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Rand Paul wants a one day waiting period for bill passage

Posted: Aug 9, 2010

Who says the GOP is not dead serious about their stall tactics?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/rand-paul-at-fancy-farm-congress-needs-a-waiting-period-for-bills.php

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It's not stall tactics it's called taking time - TO READ THE BILL!!!

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What? You just want everything passed without anyone knowing what they are signing? Just close your eyes and hurry up and sign it cos it's what the democrats want. Geez people....even Obama himself (when campaigning) said there should be a waiting period to give people time to read the bills. Now you don't want that???

What hypocrisy!

Obamas waiting period was 5 days. That is reasonable. - No hypocrisy zone. sm

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One day for each 20 pages is a stalling tactic, pure and simple. Seriously. You think our representatives cant read more than 20 pages in 24 hours?

Please do not put words in my mouth, then draw bogus conclusions based on false premises of your own invention.

Whatever happened to the 5 day waiting period? - Backwards Typist

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I have never seen so many spending bills passed without Congress even knowing what's in them!

What are you talking about? - Bill are made available for review (sm)

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on the same day they are introduced and assigned a number. They are then referred to committee, public hearing and markup sessions are held, the committee votes to determine the appropriate action (to report it with or without amendment or table it), it goes to the House for consideration, debate, amendments, voted on, then to the Senate for the same proceedings, back to the house if any changes are made, then final voting.

No representative or senator can ever really know every single thing in every single bill, so they rely heavily on committee recommendations. That said, if a rep does not know what is in a bill, it is not because of lack of time between introduction and final passage. It is because he or she is not doing his or her job.

Then why the rush to sign this, and why upset - when republicans want time to read it

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Am I missing something here (and please nobody (not directing it at you, just anyone) go into a tirade of how those mean ol nasty republicans are trying to stall).

Since Obama has talked about a 5-day waiting time and all the republicans want is that... time to read the bill why is this bill being pushed so hard and so fast and why now don't they want a 5-day waiting period to read it.

This is just so frustrating to me. They say they want a time to read the bill, but when the republicans want time to read the bill, now they don't want to give time to read it and now calling it stall tactics.

I swear politics can be very frustrating.

Rush to sign what? The jobs and Medicaide package? - sm

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The Senate already passed the measure and laid it on the doorstep of the House on their way out of town for their August (and part of September) recess. School starts in a week or two. The education funding is aimed at preventing planned mid-semester lay-offs of 161,000 teachers and school staffers due to state budget deficits as well as IMMINENT lay-offs of police officers, firefighters and medical personnel. The bill is paid for by closing tax loopholes that facilitate jobs exports overseas (something we all should be able to support) as well as cuts in the food stamp stimulus program (which was allowed to expire) and advanced earned income credit refunds for the poor. So what is the problem?

How long does it take to read 20 pages? - Down with all the drama...

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The GOP staged this same sort of pretentious high school theatrics when they hauled a formal copy of the health care reform act into Senate chambers, acting as though lifting it would cause a hernia. Here is what they failed to mention when protesting the length of the bill.

Senate rules prescribe the following format for newly introduced bills:

1. Massive margins on top, bottom, left and right to accommodate the need to take notes.
2. Line numbering on every line, creating more dead space.
3. The use of large fonts.
4. Double-spacing between every line.

The AP found that the CRS version of the same bill printed in standard book format came to 209 pages.

To use the health care reform process as an example, the PPACA was introduced in the House on September 17, 2009 after nearly 7 solid months following the joint session with Congress of industry conferences, committee considerations, markup, House debate and excruciatingly detailed press coverage. It passed the first time in the House on November 7, 2009, passed in the Senate December 24, 2009 and the final amended version passed in the House on March 23, 2010.

This means that House members had 20 days to read 209 pages (roughly 10.5 pages per day) before first passage, the Senate had 98 days to read 209 pages (around 5 pages per day) before its passage, and the house had around 90 days to deal with the revised Senate version (4.5 pages per day) before the final vote, presumably a second read.

Seriously. What is so hasty about these numbers, especially considering how long the public debate process was between February 2009 and November 2009?

See...you did just what I asked not to - when republicans want time to read it

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I asked not to come back with statements about the mean ol nasty republicans and stall tactics, etc, but guess that was too hard to understand and had to get a jab in with "pretentious high school theatrics". Just some facts would be good, not a cut down for either side of the party.

Frankly I'm upset at all sides. One side wants something until the other side wants it, then they don't want it anymore unless of course their side suggests it (both sides).

I'm going back to read more about this because my understanding is that it was trying to be rushed through without giving anyone (and I mean both sides) time to read it. I could be wrong and if I am I'll admit it.

Just tired of the "blame the other party" for wrong doings that BOTH parties do.

You got facts, but notably did not respond to them or - even attempt to answer a simple question.

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How long does it take to read 20 pages with super wide margins, line numbering on each line, large fonts and double spacing?

Well since that's not the only thing they do - when republicans want time to read it

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I would imagine 5 days, 10 at the most would be sufficient. That's 2-4 pages per day. If they did 2 pages a day then they could have time to decipher all the garbage that dems try to stick in there.

Reading it is one thing. Understanding it is totally different. I think 5-10 days is more than enough time.

Still looking for information on when they got it and how long they have had it. It sounds like just a couple days, but I don't know and am looking for that.

So why did Pelosi state they have to pass the HC bill so - Backwards Typist

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they could see what's in it?

How many times did they push something through without debate this year? From what Ive seen on CSpan, the dems have blocked a lot of debate. A lot of pub amendments were tabled, made out of order, or thrown to a committee, never to be seen again. Others are in limbo even though the bill that the amendment was attached to is now law.

Both parties are going to be hurting in Nov. because of all the shenanigans and they only have themselves to blame.

Well, get this, speaking of HC.. I just got a letter today - stating my premiums are going up..and

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I dont even use my insurance... just have it for anything catastrophic. The letter stated that in preparation for upcoming changes in the "law", the company has no choice but to raise premiums on every client. This definitely must have something to do with Obamacare, because in the letter, it even mentions the deal about children being able to stay on parents insurance until 26 years old, which is another reason my rate is going up, I bet. This is just so unfair too. I already pay too much for insurance and hardly use it.

Did theletter say anything about giant health insurance companys executives - cashing in as firms plan hikes?

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Probably not.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-fi-insurance-salaries-20100811,0,7386070.story?track=rss

http://yubanet.com/usa/CEOs-From-10-Health-Insurers-Took-Nearly-1-Billion-in-Compensation-Stock-Options-in-Last-Decade.php

Oh come on! Face it. Those of us already paying - KT

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are going to pay more thanks to another failed Obama policy. This is reality, and you simply dont want to face it.

Why won't you accept the truth - anon

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When it's right there written by the insurance companies.

Your first link is to a liberal rag. Of course they are never going to tell the real reason.

Your second link even states that it was only a few insurance companies that took compensation. Not every insurance company in America.

I'm not the poster you replied to, but when my insurance company tells me my rates are going up because of the Obama crapcare plan and specifically states everything that Obama's crapcare plan involves um, yes I would believe them. Then when I hear other insurance companies are also raising their premiums and are also stating the same thing...then you bet that's the reason why.

If you want to defend him on other issues that's fine, but your not going to win on this one. The reason insurance companies are raising their rates is pretty basic and easy to understand. They have to to cover all the costs of Obama crapcare. Plain and simple.

Pardon me while I deal with - sm

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the facts of this issue while skipping over your potty mouth remarks, which only succeed in making you look more ignorant.

United Business Media conservative enough for ya?

Consumer Advocates Ask for White House/HHS Probe of Health Insurers' Reduced Medical Care Spending, Even As Premiums Spike
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/consumer-advocates-ask-for-white-househhs-probe-of-health-insurers-reduced-medical-care-spending-even-as-premiums-spike-100531634.html

Health Insurance Execs Cash In, Jack Premiums. Those heading 5 biggest companies took home $200M
http://www.newser.com/story/97834/health-insurance-execs-cash-in-as-firms-jack-premiums.html

India has a vested interest in American HCR without party bias.
Executives Make Merry While Citizens Struggle With Premiums
http://www.medindia.net/news/Executives-Make-Merry-While-Citizens-Struggle-With-Premiums-72562-1.htm

Health insurers dancing jig after reform
http://www.irontontribune.com/news/2010/aug/12/health-insurers-dancing-jig-after-reform/

THE FACT IS, WE are paying more, the "average" - American, right now, for Obamacare.

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If the man were so brilliant, he would have known this exact thing would happen and would not have wanted a bill that would only initally HURT those he says he is trying to help -the middle class. I dont think he knows how to think that in-depth into any decision he makes -scary.

Scarier still is the blind eye you turn toward record profits and - executive compensation packages of

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the top 5 health insurance giants and still keep a straight face.

There were no potty mouth remarks - Rawhide

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Just because someone doesn't agree with you you now say it's potty mouth???

Post all the liberal links you want. You'll never get the truth.

Not surprising you are not able to recognize potty mouth - when you encounter it.

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Hint: Crapcare x2. BTW, recognizing the truth is probably even more challenging to you than recognizing smutty speech. Posts like your and hers must make me feel like I have been slimed whenever finish reading them. It is time for my bath.

That is not potty mouth. That is what the system is called - Rawhide

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If you think that is potty mouth I'd get a thicker skin. It's no worse than calling people teabaggers. In fact it's much much lighter than calling someone that filthy word. Everyone knows about crapcare. That's what it's been called from the beginning because that is what it is.

Your statement of feeling slimed is too laughable.

Double standards by the liberals is what makes me feel like I have been slimed. Since your post is full of double standards and hypocritical statements I think its time for my bath.

This has nothing to do with thick skin. - sm

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There are only 2 things the toilet is designed to receive. One of them is the first four letters of the other poster\'s chosen form of expression. Therefore, potty mouth is a most appropriate metaphor.

If showing classless, juvenile, uneducated ignorance and appealing to the lowest common denominator in society is the goal, then you and she both have done a stellar job. Shockingly enough, there are other ways to have productive dialog on political issues. Get a clue. The first step toward that end would be to develop the ability to come up with an original idea and refain from cutting and pasting someone else\'s words. Clue number 2: (Yawn) It takes a WHOLE lot more than what you got to ruffle my feathers.

LOL - It has everything to do with thick skin - Rawhide

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When something is bad (i.e. not good) people refer to it is "crappy". As in...I had a crappy dictator, or I had crappy service at the restaurant. When people say that nobody looks at them and says "potty mouth".

The health care plan was being called "crapcare" a long long time ago. It's nothing new. The reason is because it is really not a good plan and the service (lack of) people will receive while paying outrageous premiums is plain and simple....crap.

If you can't deal with the simple truth then I would suggest getting a thicker skin and just ignore it.

The term is not going away anytime soon, just like the filthy word teabaggers when used to insult people.

So, once again I will repeat... not potty mouth, but instead appropriately named.

Thick skin is what people need.

That thick skin thingy you cons do is a petty little - sm

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bully tacic that will never succeed in trivializing, minimizing or dismissing viable issues you guys are simply too challenged to discuss, let alone solve. It's not clever. It is transparent and childish. Carry on. We have learned to expect this and little more out of you.

If you were not lifting that statement out of context - you would not have to ask that question.

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The they in that statement was not referring to the poor, beleagured, left-out-in-the-cold, whining pubs. She was speaking at a Conference for the National Association of Counties on March 9, 2010, 2 weeks before the finl bill was signed and a full year after the HCR process began, the timing of which has been described in detail in the down with the drama post.

The full sentence reads, "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." The entire body of her remarks can be found in the link below. when viewed in context, it stops that lame spin dead in its tracks.

http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576

Maybe he worshipped at the alter of the Aqua Buddha - just one too many times

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What a dork.

Aqua Buddha???? - please explain

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Your message does not make sense. Would you care to elaborate.

I understand now. I heard he is thinking of suing - sm

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Because it never happened and this is just another smear campaign.

I hope he eventually admits he did it. It makes him much more interesting. - nm

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nm

I doubt he will because why admit something - that's not true

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Uh - duh!

Could you please reply to the might want to ask yourself post? - Thanks.

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nm

No - that's not true

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I've read and heard enough. If I was accused of something I didn't do I'd be filing a lawsuit to.

Umm, yes it is and he has not file a suit. In fact, - sm

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all he has said other than his legal experts are looking into it, is his whining lament that the odds are stacked against politicians in court, a prelude to legal action that will never come to pass in his fervent hope that the story will just go away.

But hey, if you cannot come up with citations to facts disputing even the content of Randy's Fox News interview (where he never offered a concete denial), then I guess that will just have to speak for itself. No problem.

Ummm...here ya go - that's not true

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WASHINGTON â�� Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky on Tuesday denied suggestions he ever kidnapped anyone or forced them to use drugs, and said he hasn't ruled out a lawsuit against a magazine that ran an article describing events from his college days.

Full article below (take your pick):

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/08/09/rand-paul-considering-legal-options-over-gq-story.aspx

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100811/ap_on_el_se/us_paul_magazine

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/Rand-Paul-denies-kidnapping-student-forcing-her-to-use-drugs-while-at-Baylor.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rand-paul-denies-kidnapping/shenanigans

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/Rand_denies_Aqua_Buddha_stunt_.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2012587735_apuspaulmagazine.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/116/2010/august/10/paul-denies-suggestions-of-kidnapping.html

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/political/story/Paul-denies-suggestions-of-kidnapping/rGNm5va-fEGCWzYCTjXFSQ.cspx

Been there, done that in a previous post. - sm

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Denying kidnapping and forcing someone to do drugs: Technically, he can deny the forcing drugs on someone since she REFUSED to do what they were repeatedly asking her to do. Ergo, since no drugs were consumed, they could not have been forced on anyone. The accuser herself has dialed back the "kidnapping" word by describing what happened to her as follows:

What Randy would not specifically deny is blindfolding her, tying her up, taking her for a ride in a car headed toward an undisclosed location, asking her to get down on her hands and knees and telling her to worship the AquaBuddha, which she repeatedly claims he did. This would not be the first time a politician has played around with semantics.

You evidently missed the Fox interview (see link below) where he refused to deny these things and where he also said his legal experts were "looking into" legal remedies, while at the same time whining about how politicians cannot get a fair shake in the court system, indicating it was unlikely the actions would ever come to fruition. When pressed for a direct answer about the law suit, again, he could not deliver. Don't hold your breath. Threatening and pursuing a law suit are two entirely different things. The inteview does show him to be pretty darned good at squirming around in his seat, though. He seems to be taking the Sharron Angle running-from-reporters strategy to heart.

Video of interview:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08/rand_paul_still_having_trouble.html

Really? Might want to ask yourself - why

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he would not give a direct answer to the question posed in a Fox News interview regarding the creekside component of the story. Instead, he went off on a wistful diabtribe about the responsible and ethical news reporting of days gone by. He denies he ever kidnapped or forced anyone to take drugs. I suppose one could honestly believe that since the accuser herself actually REFUSED to partake, so technically she was not forced to take drugs since she did not actually do what they repeatedly asked her to do.

Also, I think kidnapping is in the eyes of the beholder. He never denied blindfolding her, escorting her to a car and whisking her off to an undisclosed location (the creekside baptismal site), or telling her to get down on her hands and knees and worship the Aqua Buddhaeither. Thinking about suing and actually doing it are also two entirely different things. The jury is still out on reality versus idle threats on that.

I agree with the other poster. He should admit exactly what happened (the same way Obama did). It would make him much more interesting than he is now and speak well of his in terms of his respect for and proclivity towared honesty. The smear campaign, its-none-of-their-business or boys-will-be-boys approach just doesn't cut it.

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