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Pants On Fire, Birthers!

Posted: Apr 12, 2011

http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/

This is an informative site. I hadn't seen it until now.

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FactCheck is even better though - Proud American

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

It actually has pictures including the seal, signatures, and official sources, which have been requested in another thread here on this board.

What a crock. Who is the guy in the T-shirt - holding this one?

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What Annenberg DOESN'T say is this is not the same one originally released by the Obama campaign that did not have a seal and did not have the signature on the back. And they know that. Do a little research on who Annenberg is. They are certainly not unbiased.

And this from their site as well:
Fukino said she has â��personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaâ��s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Again, if you believe that woman, she has seen the original (long form) birth certificate. And if that is the case, he still refuses to make that one public, and there has to be a reason for that.

Love how you embrace the facts that shore up your lockstep view of this, and totally and completely ignore the elephant in the room.

If McCain had won and we were discussing his birth certificate, you would be a "birther" because you would be screaming at the top of your Proud American lungs that he was hiding something because he would not produce the long form.

You folks are amazing...just amazing.

No, I remember the McCain situation and I did not become a birther over it - LOL

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This site is more credible than the ones that keep coming up with this and that, but no credible resources. I've frankly had enough of the Birthers and would be happy to pay to have them move their convention to some wonderful island someplace where they can have their hysterics without making the rest of us have to listen to it. It's garbage!

McCain did provide his birth certificate. He - was born on a military

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base in Panama...military base is considered US soil. But I know you know that...and you are right, it IS garbage when a US President stonewalls when a good part of his constituents want to see the long form birth certificate.

And...if you are willing to accept "garbage" which you obviously are....more power to ya. However, does not change the fact that he either does not have the long form or has it and refuses to produce it. PERIOD.

If we were together face to face right now, I would politely smile - and then get away from you 1st chance I got

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You have a right to your opinion. I just don't want to be around Birthers. I wouldn't be rude to you. I would just leave as soon as I could, and you would never know why, because I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings or make a scene. I would just want OUT OF THERE!

What a ridiculous drive-by no content - post. It is things like

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this that drive me, an Independent, further and further from the left. Junior high name calling helps nothing.

Did Obama or did he not promise transparency in his administration? Yes he did. Has he done that? No he hasn't, and the long form birth certificate is just ONE of the issues I have with him.

And based on this post, thank you in advance for walking away...I would prefer you OUT OF THERE as well. Anyone who walks in a rote step dogmatic one party view...thanks, but NO THANKS.

Aren't you the one who can't prove anything - because your proof doesn't exist?

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Proof that doesn't exist isn't worth much. You cannot say what was or was not released by the Obama administration because...it doesn't exist. That gives you nothing. No credibility. But yet you're still carrying on as if you had a credible message, that you know something that the rest of us don't know. I honestly wish you peace. I don't mean to be harsh, but you must just be miserable being worked up about this constantly. That can't be good for you. Again, I wish you the best.

Didn't you look at the "proof" posted - on Anneberg by your side?

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THEY claim it was released to them by the Obama administration. READ IT before you start off on a rant.

They also quoted the lady from the Health Dept in Hawaii stating she had seen the documentation on file that Obama was born in Hawaii...that documentation would be the long form birth certificate. So either she is lying and did not see it, or she is telling the truth and DID see it and he refuses to produce it.

You would not know credibility if it bit you. No offense intended, but before you start on a credibility rant you should read the entire thread.

I wish you the best in your rote lockstep as well.

Yes, yes, they're all lying. It's a GIANT conspiracy that began the day - the president was born

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Yes, I know. That conspiracy probably started even before he was born. It was a plan created by his parents, grandparents, step-grandparents, hospital officials, the Department of Health, the state of Hawaii, and I'm sure there are others that I forgot. This is a GIANT conspiracy that could change the world as we know it!

Another drive-by no content silly post...if - you had read the entire

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thread you will realize how really silly this post is. You just couldn't wait to jump on the bash train.

And then you wonder why the country is in the shape it's in. lol.

McCain - mbmt

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I did not vote for John McCain, but personally I would not be obsessed with having to see the long form of his birth certificate because I believe he is an American citizen. I also believe President Obama was born in Hawaii and is an American citizen The birther thing is a big waste of time.

Amen! - nm

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nm

It is a big waste of time for those who - follow blindly....

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but to those of us who would like to see accountability return to government, especially from the guy who said his administration would be completely transparent...it is NOT a waste of time.

Nice try at deflection, but fact remains he either has the long form or he doesn't, and he refuses to say he doesn't or produce it if he has it.

So much for transparency.

Absolutely! That conspiracy, planned before the president was born was meant for this very thing - These conspirators are scary!

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Especially the grandmother. Scary! I'll bet she whispered her conspiratorial instructions to him while she rocked him to sleep at night! These are ***scary*** people! Be afraid. Be very afraid.

If you had a thought of your own not given to - you by the DNC or huffpost

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it would die a lonely death.

Bless your heart.

Wow! You're good. You can read minds. - Rigghhhhtttt. nm

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nm

2 words - sm

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Annenberg Foundation

He still refuses to produce the original - hospital birth certificate.

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and your junior high name calling does not change that fact.

Politifact knows that as well. That is why they don't address the issue other than to quote what the bureau of vital statistics lady saying she had personally witnessed the original documents yada yada...which DOES prove that he has it and won't release it, or she is lying through her teeth about having seen it.

Obama's pants have been on fire since he refused to produce it. Politifact's pants are on fire because they carefully pick and choose what to address....jury is out on the Hawaiian lady's pants because only SHE knows for sure whether she is lying through her teeth about having seen the document or she is telling the truth about seeing the document...which brings us back to hot pants Obama who won't release it.

You do know politifact is a bunch of newspaper reporters, right?

I dont get it either. Why not just show the darn BC and - get it over with? Why hide? nm

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nm

politifact - sm

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The fact to keep in mind about politifact is that it is owned by the liberal-leaning St. Petersburg Times. Fact check the fact checkers and do your own research.

They are a little more factual than some other sites - Backwards Typist

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I've seen. They really don't seem to have much bias against one party or the other. I have disagreed with some of their fact finding and have questioned it, but all in all, if I had my druthers, I'd go with Politifact more than the others.

Politifact - mbmt

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I agree with you that from what I have read, they do not appear to have much bias, sort of call it like it is.

What about FactCheck or whatever they call it? - Is it credible?

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I've heard about FactCheck, but I'm not sure who they are. Does anyone know?

Fact check is run by the Annenberg Foundation. - Google them. nm

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nm

On THIS site, you have to EXPLAIN.... - PoliticallySavvy

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Good point, but on here it's not enough to say "Google them." You have to EXPLAIN who the Annenberg Foundation is and who the Annenbergs are so they can understand the significance. EVERYTHING has to be spelled out on here for them.

The biggest issue on this board (and not just - this board) is the

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seeming inability to think for one's self and to just knee jerk party line drive-by posts to anything they don't agree with, and about half of them don't even know what it is they don't agree with. lol. SIGH.

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