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REID proposes public option - various forms

Posted: Oct 26, 2009

This is a great way to see the various options - I prefer the trigger option myself. Give the industry some time to prove they can be competitive, but then trigger the safety net when/if they don't (provided for all).

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/26/health.care/index.html

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Getting closer finally! - NJ

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It feels good to be getting closer to the end of this debacle. There are so many other things going on that we need to pay attention to, and I'm going to be glad to get this one out of the way.

I still do not support the triggers, though. I think the trigger has been pulled and the chamber emptied. It's time for the public option.

NJ

Yes, but they don't have the votes without the trigger - me

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I mean the trigger will likely attract most democratic votes and possibly avoid a filibuster.

This is a rest test of the Democrats and Obama: If they can't fight this through though: MEANINGFUL healthcare reform then they are just as worthless as they were when they VOTED FOR Bush's sick policies, domestic and foreign.

Trigger is scarier than Halloween - NJ

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I sincerely hope it doesn't come down to that. It's watered down enough as it is. And that watering down is just what may make it fail.

In order for it to work, there has to be a large number of people using it. Making it only for the uninsured cuts that number way down. I'm not sure letting states opt in or opt out is going to make much difference because people will be up in arms if their elected officials turn away what other states have. I can't see anyone, blue-dog-Dem or say-no-Republican, having the cajones to not let their state in.

It's been an interesting process. I'm anxious to see how it turns out.

NJ

Finally! I've been away and was glad to hear this news. nm - oldtimer

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Anything Reid proposes is not good for America - anon

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Don't punish America over Reid and Pelosi's incompetency.

America needs good health care. Not what they are proposing.

Every should be able to afford health care - good health care. Not government run health care where people will not get the tests, medications, or procedures they need. Where the older you are the less health care coverage you will get. Where you will not have certain things covered because you are too old. I'm getting there myself and this is not what I want.

What Reid and Pelosi propose will put us in the dark ages of medicine.

On top of that there will still be a lot of people NOT covered.

Go back to the drawing table and work it out no matter how long it takes to get decent health coverage for all Americans.

Bravo! nm - nm

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Could you please substantiate your statements? - me

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Please substantiate: Not government run health care where people will not get the tests, medications, or procedures they need. Where the older you are the less health care coverage you will get. Where you will not have certain things covered because you are too old. I'm getting there myself and this is not what I want.

What Reid and Pelosi propose will put us in the dark ages of medicine.

On top of that there will still be a lot of people NOT covered.

Are these comments just your opinion, or can you substantiate them?

Specifically, what are reid and pelosi proposing that will "put us back in the dark ages of medicine" ?

When you say a LOT of people will still not be covered, (by Reid/pelosi's plan) how would the opposition's plan(s) remedy this?

Where in their plan, Reid/Pelosi, are they proposing 'government-run' healthcare. ?

Finally, are you opposed to Medicare?

Thanks in advance.

Substantiate my statements?????? - anon

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When you go outside and say its a beautiful day out, do you get asked to substantiate your statement? Facts are facts.

Item #1 - I've listened to doctors, nurses, health care workers, hospital administrators, economists, and people of England and Canada interviewed. All you have to do is look to England and Canada at their government run health care to know that is not what we want in America. Listen to them. It's a mess for them and they are trying to do away with their system because it doesn't work. Why on God's good earth would anyone willingly want to have that kind of care. It doesn't work and they want out of it. So you want to be under what they are trying to get out of???? Good luck.

We have spent decades improving our health care, why in the world would anyone want to go back in time to before it was the greatest health care system in the world - that is going back to the dark ages. Back to the days of back alley abortions, grandparents not getting the care they need, surgeries or medications they need because they are too old. My great grandmother fell and broke her hip when she was 87 years old. They wouldn't operate on her because they said she was "too old", so she laid in bed as a crippled until she died at 98 years old. She also developed cataracts in her late 80s. Again they would not do surgery because she was too old. You want that again? When you are coming up to this age this is something you need to think about.

Item #2 - Reid and Pelosi - have you been sleeping since they've been in office? They are not working for the people. They never have. They work for themselves and their friends. They could give a rats you know what about what kind of health care Americans get. All they are interested in passing something because it's the democrats plan. Not that its good or bad for the country. It's all politically based.

Item #3 - Not everyone will be covered. Haven't you been listening to the news or do you stick with just the liberals and believe everything they say without researching.

Item #4 - Medicare. Only first after the government fixes Medicare should they be allowed to touch other aspects of health care with their greasy little hands.

My suggestions/remedies:

Let everyone have the option to buy the same healthcare people in other states have. That is one of the things I've heard some republicans talk about. No state borders. The same health care plan that I pay over $500 for here would cost me around $200. Same plan, same benefits, different state. Make health care affordable for all. Right now if Pelosi/Reids plan gets passed I'm looking at an increase in health care costs. More doctors are going to quit (per their words). So tell me...what good is health care if there are no doctors available. What good is health care if you need a mammo because you have a lump in your breast but you have to weight 9-12 months to get one. What good are surgeries that you need if you are told you are past the age limit, therefore surgery is not an option for you, or they won't give me the meds I need because I'm past the age limit.

Pelosi/Reid's plan proposes government run health care - i.e., you and your doctor have to get permission from the government for procedures, medications, tests, etc. Unqualified in medicine, government officials will be deciding what you can and cannot have. That is called government-run health care and that is what Reid/Pelosi and other democrat politicians are trying to cram down our throats.

These are not my opinions, these are facts discussed by doctors, health care professionals, hospital administrations, and other countries politicians who tell us what it's really like in England and Canada.

Oh but of course Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Clinton and all the other politicians are exempt from this (gee wonder why).

Your welcome.

another case of damnant quod non intelligunt - nm

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Guess you don't like hearing the facts - anon

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You don't like hearing that our health care professionals - doctors, nurses, hospital administrators etc tell what a horror this would be.

Not only do you the quality of health care going down, it's going to bankrupt our country.

And all you do is write nonsensical words.....blah, blah, blah.

Selective hearing... there's a cure for that - me

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You've been listening to "health care professionals" who say what a "horror" 'this' would be...

and that its' going to 'bankrupt our country.'

Does it even occur to you there are voices from these same industries who say otherwise?

Or did you find the 'FACTS' you were looking for and just shut off any extraneous (watch out big word) noise?

the same could be said for you - dnh

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Does it occur to you that perhaps these health care professionals and the citizens of Canada and England know what they are talking about when they tell us "don't go there." Or did you find the "facts" you were looking for and also shut any any extraneous noise? Have you ever done a Medicare payment reconcilitation and seen what happens to physician reimbursement rates? If the government is allowed to meddle in reimbursement rates even further, they will drive providers out of practice. I know you hate the idea of anyone actually making money, but like it or not, physicians do have a right to show a profit as do hospitals and all other providers. Any government run health care is a bad idea. Bad idea.

You don't "know" anything about me really - me

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A forum gives readers a GLIMPSE of what a particular writer thinks about any given issue.

So don't presume to know what I 'hate' or what I believe.

And for the 1,000th time, there is NO government-run option on the table.

and you don't know anything about me (nm) - anon

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But I didn't presume to tell YOU what you hate. - me

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You conveniently missed that part.

But she was right - and it doesn't matter - anon

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What you are spewing is your opinion.

Sorry, I'll listen to the people who actually have the facts and know what's going on.

Not your opinion.

What facts? The word fact does not mean - nm

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just whatever you believe. And your comment about nonsensical words didn't do you any favors either.

damnant quod non intelligunt????? - sorry - thought this was America

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Didn't realize someone would be using Latin on this board here in America. It also probable took them hours to find that one.

By the way...its "intellegunt". If your going to try to be condescending you might want to at least get it right.

So I will say back to you - damnant quod non intellegunt - Fits you.

ROFL! Uh, no it isn't. And, funny you didn't know that folks here in America use Latin - nm

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is obviously limited not only evidenced by this post, but the others. At least now you've learned some Latin. Just make sure you spell it correctly.

ROFL - Uh here ya go - sorry - thought this was America

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Okay....so it is intelligunt. There are a lot of sites showing intellegunt.

Nevertheless - a lot of people in America do not speak Latin. Oh wait...I forgot...all my reports are usually spoken in Latin. When I go to the grocery store they speak Latin to me. Oh yeah, all through the malls I keep hearing Latin. Last time I went to Disneyland it was all in Latin - yeah, I forgot.

News Flash - people here in America speak American. NOT Latin. That's like saying "funny, you didn't know that folks here in America use Czechoslovakian".

At least you've just learned what language we speak in America. Just make sure if your going to be condescending you might get that fact straight.

ROFL!!! American? We speak American? - nm

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By the way, there are lots and lots of languages spoken in this country. Many of us can speak more than just English, or um "American" just so you understand. Thanks for the laugh.

The British would disagree. nm - oldtimer

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ROFL - NCmt

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Damnant quod non intellegunt is correct.

So, osculare pultem meam!

you are correct - anon

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Thanks for the confirmation. Nothing like being told you're wrong, when you are actually correct that gets one searching.

I found some sites that had an "i", but I found some Latin sites that had it as "e".

Also, can you tell me this...don't we speak English here in America? Last time I checked we did, but now according to a poster we speak Latin?
Latin is not a common language for the kids in America to learn in school. In fact I think Spanish is the second favored language in America. But then I could be wrong.

My mother always wanted me to undertake Latin in school. (sm) - Nikki

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She said it was a dead language and needed an undertaker.

There's a pattern here - nnm

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It's amazing how a post with a Latin phrase can get you and other conservative posters so riled up. It doesn't take much. It is good that you are trying to learn though. :) By the way, I've seen ad nauseam used on this board many many times. Did you ever look that up? Maybe you should. It's Latin ya know. I'm just amazed how you and the others have lived here and not been exposed to Latin or its use here in this country. How about our modern law system? Have you never done any research? You know nothing about the origin? I actually did think that people would at least look the phrase up if they didn't know what it meant before reply, but that did not happen. And, to top it off an argument over the spelling ensued. Unbelievable. I did spell it correctly by the way. This is just sad. Very very sad.

See Message - NCmt

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I don't know why the poster thinks we are wrong. You and "sorry, thought this was America" are correct on the spelling too. And, we have all seen posts with ad nauseum, ad hominem, et cetera used on this board frequently, and yes we do our homework. We also use Latin in our medical terminology and abbreviations quite frequently too, and I have also worked in a law office. As far as the language we come across every day here in America besides English that we speak, is a lot of Spanish, not any Latin. I hope that poster isn't sad anymore.

ROFLMAO - Uh yes it is. And funny.... - sorry - thought this was America

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It's takes someone like the poster below who does have the correct spelling to get me to research even more. I was correct earlier "intellegunt" with an "e". Found it on some Latin sites.

Also, here in America we speak English. We do not speak Latin. Funny you didn't know that.

"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" - Ben Franklin

This is sad - :(

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If nothing else, at least you were motivated to look something up no matter how skewed your research, at least you tried. Good thing you can speak American! :)

Don't expect them to understand your post - me

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You made a good point: they confuse opinion with fact and cannot or will not distinguish between the two.

Just another two posters to put on ignore (for me anyway).

Thank you Anon, that was a great post and totally agree with you. (nm) - NCmt

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Thanks - one thing I forgot to mention - anon

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Not only do we suffer in our health care but what they are proposing will totally bankrupt our country.

OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS, none of which were - me

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substantiated. Maybe you need to check the definition?

All I really needed to read was this intro: When you go outside and say its a beautiful day out, do you get asked to substantiate your statement? Facts are facts.

LOL, I did read the rest - and saw pretty quickly that all you did was re-state YOUR OPINION.

So just say "I can't substantiate the comments in the post you were referring to." No shame in that.

Well evidently you don't like - anon

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hearing what the medical professions in the United States are saying. Maybe you should tell them that is only their opinion. When they quit their profession because of all the bureaucracy you can say to them "that is only your opinion".

When you realize what it means for America, those are not opinions - they are facts. Maybe you should tell it to them.

Oi vey! - me

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and maybe YOU can only hear one side of the discussion... the side you WANT to hear.

EVIDENTLY, you still dont have a clue about the difference between 'opinion' and fact, but we'll have to agree to disagree here. No time to play teacher.

play teacher? hahahaha - sm

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No, it isn't the time that you lack. Tis the gray and white matter. U haven't yet figured it out for yourself. Your opinion is no more fact than anyone else's, but U continue to hold your opinions as the truth, the facts, while U criticize and challenge the opinions of anyone who doesn't agree with U.

OMG! The statement you just made could be said about - yourself.. every word.nm

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You don't seem to have been paying attention lately to...sm - oldtimer

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the right sources rather than the fear-mongering ones financed by the heathcare and pharmaceutical companies. Everyone WILL be covered. Furthermore, do you realize that the insurance company CEOs are the ones currently standing between you and your doctor?...for profit. They don't have medical degrees. I would think the government would hire qualified medical doctors at salaries, with no profit to be made. I would much rather have a doctor without a profit motive making decisions rather than an insurance company executive.

I have been away for three weeks traveling with a group of people from many counteries including England and Canada. To a person, they told me not to believe the horror stories that are being spread about their awful healthcare systems, they are just not true! They were quite adamant and said that they were horrified at some of the stories they've heard. It was the topic of discussion many nights at dinner and on my tours.

The AMA supports the public option and healthcare reform, and so do the doctors I have spoken to at my family practice.

Uh-oh an opposing point of view - too scary - me

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The fact of the matter is there are facts on both sides of the issue and they should ALL be listened to before anything is passed into law.

I don't have ANY problem hearing from the side that is opposed - but too often their positions are easily shown to be fear tactics to protect the people making the most MONEY from leaving things the way they are -OR just putting a tiny band-aid on the problem.

everyone will NOT be covered - what part of that dont you understand

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Your source for that adamant statement? - oldtimer

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The doctors you mentioned who are in favor of (sm) - Nikki

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healthcare reform -- I'm very fortunate to have one of those. He made a housecall to my apartment last Friday(yes, some dedicated ones who are in the profession for the right reasons still do that), and when he was leaving he said he hopes healthcare reform comes through soon, including the public option. I sarcastically called him a socialist and we both laughed. The housecall visit was his idea (not mine), and he said it was more of a social visit than anything because I moved to a new place and he wanted to see it (I guess to make sure my needs were being met and it was safe for me). He did bring his BP cuff, pulse oximeter and prescription pad.

This physician is associated with a family care medical group that takes care of anyone and everyone, regardless of their income. I happen to be of low income, disabled and uninsured, and he's the very best physician I've ever had. If I were rich and not disabled, I'd still want him to be my doctor because he CARES about his patients more than his wallet. He's very thorough, has a great sense of humor and jumps on the first thing he sees wrong to make sure I'm okay. We email back and forth when necessary, and it's much better than waiting for a doctor to return a call.

If a doctor wants to quit because of lifestyle reasons, then I say go ahead and quit. They'd be doing their patients a favor. I wish all doctors had the same motivation as mine.

Looks like the public option is dying..losing support - by the hour.nm

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So now they'll just call it something else - anon

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Pelosi thinks the American people are so stupid that if one name doesn't work she'll just call it something else, but it's still the same thing.

We are not stupid Ms. Pelosi. We know what bull crap you are trying to shove down our throats.

Unless you and other congress members are willing to join your govt run program stop trying to cram it down our throats.

If a cow learns to walk on two feet it is still called a cow.

Pelosi called it "consumer option" yesterday...like global warming is now climate change! - NOT buying it!...nm

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