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Message for those who are touting the greatness of Obamacare (sm)

Posted: Mar 19, 2014

You better pray you or a loved one don't get cancer and want to be treated at an excellent cancer facility - or happen to need more than the usual standard treatments.

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And this comes from NBC. Maybe they're waking up. - NPC

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I hope and pray no one has to find out the hard way, and maybe this will prove that the 6 million are not the liars Harry Reid made them out to be!!

That's why I picked the NBC post (there are many sources) - OP (sm)

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Directly from the AP. That way no one could say it was a bad source. :)

I suppose - NK

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you could balance that against the number of people who now have coverage and can actually see a physician instead of ignoring symptoms and hoping they'll go away because they have no way to pay for any type of care at all.

I supposed you could balance that agains the millions - that lost their coverage and now have nothing

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Just because someone may have health insurance does not mean they will go to the docs. People had health insurance before this mess and they still didn't go to docs.

Arms get tired from all that reaching. - nm

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nm

I suppose - sm

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this is why the president doesn't have obamacare for himself and his family. It's only for the little guy, right?

Or, I suppose, - NK

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it's because the president and congress and federal employees were already covered under the Federal Employees Health Benefits program provided by their employer. A single payer plan would have provided the same coverage for everyone.

And I suppose - sm

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this selfish act on the part of the Democrats didn't take into account that a lot of other Americans already had insurance with which they were perfectly happy, but now have nothing or are on the government dole because of Obamacare.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post, but... - sm

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...the Republicans were against Single Payer.

Hopefully, if the Democrats can keep the Senate and retake the House, there's still hope for a single payer program.

Some things in the Republic of America should not be for-profit endeavors, and healthcare is DEFINITELY one of those things.

Message received: Yawn unfortunately - its the same message

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ACA is not the flaming failure they (GOP/TP) were praying it would be... and its still very much in its infancy! Its way past time the 'greatest nation' spent $$ on people here at home instead of $$ invading countries all around the world.

If you mine the news you can find flaws in ACA because they EXIST. But if you believe that NO PERSON should have to suffer in silence without the ability to at least see a doctor, then you should be cheering for the success of this policy. Repubs and Dems alike will have a chance to improve the law, but when the Repubs had a chance to act in the past, THEY PASSED.

LOL - I think its funny you believe that - sm

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The money they are getting from this failure they call healthcare (which is anything but healthcare) IS being used to "invade countries all around the world". Also this whole failure/farce was designed to make the insurance companies rich.

What I find funny is that people really don't understand what is going on.

Sorry, to disappoint but the ACA is a huge failure of epic proportions. Millions and millions of people kicked out of insurance, who were insurance before this hit are now out of insurance.

But hey its the "I got mine *blank* the rest of you" attitude. It's also used to divide people against each other and looks like it's doing its job.

That same "I got mine *blank" the rest of you" - attitude is why the ACA in the first place

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Excuse me if I fail to sympathize with a bunch of whiners who lost their "perfectly fine" insurance (which I bet most never used - then they would see how great it is) when they had the same attitude to those who were not able to get insurance, those who were cut off by the insurance companies when they actually had to use their insurance, those who went bankrupt due to medical bills thanks to bad or no insurance, the list goes on.

That's right, where was the moral outrage when THEY said "I got mine *blank* the rest of you"?

I find especially annoying those who can well afford high premiums and high deductibles, most of whom get those same paid by their company because, I don't know, I guess you have such a great high-paying job you get rewarded further by NOT having to pay anything for gold plated insurance too.

Now they have to pay just a little bit more in premiums and a deductible, they are up in arms and everything is evil.

Hey, people who are mad because they have to pay a bit more. Guess what? You can afford it, stop moaning. Being able to afford things is relative, but not being able to afford any health insurance at all for years has not been a choice for most of us, it has been reality and the ACA is a good thing.

If you lost what you thought was good enough insurance due to the ACA, blame your insurance company.

If you find it too horrible to check the exchanges because they are going to steal your identity, stop watching Fox.

If you are complaining and moaning and you are uninsured because you either can't bring yourself to try to enroll, sorry, call an insurance broker or a navigator, and if you still have problems, just keep trying.

Bureaucracy is everywhere in the country, we have to wait hours sometimes just to talk to a bank or credit card place, the DMV or any other govt entity. At least with the ACA you end up with something at the end of it, so just keep trying and try to ignore what the right wing media are telling you, please, make that sacrifice to get you and your family covered.

It will probably kill you to find out you will be paying less and getting better coverage, but you don't have to tell anyone.

BRaVA! - nm

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Exactly! - mbmt

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You posted what I have been thinking and stated it so much better than I could have. Thanks!

I blame OBC/insurance companies, since - they are in it together

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Big kickbacks and bonuses for insurance companies because of the implementation of a failure of a system.

Believe me, insurance companies are not hurting with ACA. They are out there profiting from it.

Why blame anyone? - This is a very new law

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I sometimes shake my head at the speed with which well meaning Americans rush to play the blame game.

Could we just take a break and pray that this law actually works - or that it works with some fixes?

Or does it always have to be shoot the other guy down at all costs?

If the latter is true, then Congress is just following the same game plan when they WON'T work together.

You NAILED it! Brava! - nm

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No, not really. Republicans tried, but dems wouldn't hear of it - Now it's lets throw people out

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of their existing healthcare. We got ours *blank* the rest of them. It's payback time now.

Any chance you would support your claim? - just wondering

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You said: The money they are getting from this failure they call healthcare (which is anything but healthcare) IS being used to "invade countries all around the world". Also this whole failure/farce was designed to make the insurance companies rich.

Who is THEY? That's my main question.

Then, I'd be curious to know which countries are being invaded SINCE the sstart of ACA - which is the insinuation from your statement.

I have lots of proof to support my claim - Nothing you would like though - nm

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nm

Thanks to a cool-headed commander-in-chief, - sm

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NO countries have been invaded. Obama is NOT Bush.

And as far as Bush goes, did you know that he included universal healthcare for ALL Iraqis in the cost of that disaster?

It's about time that AMERICANS were treated with the same concern as Republicans give to FOREIGN countries that we invade, occupy and destroy, wars of choice with lies as their basis, simply because a Texas oil guy wanted to steal Iraq's oil!

I agree with your post but remember the - Democrats help to fund

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Bush's war(s) - they were the majority then. Bush and cheney were the architects of the war but Democrats were part of the plan.

People seem to forget that Bush had a Democratic majority - at some point.

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I guess that makes it convenient for them when they want to blame him for everything since the beginning of time.

Not quite - Democrats participated

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But it was still bush's cold-hearted, blatent lies which corrupted further our reputation around the world as an imperialist bully.

When the democrats FUNDED it, well that's when the notion of a two party system is a fairytale : One side may START the war(s) but if the other side SUPPORTS it in the face of clear evidence they should not, they are just as guilty.

Bush sure had a lot of power all by himself, eh? - sm

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We'll have to agree to disagree on this because I see where your mindset is and I know where mine is.

BRAVA! - BRAVA!

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brava

And the Republicans are spending all their - sm

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time trying to REPEAL the ACA because they simply don't want all USA citizens to have access to affordable healthcare.

Are they on their 51st attempt at repeal, or is it more? I lost count.

Meanwhile, they could act on a jobs bill, restore unemployment benefits for millions of people or SOMETHING to let the "little people" think that Republicans are on their side. Instead, they reinforce each and every day that they couldn't care less about the 99% of Americans and are in the pockets of 1% of Americans.

Here's the last paragraph of the article - which shows

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that ACA is, like all laws, subject to change:

The Obama administration says it has notified insurers that their networks will get closer scrutiny for next year in the 36 states served by the federal exchange. Cancer care will be a priority, it says.

I am wondering if those so opposed to ACA expected the law to roll out in 100% perfect form? As this last paragraph shows, Obama admin is aware of the issue and has already put insurers on notice ;)

I was able to read the last paragraph - on my own,

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thank you very much, but the empty words do NOTHING to allay my concerns regarding those in need of care NOW. Among Harry Reid's 6 million liars are some people who lost insurance coverage in the midst of cancer treatment or lost their doctor, or both. Yes, I expected more, a lot more. If Obamacare wasn't 100% ready at the rollout deadline, it should have been delayed like the GOP recommended at the get go, but no, the Donkey Party had to bray and cry that the GOP was causing a government shutdown, etc. We need insurance reform in this country, but we don't need the inferior Obamacare and we don't need a single payer plan. We need to follow the old principle of majority rules. Remember that? In this case, the majority of Americans DO NOT WANT Obamacare.

P.S. Of note, I haven't even touched on the security risk issue where Americans' identities are vulnerable.

I'm MUCH more concerned about Americans' - sm

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identities are vulnerable when their medical notes are being transcribed by foreigners who aren't necessarily friendly to the United States.

As far as delaying it as the GOP recommended, the GOP has filed more than 50 petitions to REPEAL Obamacare. They're bought and paid for by the greedy insurance companies.

When are people going to finally understand that the GOP only cares about the top 1% because it's profitable for THEM?

They don't care a hoot about all those people whose only income was unemployment compensation and are happy to cut off that source of income for them. That hurts the unemployed, and it hurts the economy.

But when you only care about the top 1%, you don't care about the other 99%, and the GOP has made that clear ad nauseam!

Sorry, but partially disagree with you. - sm

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Your post regarding obamacare sounds like the feed from MSNBC. Most Americans are not buying it.

As far as medical records being transcribed by foreigners and identities being at risk, I agree with you 100%.

So you read this article - and the bad guy is Obamacare?

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How about the insurance companies?:

"To keep premiums low, INSURERS have designed narrow networks of hospitals and doctors. The government-subsidized private plans on the exchanges typically offer less choice than Medicare or employer plans.

By not including a top cancer center an INSURER CAN CUT COSTS."

So that's okay? They are the ones cutting access to the cancer centers to cut costs? Aiyiyi. Anything to make Obamacare the evil you seek.

I choose to focus on the last paragraph:

"The Obama administration says it has notified insurers that their networks will get closer scrutiny for next year in the 36 states served by the federal exchange. Cancer care will be a priority, it says."

Sometimes I think all you Obamacare naysayers just want to say I told you so, you don't even understand why you want to say I told you so.

Insurance companies are in it for profit. Profit does not belong in healthcare. Most countries get this. Somehow misguided individuals seem determined to defend the insurance companies at all costs. Why is that, can anyone explain?

If I didn't know better I'd be tempted to think - some are paid trolls

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You know the adage about if you repeat lies often enough they be come truths.

After all, 'perception' IS reality (what people perceive they believe).

No matter how WELL refuted a post is here - by ANY measure of common sense, reason, not to mention known current facts, the shrill cry from the other side is constant. All the fake concern for those being negatively affected by the ACA rings hollow when you realize this same group was NOT vocal before ACA removed many of the barriers to insurance COVERAGE.

How now brown cow?

Curious if you would write this... - sm

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...if you were one of those cancer patients denied treatment or had your treatment suspended because of obamacare.

If I was one of those cancer patients - denied or suspended treatment

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I would be so busy on the phone to the ACA people AND my insurance company AND my congressman, senator, etc., it would make your head spin.

The ACA people have acknowledged there is an issue and they are watching it. You can't just say, well, then Obamacare bad, end it. It is the insurance company who is the bad actor, and yes, if I were affected, I would make darn sure the local media, the ACA people, etc., knew all about it.

What is the point about crying about Obamacare when the real culprit is the insurance company who, as usual, is trying to restrict services and care in the name of almighty profit?

As nasty as they are, any business needs good publicity, and if you have the time and energy to complain about Obamacare, which is not going to result in you getting the care, you have the time and energy to out the real bad guy here, the insurance company, and ultimately you have more of a chance of getting help finding a way to get that care, whether it be through the hospital or the ACA people, OR the fact that the insurance company gets its rightly deserved bad exposure in the press and relents, instead of the same old repeal Obamacare garbage.

Sorry, but it does need to be repealed. It's been (sm) - me

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changed so many times, it's not recognizable anymore. Repeal, repeal, repeal. It's a crappy law. Get rid of it.

You're right, and - sm

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if it was so great, why keep changing it? It should have been perfected before the rollout instead of shoved out like they were afraid or something.

To the die-hard Obama supporters, we all agree that there needs to be insurance reform, just not this type of reform where we are forced into socialized medicine.

Reading -shaking head - History anyone?

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Apparently must think the NEW LAW should have rolled out 100% perfect. News bulletin: Due diligence will show MANY major policies were flawed on roll-out. Don't believe me - google it.

The screaming from the right to repeal ACA is often paid for by parties who have a VESTED INTEREST in keeping the status quo: millions of uninsured being treated through the ERs or not at all.

We are not fooled.

The Republicans were against universal - sm

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healthcare way back when Hillary Clinton tried to make it happen.

Germany has a great universal healthcare system, and their costs are much less than ours because healthcare is nonprofit, AS IT SHOULD BE.

The GOP wants to repeal, repeal, repeal ad nauseam, but they don't say what they would replace the ACA with because they have nothing to offer. The ideas they DID offer were considered by Obama in a bi-partisan way, and he, trying to be bi-partisan, allowed some of the GOP's ideas (the worst ones) to be included in the law.

If/when the Democrats retake the House, there will be many fixes to the ACA.

It would be nice if Congress agreed to participate in a bi-partisan manner with President Obama, returning the courtesy that Obama afforded them.

It is not socialized medicine - wish it were

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How could it be socialized medicine when privately owned insurance companies are involved and they are in it to make a profit?

BINGO!!! - nm

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Disagree, disagree, disagree - the law is good

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And since when do you just throw something out when it has a few glitches, say, like Medicare Part D?

Or that you aren't my friend currently dying - Anonymouse

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I (still) have a friend who had breast cancer many years ago. Consequently she didn't have health insurance; she couldn't get health insurance without paying an arm and a leg for a plan with a bunch of exceptions for a pre-existing condition . Her arm started aching but she kept putting off seeing a doctor. Then the ache became unbearable and she finally saw a doctor. A tumor had broken a bone. After many more months delay because of not having insurance, she learned that the problem in the arm was not the breast cancer returning, but due to a cancer that started by her kidney. She found out a couple of weeks ago that the cancer is now in her brain. IF she had been able to have single payer insurance, IF she had been seeing a doctor regularly, would she have found the cancer soon enough? For all the people who didn't read their paperwork and find out too late that their plan doesn't include their preferred doctor or medical center, think about all the people who DIED and are DYING right now because they don't have any medical care.

The ACA has REMOVED the pre-existing - sm

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clause from insurance policies.

If she doesn't want to sign up for the ACA, then that's HER decision not to get help.

I think the original poster was pointing out - she could have gotten care

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Way back when if they had the ACA and maybe the cancer would not have progressed. Am I right in guessing this, poster?

Yes, the pre-existing thing is good, but also extremely valuable is when someone knows something is really wrong like the above lady and can't even afford a GP visit because of the prohibitive cost, had she been able to get treatment via the ACA years ago her cancer could have been treated and the broken bone and pain, which must be making her life so much more miserable, could have been prevented.

Nobody wants free health care, either, but you do want affordable care and not to turn up out of desperation at the ER with the knowledge you are incurring a bill you can never pay and which may end up bankrupting you.

Getting a subsidy to be able to afford health insurance is not something anyone should be ashamed of. We are a product of this society. If we don't make a living wage and enough to pay the exorbitant price out of pocket for health care, to say we don't deserve to get health care means you are virtually saying money is everything/God because only rich people deserve to be healthy.

She has insurance NOW, she needed it BEFORE - OP

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But she couldn't get it until the law changed.

RIP - OP

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Her pain is over now.

I'm so sorry - NK

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for your loss and for the suffering your friend had to endure.

There is truth in this. - see message

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I know 100% sure for a FACT that one major insurance carrier has lost all of their participating oncologists in a 75-mile radius and there is only ONE oncologist still participating. That office is now being swamped by cancer patients on that plan who are now having to DRIVE 45 min to an hour to get their treatment. We are just praying that he continues to take that insurance.

You say one insurance carrier has "lost" - the participating oncologists

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Can you explain what that means? Whose choice was that, the insurance company or the oncologists?

And wondering why everyone has the same insurance - is it a big employer that offers it?

This to me is just another reason to make Obamacare available to all. Even though you might be offered insurance by your employer that is "grandfathered" - often you have limited choices and in my case I have junk insurance with low premiums but extremely high deductible offered by my employer. Even my husband's plan, which is much better, is restricted by location since you must be in the network and we have 2 children going to college away who, if they do have to get care, will cost a bundle in out of network costs.

There are so many factors involved, but again mainly I would wonder why that major insurance carrier "lost" the participating oncologists.

I wonder if it is possible, if it is a large area employer, for that employer to encourage the insurance company to get the oncologists back or get new ones, or, if it is the oncologists who do not wish to participate, maybe see what can be done to figure out why and get them back.

Large employers have a lot of power to negotiate for many aspects of health care with the insurance companies they inflict on their employees, yet they rarely do. Their one concern is usually just cost to them, with not much analysis or negotiation of cost/benefit to their employees. It often seems there are 2 tiers (or more) of insurance - I saw that when my husband worked for Walmart. Most employees got the cheap premium/high deductible one, but of course the executives could afford the one with copays and much better cost sharing.

If the insurer is one that is participating in the ACA and they are losing oncologists, I imagine the ACA people would want to investigate why because it sounds like there is a monopoly going on there.

Doctors are no longer available because - Laura

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their reimbursement under Obamacare will be 30% less than it was before. Some will say that doctors make too much money now, but remember, we are part of this system which means that if the doctor makes less money, everyone that works for that doctor makes less money. The doctor will not be the only one to take the hit - the nurses, laboratory technicians, x-ray technicians, the janitor who cleans the office, everyone and yes, including the transcriptionist will make less money. Many doctors have just decided that they will not participate. That's the same reason that doctors choose not to treat medicare and Medicaid patients - because of the discrepancy between what they charge and what they get paid. I did work for a small hospital years ago and I learned about reimbursement - the hospital had 2 postings to a medicare or welfare patient's account - the first was what the government paid and the next was what the hospital itself had to write off. Doctors are seeing the writing on the wall and deciding to avoid Obamacare patients....

So where do they get their patients then - if they refuse Obamacare patients?

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Aren't we all going to eventually be in the ACA system in some form or another?

I wonder about the reimbursement - is it a national thing per doctor, or is it in the budget and the hospital chooses where they allocate resources?

Again, I wonder about hospitals who have top heavy financial/administration personnel, the ever present over compensated CEO and various VPs. How about they cut a few $ from their ranks and compensate the docs better?

We in the medical transcription business can possibly sympathize much more with the doctors than management. We too are providing the valuable service that brings money in and have the CEO at the top and another level of management plus then the QA who used to be our partners, now our executioners, picking off the $.

I have never objected to doctors earning big money, I feel they deserve it. But if they are ALL going to opt out, there will be an awful lot of people paying privately or with some special kind of insurance not available to most of us and how long can that last?

Patients under employer insurance - for the timebeing.... - Laura

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There are still a lot of people on employer-based healthcare plans - and the mandate for those plans has been delayed for a year. Doctors are also considering work in a clinic where the clinic pays them, rather than working for themselves, where they get the payment from insurance.

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Just this week my medical reports have included: 1. A suicide attempt by a patient who was despondent over the hospital bills that had accrued last year (before Obamacare). Patient is still recovering from illness and was depressed about not being able to pay bills. 2. A patient who was uninsured who had probably suffered a ruptured appendix a couple of months ago (before Obamacare) and went untreated. Patient now admitted for an abdom ...

Feb 06, 2014
who said they wanted it to fail, but didn't think it would be this fast. Problems they thought they could get by with for a longer period of time are now blowing up in their collective faces, and it couldn't happen to a better bunch. ...

May 14, 2014
More deceit and wasteful spending. Why am I no longer suprised? Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/13/serco-employees-obamacare_n_5317800.html ...