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This explains the health plan without venom, blame or name-calling.
Posted: Oct 14, 2013
This is a good link to explain the whole mess. It does not blame anyone, does not attack anyone, is just a logical, factual statement, so if you are gonig to respond to it, please have the same class and don't be a nasty person, a know-it-all, or an abrasive individual.
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HOw can we trust a link that says "...Ramsey destroys obamacare" - Does that sound neutral to you?
[ In Reply To ..]Just sayin.
That's just the site. There is a link to the audio if you would have gone to the site - Oldie
[ In Reply To ..]Xx
But you don't understand... as soon as i see - the link with the give away
[ In Reply To ..]I know that NOTHING there will be neutral or fair as the original post implied it would be...
I posted the gist of it for those of you who want to read it... - good grief
[ In Reply To ..]“Pull your head far enough out of your politics to have an original thought.”
“January 1st, 2014 every insurance company is required to take on anyone, no matter how sick they are, and they cannot charge them more than someone who is not ill…You're 500 lbs. you have diabetes, you’ve got cancer, you’ve had three heart attacks you’re going to pay the exact same premium as a perfectly healthy person.”
“I understand the motivation, and the nobility and the moral imperative behind that. I get that. But that doesn’t change the math, the math is that those people get sick more often and run up more medical bills than someone who is healthy. Duh.”
“If they now have to be covered by the same company that you’re covered by and they’re required to take them… then the math kicks in. Because the amount of money that that company was paying out to the medical community is going to go way up. They’re going to pay out to the medical community per person than they ever have before… what they pay out per person is how your premium is determined – plus profit.”
“Everyone is going to be charged the same. Translation you are going to pay higher premiums to keep the insurance company open, so they don’t go broke. Because they are now going to have to cover people that they didn’t have to cover before… sick people.”
“It’s a nice moral imperative, but it doesn’t change the math.”
“Translation. Your health insurance premiums are going to go WAY up. They HAVE to. It’s not that I’m mad about it, it’s not a political statement. It’s that I know how to do math.”
“Your premium went way up, your employer paying them might affect your raise. It might even affect the stability of your job because they might not be able to pay everybody, because they have higher costs of operating now… you paid for it, it’s called a pass-through, you’re going to pay for it.”
“46% of Americans pay NO income tax.”
PONZI_SOCIAL_SECURITY“This is not an angry thing, it’s a math thing… we are not exempt from math. Just because you think social security is a good idea does not mean you are right, you still have to do the math.”
“If I put 10% of the money that I pay into Social Security I can beat what social security administration does with the other 90%, that’s how bad it sucks, mathematically. In other words that money is not invested it is sent to Washington and promptly stolen by them.”
“You don’t even get back what you pay in. Mathematically this is known as, sucks….”
Dave minced no words. I wish politicians would do the same. - Mr.Micawber recipe for happiness
[ In Reply To ..]One of my favorites, You can't suspend gravity because you want to.
Thanks for the summary, but IMHO it is - just a rant - personal opinion nothing more
[ In Reply To ..]Can you NOT see this is a one-sided diabtribe? I'm all for fair criticism of the proposed plan, one that plays devils's advocate, etc., but this is just a nothing piece - it doesn't even pretend to be well researched.
He says in the video this is from a business angle, not political.nm - Did you watch the video
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The poster probably didn't watch the video. - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]Closed minds don't watch, read or hear anything that may suggest there's a problem with a law they love.
Define original thought. - For me
[ In Reply To ..]it means reading the bill, researching both objective and left, right, moderate, centrist and independent subjective resources on historical, statistical, demographic, economic, and comparative global healthcare delivery system contexts, looking at the before and after pictures, then making up my own mind by deciding how it will impact my given set of circumstances. We are WAY beyond the place where sites like eaglerising and titles containing attack phrases such as "destroys Obamacare" and "Ponzi scheme" can do anything but impede that process.
At this point, you are either for it or against it. That said, there is no 11th hour effort that is going to significantly amend, delay or repeal either parts of all of the act. It is the law and its implementation is now a given.
Can't you just ignore things that don't interest you? - Others might be interested.
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I love Dave Ramsey. His financial plan is biblically sound.nm - REDSKINS FAN (can still say that)
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I would think that providing healthcare to as many - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]people as possible would be something that Jesus would do.
Anyway, what does the Bible have to do with America's budget?????
Jesus would encourage people, not governments. - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
Except that government IS made up of - PEOPLE
[ In Reply To ..]And Jesus would NOT condone a system in which the poor do not have access to basic healthcare.
If OBAMACARE doesn't work, the REpublicans will have plenty of time to implement their (alternative) plan - or demonstrate that they never had intentions of leveling this particular ground.
Politicians do things to keep them in power. - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
Government taking money from one group to give to another is - not a biblical principle.
[ In Reply To ..]nnnn
Would Jesus support... - v
[ In Reply To ..]...politicians funneling money upward to the top 1%?
Of course not. Jesus is about the individual. nm - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
It's good that you know so much what Jesus thinks. - oracle
[ In Reply To ..]Seems rather presumptuous to me.
Jesus, the original libertarian. - heh (nm)
[ In Reply To ..]nm
You think he wants grass to be legal? - me
[ In Reply To ..]Because if he does, I'm down with that.
It is a plant his father created and all.
I guess you haven't heard there will be 30 million (sm) - Sigh....
[ In Reply To ..]AT THE END of implementation who will not have insurance - but instead of being the poorest of the poor, they will be the middle class. For God's sake, turn off MSNBC.
There is a difference in health care and health insurance. nm - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
This post was supposed to go above to Libby. - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
Biblically sound? - eh?
[ In Reply To ..]What exactly does that mean?
I knew when I posted that it would blow some people's minds. - REDSKINS FAN (can still say that)
[ In Reply To ..]Staying out of debt, tithing, there are many things, how to take care of the poor as an individual, not a collective. Proverbs, Psalms, The Gospel.
Blow some peoples' minds? - LOL
[ In Reply To ..]Definition: To affect with intense emotion, such as amazement, excitement, or shock.
I don't think asking "biblically sound? eh?" is equivalent to having one's mind blown. LMAO
Sorry to disappoint... - eh?
[ In Reply To ..]My mind is not blown. I just didn't know what you meant by biblically sound.
Well trying googling since your mind is not blown. nm - anon
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
I'm not even sure what you mean by that. - eh?
[ In Reply To ..]I thought it was a reasonable question.
and I though it was a reasonable answer, look it up yourself - if you really want to know
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
You're trying to be provocative. You don't really want to know, otherwise - you would research it yourself.
[ In Reply To ..]xxx
- there's biblically sound for you : o
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so...how do you feel about the Tampa Bay Rays - removing "devil"
[ In Reply To ..]even though the name refers to a fish?
How is that at all similar? - nm
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like this - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The biblically correct poster mocks the "redskins" issue as PC. It's completely reasonable for me to ask her opinion of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays removing "Devil".
Ironic - NK
[ In Reply To ..]that you reference an explanation "without venom, blame, or name-calling" and then go on to describe the ACA as "the whole mess" and admonish people not to be "a nasty person, know-it-all, or abrasive person."
NAILED it - so much myopia going around - these days - nm
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I did not call any specific person any name. I referenced no venom, etc because many posts here are - Oldie
[ In Reply To ..]Even the government admits to problems with this whole program.
Dave's article might disrupt their unicorn world. see msg - anon
[ In Reply To ..]His message is spot on. Do the math. It's all common sense.
I think Oldie was just trying to help, and I enjoy reading his articles, S/M - MT2
[ In Reply To ..]I want to be able to yell I"M DEBT FREE on his show one of these days.
I remember now why I quit posting here. It doesn't take much to set some people off.
suffice to say that there is more to this equation than is dreamt of - in Ramsey's math
[ In Reply To ..]For all his talk about doing the math, he leaves a lot out of the equation. One example:
He rails about Social Security. But let's remember: Earnings over $110,000 are exempt from SS tax. So he pays no more than about 6,600 a year (assuming, reasonably, that his earning exceed $110,000). Imagine how much money would be available if we raised that cap just a little?
I think it's kind of funny that before the election, conservatives were talking about a war on the rich, and now they are talking about war on the middle class.
Part of the Republican plan was to raise the cap on SS - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]which is VERY sensible, but can't remember who first brought it up. John McCain, back in 2005 was for it before he was against it in 2007.
This has been an ongoing fight for years.
I certainly hope they can get it going - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It seems to me that recent proposals of this nature have been met with cries of a "war on the wealthy".
That was a good, sensible post. - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]Why that headline, I don't know. He didn't destroy Obamacare at all. He explained it mathematically, etc. and it was a great video.
I followed some of his plans. He's better than Suze Orman. She flips and flops a lot and I stopped watching her months ago.
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