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Muslims and Gays in the Military


Posted: Feb 3, 2010

OK, somebody has to say it. It’s uncomfortable and it makes whoever says it open to being called a “Pharisee,” a “homophobe,” a “bigot,” a sanctimonious hater, a benighted troglodyte, or worse. Somebody has to endure that, though. We need to act like grown up, secure people who can talk about difficult things and resolve them.

So, to quote one of my favorites, Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band, “Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I’m old-fashioned, say I’m over the hill,” but here it goes.

First, for the President to use the State of the Union to call on Congress to repeal the current policy on gays serving in the military was wrong. It is incendiary, provocative, distressing and contrary to the most deeply held religious and moral convictions of millions of Americans. Second, if he really believes passionately in this, he has other means to accomplish it. He can use the budget process, or, even quicker and cleaner, he can simply issue an executive order.  He used such an order last night for something far less consequential. The President obviously thought the deficit so important he by-passed the Congress and created a Deficit Commission by fiat.

If, in fact, allowing gays to serve openly in the military is, as the President said, “The right thing to do,” then why not simply do it? What the President actually did was lob an explosively contentious grenade into the public square. Gay activists were instantly in knots about it—disgusted the President didn’t do what they really wanted, but only renewed a campaign promise by punting to the Legislative Branch. And a whole lot of ethnic and cultural groups, moral conservatives, religious people, and, yes, military men and women, are now left to painfully wrestle with what is surely another divisive, corrosive and likely dead-end issue.

Why is this? Because no matter how you cut it, gays-in-the-military does not present the same set of questions as blacks-in-the-military, or latinos-in-the-military. There is near universal belief that it is always wrong to use race, color or ethnicity to judge a person’s character, ability or willingness to serve. (For that matter, there’s no debate the data eliminate whether a gay person can serve admirably or is willing to serve admirably. In fact, not only have gay persons done so, they have given the ultimate sacrifice in doing so.)

The question really is whether it is appropriate for the military to be used to validate a dubious sexual practice. Lets face it, that’s what this is really all about. To the gay rights activists, please be at least that transparent. Tell us what you’re really thinking so we can have an honest conversation. This is about validation of a lifestyle that has as its defining feature a sexual attraction and even a set of sexual acts. After all, isn’t that what on the opposite side makes a heterosexual?

The fact is, well-considered, well-informed, carefully researched and fully contemplated moral and religious philosophies hold that sexual acts between persons of the same sex are injurious to the individuals involved and the society around them. These convictions cannot be dismissed as veneers for irrational hatred or the base animus of the uneducated and ignorant masses. There are plenty of Ivy League PhDs in this camp, along with caring, compassionate, even loving pastors of souls; there are also the vast majority of those who embrace one of the earth’s three great monotheistic faiths. Which brings me to the next point.

A former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told me chaplains are “critical to good order and morale, and therefore to the success of our military.” As a board member of an organization that fields a large number of chaplains to the military, I interact with them regularly and I routinely hear about the things that concern them, and this is definitely one. And this doesn’t only affect Evangelical or Catholic clergy. I’m also talking about Jewish, Muslim and Mormon chaplains. In each case, their religious systems teach homosexual behavior violates God’s intended purpose for human sexuality and is therefore not allowed. You don’t have to have a Harvard degree (though many of these chaplains do) to know there will be conflict between what these chaplains are charged to teach and preach, and the President’s proposed policy change. It’s a huge—read that HUGE—problem for morale and good order.

And there’s another thing. Come ‘on, let’s be grown ups. There’s a reason the military doesn’t have men and women showering together. Please don’t dismiss this one as a childish vestige of a now distant Victorian past. The fact is you don’t generally want people around you in a shower that are erotically stimulated by your naked body. Now, I may be betraying my naïve ignorance here about how gay people get excited, but none of my gay acquaintances have ever said it works terribly different for them then it does for straights. The site of an attractive nude body probably does for gays what it does for straights. (Unless, of course, you are gifted with a disinterest in sex, period. That’s another matter.) For most of us, testosterone, estrogen and libido are forward moving forces that need at least a modicum of external controls, including segregated showering and dressing spaces.

I’ve purposely left until last the most incendiary element of this State of the Union attack on personal, moral, social and religious sensibilities—its affect on our relations with the Muslim world. When I participated in my first face-to-face formal dialogue between Christian and Muslim leaders in an Islamic country, I was asked at the start, “Do you accept homosexuality?” Homosexuality is a deal-breaker for the vast majority of Muslims. I know, we don’t want to kowtow to oppressive religions, no matter how many adherents they have, but, again, if we’re looking to solve problems, this is not the way to do it.

Surely the President knows these things. He told us during his campaign he’s a man of deep and considered Christian faith; he had a Muslim father and a partial Muslim upbringing; he has a Harvard law degree and an IQ off the charts. Surely he’s not ignorant of the considerable and principled convictions held by so many on this subject; and of the dangerous pitfalls it presents given the already tense environment military women and men sacrificially occupy.

Let’s grow up and have the big conversation before President Obama’s proposal brings about unintended, irreversible and even terrible consequences for our valiant American heroes.

I’d really like to hear from you on this.

Rob +

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who is it REALLY protecting? - luvzminis

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I agree with much of what you say, Rob. It boils down to special treatment for gays, once again, above any other class of citizens. It really does. If it were fairness for all beliefs and classes, that would be one thing, but this is all about trying to shove beliefs down reluctant throats. I respect all people, but I do not agree with active homosexuality, nor do millions of others. Somehow that's supposed to mean we're "intolerant" and "bad" people, but I don't see the radical activists who were harassing those in CA after the vote called anything negative. And how about shoving the gay lifestyle upon impressionable kids in public schools? Funny how that subject never comes up. Go figure, huh??

BTW, point of interest: Obama had an ornament on one of the Whitehouse Christmas trees of Mao Zedong, the genocidal maniac. The Obamas say they don't buy their kids Christmas presents, and didn't bother with any type of creche, etc. Really do not believe that guy is a Christian, but it looks good on his resume.

Since when is equality under the law special treatment? - nm

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Whenever it applies to minorities - NJ

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Listen to bigots (painful, I know) and you'll hear it said about most legislation passed to stop institutionalized unequality.

NJ
Of course, NJ. I forgot. My bad. Getting close to bedtime here. - Thanks. nm
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nm

LUVZMINIS: Please post a viable source for your reference to . . . . - Really?

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the Obama's Mao ornament on their tree. Or is this just one more piece of madeup garbage being perpetuated by the wingnuts?

Here is one - sm

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http://yankeephil.blogspot.com/2009/12/obamas-christmas-tree-has-mao-ornament.html
Sorry, not very convincing . . . . . - Really?
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And I asked for a viable new source -- not a right-wing blog with questionable fact-checking abilities. I am ashamed to say that this blog orginates from my beloved home state. Anyone can post a blurry picture of an ornament on a Christmas tree and proclaim it to be the Obama White House tree. Figures that Fixed News was the one to jump all over that BS -- sure "most trusted"? What a crock!!
Too bad, Really, it was on the Christmas Tree - at the White House
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Take the blinders off.
And I will ask once again -- where is your . . . . - Really?
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irrefutable proof -- did you personally see it? It's so distasteful to continue perpetuating ugly myths.

And you tell me to take the blinders off? Maybe you need to put down the hate juice and walk away . . . .

Hoax. Myth. Debunked. Duped. Lied to. What part of this - are you not getting? nm
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nm
The part where you say - LOL
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its a hoax, myth, debunked, duped, and lied to.
It's your job to do your own research, especially when - stalwart denial makes you look foolish.
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I am more than happy to provide sources on matters of consequence (absurd hoaxes and their duped believers do not qualify) or when reqeusted to do so, but I value my time and will not spend it taking someone with heels dug in, playing dumb and trying to be cute, distracting and deflecting, kicking and screaming, slamming, slurring and smearing every inch of their way down the path toward fact.
It seems from your post you do - have the time
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So please do provide some sources debunking the post about Chairman Mao on the "Holiday Tree" in the White House. And try to chill out, you seem to have a lot of anger and hate in your posts. No need to spin, insinuate and twist words around.

If you cannot be reasonable, then maybe you should just stay away.
No, I do not have time to post them. There are WAY too many. - Google....sm
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fact check Mao Christmas ornament hoax, sift through the 362,000 hits and read to your heart's content. Don't waste time if you are not willing to search outside fringe media sources. They, too, are allergic to truth and feast on hoax as SOP.

I will write my posts anyway I see fit. I'm not into driveby pot shots, take time to do my own homework and enjoy multiparty conversations that are informed and intelligent. I extend exactly the same amount of respect I am shown and will continue exercising political points, debating issues and enjoying freedom of speech with or without your approval.

My choice of words and what I do with them is my business. You can always stay away from my posts if you find them so unpleasant. It's a free country, remember?
Seems as though you hit a nerve - LOL
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If they don't want to provide sources to disprove it, don't sweat it. From what I can see, the truth really hurts, therefore their only recourse is to fling snarky comments and the usual left-wing venom-spewing denials.

Have a good evening.
You miss the point. Read the posts. The info is there - Trannie
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for the asking an the search words have been provided.
This is just typical wingnut hit-and-run mentality . . . - Really?
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quick on the draw to spread hateful lies, then when asked to prove relevancy, crawl back under the rock.

Speak of crawling under a rock, wonder where Darth Cheney has been?

I digress -- Please people, quit posting bogus garbage on here unless you can back it up with a respectable and proven source.

Christmas ornament hooey can be dismissed in one word. - HOAX....sm

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Thank you for providing your source. I do not have time to post all the fact check sources and legitimate news outlets that exposed the MAO and transvestite Christmas tree ornament HOAX, but will take the time to say that this is a predictable conclusion when dealing with Fox news and fringe Christian chain e-mails.

Absurd. Ridiculous. Not founded in a shred of truth. The image of Obama superimposed on Mount Rushmore (that appears to be floating in midair over the background) is so poorly done, it should have been anybody's first clue.

Fox invents and spins and receptive viewers get duped once again.

NOT a HOAX...do your fact checking - anon

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The poster did not provide any sources to back up that it was a HOAX. However, you can check many sources that have pictures and say there was the Xmas ornament. There were so many ornaments and my understanding is a group helped decorate and they (the Obama's) did not know it was there. I feel the Obama's are innocent in this ornament scheme, but facts are facts...there was a Xmas ornament on the White House xms tree of Mao. It doesn't surprise me and I don't really care. Obama's are innocent of any wrong doing, but please get your facts straight. There was an ornament and there are many sites that show it. And you didn't even provide a link to show it was a hoax. Neither did the person you replied to.

Why no executive order - NJ

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Obama's style is to let the legislature make laws. While I was disappointed that it took him so long to address this issue, I always believed he would move through the congress. It is the correct way to deal with this law.

The radical right doesn't approve of this tactic because it doesn't leave Obama standing out there alone for bigots to take pot shots at.

You are welcome to your religious views, even if they are contrary to the majority. Whether you are Muslim or a socially conservative Christian or any other person who condemns homosexuality, removing the bias of DADT still leaves you the option of choosing not to serve with them. If you don't want to serve, don't sign up. Our military, gay and straight alike, will still fight for your freedoms.

I feel sorry for those who think their religion condones bigotry. Such holier-than-thou attitudes has been a major cause of world unrest. It is a great example of why the separation of church and state is so important.

NJ

Yep. Short, sweet and right on target. - nm

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nm

So, we need to act like grown ups who can - talk about difficult things, do we? sm

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So when the public engages this difficult dialog, itâs about being grown up. When Obama addresses the issue in the SOTU speech, not only is it wrong, but itâs incendiary, provocative, distressing and contrary to religious and moral convictions of millions of Americans? Why the double standard, Rob?

Executive orders do no carry the full force of the law. If he did that, certain political factions would be all over him like a cheap suit on a used car salesman protesting his overstepping his executive authority. In the week leading up to the SOTU speech, we had all witnessed the Supreme Court providing a breath-taking example of overreaching authority which serves as a perfect example of why this is not a good idea. His request indicates he is placing it back where it belongs, in the hands of Congress, so that it will result in some law with teeth, having been subjected to legislative process.

Double standard alert. You can direct us toward grown-up dialog but when the President does it, he is lobbing an explosive hand grenade? Huh? Seems to me that public debate would be in order before, during and after Congressional action. Your dead-end issue comment is obviously wishful thinking on your part but you have no way of knowing where the process would lead if it is never allowed to take place. The division among partisan groups is not his making either. It is what it is.

The issues surrounding gays-in-the-military are precisely the same as blacks, Latinos and women. Read the EEOC guidelines. Job discrimination based on sexual orientation. Itâs in there. Why should the military not be held to these same standards? The military is not being asked to validate anything anymore than employers are serving that purpose under EEOC regulations. They are asked not to discriminate. They are being asked to handle the truth.

Gays arenât looking for validation from you, the military, employers or the public. They are seeking equal rights under the law. You are very presumptuous to portray gays and homosexuality in simplistic terms centered solely around sexual attraction and acts. Is that really the only kind of love you have for your wife, girlfriend or significant other?

All of those high-brow justifications invoking moral and religious philosophies, academics and religious clergy you use to back up your premise can be countered by equal numbers in kind to support the opposite premise. These are belief systems which enjoy equal tolerance under the law, but we are a country of laws based on prescribed principles that we are charged to uphold as set forth in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

BTW, while you are at it, you may want to research how many other countries with similar patchwork of belief systems and ideals allow gays to serve openly in the military. I posted this information earlier, but here it is again for your convenience. Based on a cursory survey, I found that 31 countries allow gays to serve in the military and 17 do not. Among those who do not are 8 Moslem countries (including Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Syria, Turkey and Yemen), and other countries not exactly famous for stellar human rights records, including Cuba, China, North Korea and Russia, to name a few. So this reads like a Who's-Who of US adversaries, yet these are the folks we align with relative to our sexual orientation phobias. What's up with that?

Adm. Mike Mullen, current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, does not agree with your former chairman and colleague. Neither does Defense Secretary Robert Gates. As for the Jewish, Muslim and Mormon chaplains, what their religious systems teach is not a legitimate basis for law, since our founding fathers expressed their desire for the separation of church and state. You might want to re-read that document while conducting all your research, assuming that you are not simply trying to support a foregone conclusion while engaging in all this grown-up dialog. Trying reading up on how gays in the military have worked out just fine in the 31 countries that do allow open service. Israel would make a fine case study.

Now there you go again, Rob, getting all graphic with the nude bodies and sexual excitation of shower scenes. They built separate showers for women. Separate bathing facilities for gays is a no-brainer if we want to be juvenile about it, but then again, that take the grown-up pill prescription you handed out seems pretty reasonable too. Sharing the john, shower and dressing facilities with gays in public restrooms, gyms, at the YMCA, etc. has not proven fatal to you thus far, has it?

This may come as a shock to you, but the LGBT community is making impressive political strides with the support of considerable and principled convictions who are intelligent enough to make the distinction religious belief and equality under the law. Please spare up the patriot chest beating. Clearly, your concerns over these issues have very little, if anything, to do with playing the apple pie card.

PS: Add General Colin Powell to those who support gays - serving open in the military. nm

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My feelings on this - Liberty

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First of all, I am a conservative libertarian. I am also an atheist. I also believe that gay people should be able to get married. Strange, I know.

That said, I really don't see the need to amend DADT. I've never served in the military. It is a different culture with different rules. I don't get my panties in a bunch when people proselytize. They have their beliefs, and I have mine. I don't wear my beliefs or sexuality on my sleeve. It's really none of anyone's business.

I'm an atheist female, so I guess I've seen my share of sexual and religious "discrimination," but really it doesn't affect my daily anything. I simply brush people off as ignorant and go about my day.

No one is saying that a gay person can't serve his/her country. And I really don't see a reason for it to be a huge issue. Just like anywhere, keep business all about business and pleasure all about pleasure. Don't bed your bosses or coworkers, etc., and it's all good. Right?

DADT undermines job security and forces gays to - live a lie 24:7:365

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For gays, the T part of DADT means don't tell the truth...to anyone. Hide who you are (shame, shame). Are heterosexuals asked to do this?

The don't ask part is ineffective. even though they are not barred from serving (a step in the right direction 17 years ago). Neither side of the policy statement prevents officers and ranks from knowing who is gay and who is not. Hiding does not work.

One possible consequence to gays in the military is that at any given time, their jobs can be on the line at a moment's notice, their sexual orientation can be exposed by one of their not-so-frendly compadres or a homophobe, complaints lodged, investigations launched with God's knows what kinds of results...job loss being a distinct possibility.

This is bad policy, is unfair, and is based on the premise that those strong and brave enough to defend the country are not strong and brave enough to handle the truth. Colin Powell, who instituted the policy, has come around to realize this and is advocating for policy change.

At the very least, those willing to make the ultimate sacrifice should be afforded equal and fair treatment under the law while serving in the military.

I have to hide my atheism every day. - Liberty

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Some might say that a religious preference is more personal and stronger than a sexual one. Some might not.

I still don't see why it matters. It's not like a sexual preference completely defines an individual any more than a religious preference. In fact, I'd say religious preference would be harder due to mandatory practices of praying, clothing, and going to mass, temple, etc. Sexuality at least happens in private...or it should anyway. Many hetero spouses are separated from their loved ones during time of war.
Atheists are protected under the law. Hiding that is your choice - DADT mandates it for...sm
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gays who want to serve. EEOC protects you from being fired should it ever become common knowledge on your work place. EEOC also protects gays in the private sector. DADT does the opposite. Why should the military be any different?
Two notes - NJ
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1. Atheists have been harassed in the armed forces. It's not right, either, nor does it excuse prejudice against homosexuals.

2. Homosexuality is not a preference or a choice. Bisexuals might choose (and experts might disagree with me on that) but homo- and heterosexuals do not.

NJ
I know that sexuality is not a choice. - Liberty
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My bestest friend in the whole wide world is gay. I have many gay friends. And whether or not atheists are discriminated against is a moot point with me.

If we want to live in a free country with differing beliefs, sexuality and religion, sometimes that means being tolerant. And by tolerance, I mean tolerating others' beliefs too. Sexuality and religion shouldn't be a factor in any business/political specter. Why should it? I mean, really...why? That has nothing to do with one's thinking skills or abilities.

Intolerance is made worse when everyone has to put every card they hold right there on the table. Anyone can find a reason not to like someone. Sometimes it's just best to leave some things personal and private. No government official has the right to intrude on that.
One final comment. The military is not mandatory - Liberty
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If it were, then I would be singing a different tune. Imagine me walking into a men gay bar and crying discrimination because there were no straights there. We are all adults here. Everyone knows what's what. If one feels so strong about wearing his/her sexuality on his/her sleeve, then don't join the military. It's that simple.

But then again, as a bisexual, I could probably find a lot of hot girlfriends there too. :-) Bet you didn't see that coming, did you?
Ah, I should have seen it coming - NJ
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Best friends are gay, you are bi, and you think homosexuals should stay in the closet. I should have seen it coming, yes I should.

NJ
Preference - NJ
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Ah, I misunderstood when you talked about "preference" instead of "orientation". No worries ^^

As to the rest...no, being tolerant of intolerance is not an option. Intolerance isn't made worse by bringing the object of that intolerance to light. Just to opposite, I think. The more gays speak up, the more people who realize they know gays, the less trouble there is. If it remains hidden, it remains a problem, a dirty little secret, a scary monster under the bed.

If everyone in the military was told never to mention his/her spouse, I suppose that would be fair. But it would be wacky as all get out and dangerous to the mental health of our troups. Family is what gets many through the very tough time of service to the country.

I agree that sexuality and religion should not be factors in business or politics. But I think that statement better defends defeating DADT than keeping it around.

NJ

Right on Liberty - - anon

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I have no affiliation political wise. I agree with democrats on 1/2 the issues and I agree with republicans on the other half. Spritually I consider myself a mix of deist/wiccan. I did serve in the military under our great President Reagan. It was the best of times to be in the military. When I was in there were gays in our unit and other units. They just kept it to themselves and nobody knew the better unless they said something. For the most part they did not, just like heterosexuals did not talk about their preferences. We were there to serve in the military, not make our sexual preference a priority.

I too do not see what the issue is. Gays are currently serving in the military. I thought (I could be wrong), but I thought President Clinton came out with the Don't ask, don't tell, because I remember at that time saying.... please keep your sexual preferences to yourself. I don't tell you mine and I don't want to know yours - unless I'm attracted to you :-).

Why can't people just leave people alone. If someone wants to volunteer to serve in our military let them. They are a human being first.

You might be uncomfortable if you were in the military. (sm) - Nikki

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Harper's Magazine Cover Story: EvangelicalProselytization Still Rampant in U.S. Military Under Obama Administration, Offending Officers Continue to Serve, Promoted


http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/4/16/12377/3097


 


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Majority Of US Muslims Favor Shariah Law Over US Constitution.Sep 29, 2015
Albeit it is a small margin (51% prefer Shariah law over the US Constitution), it is something to seriously consider and think about. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and should not be changed to conform with Muslims. P.S. I am about as liberal as one can get. ...

Atheist Professor: I Will Mock Christians But Not Muslims Because OfNov 04, 2015
"I absolutely agree that it is okay for those of the Left to critique, mock, [and] deride Christianity, but Islam gets a free pass," Zuckerman told CNSNews.com. "Which is so strange, because if you care about women's rights, if you care about human rights, if you care about gay rights, then you really... uh... then Islam is much more problematic." From a human rights perspective, Christian nations are among the most successful, yet Zuckerman said he would not criticize Islam for fear of ...

Michigan, A Place That Has The Most Muslims Outside Of The Middle EastNov 16, 2015
is now rejecting Syrian "refugees" in addition to Alabama and Louisana! ...

Devout Muslims Appointed To Homeland Security Posts.Oct 12, 2010
Does that not give one a moment of pause?   Yes, Arif Alikhan and Kareem Shora, which the administration identified as devout Muslims, given posts in Homeland Security.  Betcha didn't hear about it on your mainline news sources either.  and remember, it was devout Muslims that flew planes into our US buildings and a devout Muslim that killed 13 at Ft. Hood.   Talk about ruining this country from within.  We are well on the road. ...

Donald Trump's Proposal On Stopping Muslims Entering The USA?May 28, 2016
He said there should be a "total and complete" shutdown of the country's borders to Muslims, "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life." Is he being sensible or just pouring fuel on the fire of paranoia in the USA? Given that just over 3000 people have been killed in terrorist attacks in t ...

Muslims And Islam Were Part Of Twin Towersâ LifeSep 14, 2010
From NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/ny...fNlI442J/DotiQ On Religion Muslims and Islam Were Part of Twin Towers’ Life Michael McElroy for The New York Times Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, now retired in Boca Raton, Fla., prayed at the trade center. By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN Published: September 10, 2010 Sometime in 1999, a construction electrician received a new work assignment from his union. The man, Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, was told to report to 2 World Trade ...

Dozens Of Somali Muslims Rallied At The Minnesota State CapitalSep 22, 2015
charged with suspicion of trying to join ISIS in April. Religion of Peace? Videographer Ami Horowitz went to Minneapolis to talk with Muslim immigrants from Somalia and Saudi Arabia about life in America. Horowitz asked what they thought of the Mohammad cartoons, Shariah Law and life in t. You might be surprised at their responses – or maybe not. Many of the immigrants said there should be blasphemy laws in America. Now this… The Center for Security Policy released a poll ...

The GOP Vs The MilitaryFeb 03, 2010
Interesting indeed!From Andrew Sullivan's blog:02 Feb 2010 07:22 pmThe GOP vs The MilitarySteve Benen makes an interesting point: Obama has spent a year following the guidance of military leaders, and Republicans have spent a year breaking with the judgment of the military establishment. It's a fascinating dynamic. On everything from civilian trials to Gitmo to torture, we have two distinct groups -- GOP leaders, the Cheneys, Limbaugh, and conservative activists on one side; President ...

Italian Priest Nixes Nativity Scene To Avoid Offending Muslims.Dec 13, 2016
An Italian priest has decided to break with tradition and not set up a nativity scene in his town’s cemetery this Christmas -- in order to avoid offending Muslims, Milan’s Corriere della Sera reported on Friday. More at link, including beautiful picture. ...

Military BurielDec 02, 2009
I don't know for sure but given the fact that I was married to a military man for 9 of our 18 years, it all sounds llike crapola to me, all coming from her.  The Red Cross may be able to help.  They were our liason when we needed to contact one of our guys out to sea on a submarine.  We were generally not allowed to know where they were at any given time and were out of contact with our husbands for sometimes 100 or more days at a time, so we used them as the go-between.&nbs ...

Military BenefitsAug 26, 2010
My first husband (a military man) killed himself years ago.  I was (am) entitlted to death benefits and have received them for the past 12 years.  I am now in a common law relationship (2 years), but ready to end it.  He is being very difficult and wants everything, including for me to sell MY home and split the money from that.  I've spoke to a lawyer who says that my state recognizes common law relationships and we will actually have to go through a divorce. My q ...

The Military Has Just Taken Over Egypt. Wonder What's Next.Jul 03, 2013
Morsi is no longer president. I can't type fast enough to give military's statement so you'll just have to wait and see what the news states.Wonder how Obama feels about this. After all, he backed Morsi during the elections.  ...

Need Military Burial InformationDec 02, 2009
My husband's father was in the military and served in VietNam 3 times.  He just passed right after divorcing his wife.  His wife now says that in between hospitalizations she took him to the JP and they re-married and he changed his will (8 days after he made the will after the divorce).  Now that is enough to grasp but here is the clincher.  She is telling the family that the military won't bury him for 8 days (because they are so busy) and after the 1 hour viewing ...

Military Corruption At Its Worst...Aug 30, 2012
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.  Ooh rah. ...