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We need Universal Healthcare


Posted: Jun 11, 2017

Quoting Ellis Winningham, economist.
"...the fact is, the issue of universal healthcare doesn’t come down to compassion; it comes down to macroeconomic necessity (see fourth paragraph for an explanation). Canada is the same as the US with regard to how Canadian dollars work – ...tax dollars do not fund Canadian healthcare.  The US would be the same. 
Then secondly, what the federal tax is itself. The Obamacare tax (fine) highlights one of the main purposes of federal taxation: To modify behavior. In this case, government demands that you get insurance, and if you do not comply, it will tax (fine) you. So, everyone, including you, went out and obtained bullshit insurance that you couldn’t afford and mostly didn’t use to avoid being fined. This is precisely why we use the US dollar. Government taxes, then threatens us with punishment for not paying the tax, and we demand dollars to pay it. Tax (fines) is/are the means that governments use to force compliance in a civilized manner, rather than bopping people with clubs or other forms of impressment. There are proper, necessary and decent uses for federal tax, such as getting a nation’s currency accepted, curbing behavior which burdens the healthcare system needlessly (cigarette tax), suspending a tax to lift the burden on people’s savings so they can afford to spend for things that they need, etc. Then there are bullshit uses for federal tax, such as the Obamacare fine, which is nothing more than forcing people to accept free market solutions and buy something that has been proven time and again to be ineffective – health insurance. 
The result? High premiums, unused insurance, and profit, profit, profit for the insurance companies. In other words, government forced you to help insurance companies profit. Many people discovered that what little money they had before to buy things and save a little was eaten up in premiums and deductibles, and in the end, healthcare became even more expensive. So, here is an example of a bad use of federal tax (fines).
As to leaving the rest alone, we simply can’t because the economy itself cannot handle private healthcare. The costs are far too high, from overburdening the healthcare system with advanced illnesses and emergencies because people refuse doctor visits and checkups due to high prices which would have prevented these major issues to begin with, to lost output and productivity from injury and illness. “Medicare USA” wouldn’t be socialism (as people in Canada, the UK and Australia can attest) nor would it be the government “meddling” in healthcare; it’s government doing its job as a currency-issuer, taking the affordability question off of the table for both people and businesses alike. Neither citizens or business will have to pay for it. And, yes, universal healthcare is quite efficient. When you see people like Ted Cruz pointing to the UK and the NHS saying, “See? Long waiting lists for treatment. People being left to die on gurneys. That’s what happens when government runs healthcare. Government is inefficient and can’t do anything right.”, is extremely disingenuous. The reason why this is happening in the UK is precisely because the government is defunding and privatizing it. It is literally tearing it down, so yeah, there’s going to be major problems. 
This is no different than when a business is going under because its running out of money. Consider Walmart. Let customers stop shopping there and effectively begin defunding Walmart. Soon, it will start to run low on money resulting in empty shelves, there will be poor customer service, and each store will be horribly inefficient. Shall we claim then that the private sector is inefficient and can’t do anything right? Of course not. Yet, these politicians do just that when it comes to things which benefit you and I, but not their insurance company donors. They want to look for ways to scare everyone away from things which both citizens and the economy desperately need."
Quoting Ellis Winningham, economist.
"...the fact is, the issue of universal healthcare doesn’t come down to compassion; it comes down to macroeconomic necessity (see fourth paragraph for an explanation). Canada is the same as the US with regard to how Canadian dollars work – ...tax dollars do not fund Canadian healthcare.  The US would be the same. 
Then secondly, what the federal tax is itself. The Obamacare tax (fine) highlights one of the main purposes of federal taxation: To modify behavior. In this case, government demands that you get insurance, and if you do not comply, it will tax (fine) you. So, everyone, including you, went out and obtained bullshit insurance that you couldn’t afford and mostly didn’t use to avoid being fined. This is precisely why we use the US dollar. Government taxes, then threatens us with punishment for not paying the tax, and we demand dollars to pay it. Tax (fines) is/are the means that governments use to force compliance in a civilized manner, rather than bopping people with clubs or other forms of impressment. There are proper, necessary and decent uses for federal tax, such as getting a nation’s currency accepted, curbing behavior which burdens the healthcare system needlessly (cigarette tax), suspending a tax to lift the burden on people’s savings so they can afford to spend for things that they need, etc. Then there are bullshit uses for federal tax, such as the Obamacare fine, which is nothing more than forcing people to accept free market solutions and buy something that has been proven time and again to be ineffective – health insurance. 
The result? High premiums, unused insurance, and profit, profit, profit for the insurance companies. In other words, government forced you to help insurance companies profit. Many people discovered that what little money they had before to buy things and save a little was eaten up in premiums and deductibles, and in the end, healthcare became even more expensive. So, here is an example of a bad use of federal tax (fines).
As to leaving the rest alone, we simply can’t because the economy itself cannot handle private healthcare. The costs are far too high, from overburdening the healthcare system with advanced illnesses and emergencies because people refuse doctor visits and checkups due to high prices which would have prevented these major issues to begin with, to lost output and productivity from injury and illness. “Medicare USA” wouldn’t be socialism (as people in Canada, the UK and Australia can attest) nor would it be the government “meddling” in healthcare; it’s government doing its job as a currency-issuer, taking the affordability question off of the table for both people and businesses alike. Neither citizens or business will have to pay for it. And, yes, universal healthcare is quite efficient. When you see people like Ted Cruz pointing to the UK and the NHS saying, “See? Long waiting lists for treatment. People being left to die on gurneys. That’s what happens when government runs healthcare. Government is inefficient and can’t do anything right.”, is extremely disingenuous. The reason why this is happening in the UK is precisely because the government is defunding and privatizing it. It is literally tearing it down, so yeah, there’s going to be major problems. 
This is no different than when a business is going under because its running out of money. Consider Walmart. Let customers stop shopping there and effectively begin defunding Walmart. Soon, it will start to run low on money resulting in empty shelves, there will be poor customer service, and each store will be horribly inefficient. Shall we claim then that the private sector is inefficient and can’t do anything right? Of course not. Yet, these politicians do just that when it comes to things which benefit you and I, but not their insurance company donors. They want to look for ways to scare everyone away from things which both citizens and the economy desperately need."

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Over ytour dead body, but not mine or my - family's..not interested

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in Liberal fascist control, especially over my health. Liberals cannot reason through a menu selection.

Now they want universal paycheck. I'm not joking. - nm

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Then you wouldn't have to go to a doctor - if you don't want to

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We can only hope this country will wise up and have national healthcare. Unfortunately, the only thing that is stopping us now is the republican lies that they are filling people's heads with.

I have found that people who like to insult other's all the time really don't know what they are talking about.

I'll bet - old and burned out

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that if anyone in your family got really sick and you were not covered under the Republican plan you would be looking for help just like everyone else.

On the other hand, many of us HAD great coverage until - Obamacare mandated that all insurance

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companies cover everything from the kitchen sick (which is not insurance) driving our premiums so high we couldn't afford it (part of the plan).

The problem is the lies being spewed by the - republicans are believed.

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People have been conned into believing national healthcare would be bad for us. The fact is we rank low on the list for healthcare compared to those other countries that have national healthcare. There are several ways to do it and we should be looking into these ways and adopt one of them.

The problem is Liberals lies and cluelessness - especially with Obamacare

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woke a lot of people up about the absolute stupidity of having the gov'ment control your health care or anything else for that matter.

But the Libbies keep circling that sewer trying o pull everyone else in with them. Only wild, rabid rats/raccoons/snakes live in sewers - No thanks...the Libbies can have it!

The ACA is not national healthcare. Instead - of name-calling

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why don't you do some research on countries that have national healthcare.
We already do have socialist healthcare. It's called Medicaid, - Medicare, etc. How about this story.
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A Swedish multiple sclerosis sufferer was prescribed a new drug that held the promise of mitigating his symptoms. Well, you guessed it, the government refused to pay for it because it was too expensive, 33% more than the old medication.

It's not all good news. There are more stories like this, including...
It's not all great news. I know a lady who was forced on Obamacare - and her oncologist docs were not covered
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and she could not get the treatments she needed. She is now dead. This is not the exception either. I can read the good news but there's also bad too.
No one seems to care about before Obamacare - myoffering
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I want to know how many people who had insurance before Obamacare died or didn't get treatment because of it.

No one seems to care about the millions who had good insurance before Obamacare. See what happens when government takes over.

Medicare is something we older folk have earned and were ordered to mandatorily participate in. So you see, that is all I have besides my supplement.
Why don't you. BTW keep your snarky - condescending insults to yourself
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Clearly, you've done no research at all, hence, this ridiculous post.

Any time statistics concerning the population of the US are - compared to that of other countries, the

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numbers must be adjusted for demographics.

For example, the violent crime rate among Norwegian-Americans is similar to those in Norway. I suspect health and life expectancy rates deserve similar scrutiny.

The more "universal" something is, the more it costs - somebody. Single payer equal

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government health care.

How about government owned and operated hotels, resorts, and especially commercial and residential real estate.

I am all for a free market, but that suggests freedom. Our healthcare system is currently among the most unfree systems anywhere.

Okay, but they should add a provision that we can opt - out of it if we want, no taxes withheld

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for it either. Like the Social Security experiment in Texas back in the 80s. People got to keep their SS and invest it as they wished.

Sounds good but they'll need your money for "free" - health care to work. Not enough

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people working and paying into the system now to meet all the demands.

Universal healthcare is NOT needed because it the same as - Truthhurts

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Single Payer. Single Payer is the same as everyone going on Medicare, which has been touted over and over by a lot of Dems....who pays for Medicare? Everyone, but Medicare doesn't pay 100% and you STILL need supplements and prescription coverage. Plus the fact that Medicare isn't in the best health because of the money taken by Obamacare to bolster Medicaid for the first couple years.

We need a free market. We need to be able to buy insurance across state lines and we need competition. That's the ONLY way costs stay down. When there's a monopoly, prices rise because that monopoly can charge whatever they want and you either pay for it or lose it.

Obamacare is/was a monopoly. You only have certain health insurance companies to choose and now that they're pulling out because they can't afford to cover people, so a lot of people are left with NOTHING.



Are you financially dependent on someone who - Works in insurance industry?

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I see no reason anyone would want to continue to support thr insurance industry unless they were recieving kickbacks, i.e. jobs in the industry.

I see no reason why anyone would want to be dependent - on the nanny state, other than having

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someone else's taxes pay for your health care. At least with insurance companies you have a choice and can drop them.

Governments have to redistribute money from one person to another, and they do so for votes.

Look at what has happened with the VA. - sm

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With no competition, VA health care has gone downhill and our precious veterans have suffered.

No to universal health care. Case closed.

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