflecting its populaces' unwillingness to put teeth behind the international law it signed onto that outlaws use of poison gas.

BTW, Kim Hung Un, busy little man that he was, didn't kill 1,000,000 of his country's people by himself. He had lots of help from masses of their fellow citizens who did what he told them--that these people were bad and NEEDED to be killed. I look at this board and often think I know who would murder their neighbors if told to by a dictator.
Great post -- especially your last sentence!! - Libby
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They don't intervene in North Korea because they have nukes - Truthhurts
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and aren't afraid to use them, especially pointing them at Alaska, Japan, or South Korea, all friends.

That's the only reason I can figure that they are a no touch country. Same with China and Russia. That's why the U.S. bends over backwards to to get them mad.

That's exactly right. But he beats his little chest at Syria. - Draws imaginary lines.
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hmm.. good theory, so I wonder why GW attacked Iraq if he had intelligence and - proof they had nukes? NM
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I think Obama made a big mistake when he drew that first red line - Truthhurts
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It was almost like taunting Syria to push further against the citizens. Who knows? Now that Syria crossed the second red line, it just complicates matters even more.

There are just some things a President should keep quiet about until all facts are known. One of those is who the guilty party is in any situation before the truth is known.

This deal with letting Syria know where the U.S. may strike was also a "not-so-smart-in-fact-stoopid" move. In fact, it may have been the dumbest move of all times. I'm sure our enemies wouldn't tell us where they plan to attack...at least not until it's over and done with...so what was the sense of giving out this info?

The world must think we're dumber than rocks lately. It's embarrassing.
Do you believe if he attacks now it is just to save face? - I do. - LM
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Can you explain a little further? Save face? If? - what would make you happy?nm
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still seeking evidence that we let Syria know where the U.S. may strike - anyone?
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When will people understand in this country.... - just saying

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That it isn't OBAMA who decides on these things but the Pentagon. Does anyone really think it is an accident that both parties work together to lie us into war? One party may send the troops in BUT IF SO THE OTHER PARTY FUNDS IT.

Stop playing partisan politics and understand US Foreign Policy - you and your children are paying for it in more ways than one.

Agree this is OUR action. The Pentagon takes - its orders from POTUS, though. It

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offers military options at the Commander in Chief's instruction, and the Commander in Chief makes his decisions and issues his orders.

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