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Michelle Bachmann is a ditz...Rick Perry is stupid...


Posted: Aug 30, 2011

If anyone wonders why this country is in the political turmoil and economic state that it is in, maybe we need look no further than our own mirrors.

Whether it be an informal "debate" or political commentary in the public media, the state of political discourse has been reduced to the playground level.

"You're stupid!."  "No, you're stupider."  "It's Bush's fault."  "It's Obama's fault." 

Are we really no more grown up than that? 

When we dislike or disagree with a candidate is it that much harder to piece together a coherent argument based on policies than to make a fool of oneself acting the playground bully?

Is "Michelle Bachmann is a ditz" the best argument you can come up with?  Which of her POLICIES do you disagree with and why?  Same with Rick Perry?  Are you acquainted with his foreign policy ideas?  Do you know where he stands on the subject of Israel and formation of a Palestinian state?  When you can articulate those arguments well, then you can sit at the grown-up's table.

Have any of you run for political office?  Have you even been on the board of your local PTO?  Your homeowner's association?  This low-ball name-calling isn't better than the guy with the beer belly on Sunday afternoon who plays armchair quarterback. 

It's sad that women seem to bear the brunt of this name-calling - not just conservatives, but liberals as well.  Where were the women of America when Hillary was running?  Why do American women seem to dislike successful and powerful women so much?  We can see this in the microcosm of this forum.  You don't have to read too many posts down from the original post of someone who is sharing their happiness about how productive they have been at their job before you see somebody else sniping at them.  I really don't see a women getting elected President any time soon, which is sad.  Sometimes they have more cojones than the men.

Just my 0.02.  Flame away if you dare.

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Hmmmm - Old Pro

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Thank you for an intelligent and well-written post. I could not agree more. I often think that most people behave as if they were in preschool. Not kindergarten, but preschool. Sad.

Ditzy and stupid - Mgc

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I agree with you, but we're letting the politicians and the talking heads (pundits) do this to us. We're getting our opinions from these people and just parroting away and seem to be more divided by the day.

I've ranted before about the beyond-dumb crap people repeat. Seems like no one wants to do their homework anymore, and I'm just as guilty as anyone else. Instead of listening to Limbaugh, Coulter, Matthews, Maddow, and Beck, we'd all be better off doing some serious research on these goofballs parading as candidates. (Was that an example of what I'm complaining about?)

I gotta tell ya', though, I love Jon Stewart and Colbert. They put the craziness of both parties right out there, and I love it!

So, I believe I'll take my own advice and turn off the talking heads or at least check to see how much of a spin they're putting on the "facts."

Thanks for the reminder!

Are there any good nonpartisan fact-checking resources out there? - hmmm

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That would be my ideal. I typically read media on both sides of the aisle, all the while understanding that they both have their own biases and own agendas.

Sources - Mgc

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Great question, and I'm going to do my best to see if I can find some decent bipartisan sites. Research on the research..hmmm..

One of the first things to do, though, is to look at their voting records. That's what sold me on Joe Biden. I haven't actually taken the time to do that in a long time, but I believe it's a good start.
Sources - Mcg
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I meant to add that if anyone else has found any good bipartisan sites, please do share that info. It's difficult to know where to start.

I'm still going to try, though, and see if I can come up with anything. I need to get motivated and just take the time to do it. And like I said, if anyone finds who has already found some good sites, please share.
Well.. can't edit my last post, didn't password the darn thing, but - here's one that might be worth checking out.
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http://www.factcheck.org/

I'm going to take a longer look later, but it looks like it might be a good start.

www.congress.org - Zville MT

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It's really not a fact-checking site, but you can sign up for what they call Mega Vote, which sends you an email every week of what's been voted on, how your reps voted, and what's coming up to be voted on. I haven't messed around with it enough to see if you can get voting records from any other reps from other states, but you can click on your own rep and get an entire profile, including how they have voted on past issues. It also gives email addresses, webpage addresses, mailing addresses, everything you need to keep tabs on your reps.

I also found this from the Washington Post that's pretty interesting. Just in thumbing through it, it doesn't give specific voting records, but it does give a percentage of how much that rep voted with thier party. The Post says it's a work in progres, so they may be working on specifics next. Here's the site: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/

I'm still on the hunt for a bipartisan news source - hard to find, but it's gotta be out there ;) I'll post when I find it (am I being too optimistic? LOL!)

Probably too optimistic...lol - hmmm
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I looked at factcheck.org, and they are funded by the Annenberg Trust. I don't know where that trust stands, although the Annenberg family that started it supported Ronald Reagan financially in his campaign.
Too optimistic. - Mcg
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Yep.. I guess I was too optimistic then... lol.. I thought I had a real find with Factcheck. Well..I'll just keep trying. Oh, and thanks for the info.

I'd just really like a site which didn't say that the other side was made up of demons, aliens, cave-dwellers, cannibals, etc. lol!~
And aliens...don't forget aliens... - hmmm
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You really do need to find where the funding - sm
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for these so called "independent" sites comes from. If a site was funded by Bush or Cheney or any other right wing fringe groups I'm sure people wouldn't trust it either.

Read this I thought was interesting -

"When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."

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