A community of 30,000 US Transcriptionist serving Medical Transcription Industry

No God Needed To Create Universe


Posted: Sep 7, 2010

By STEPHEN HAWKING And LEONARD MLODINOW

According to Viking mythology, eclipses occur when two wolves, Skoll and Hati, catch the sun or moon. At the onset of an eclipse people would make lots of noise, hoping to scare the wolves away. After some time, people must have noticed that the eclipses ended regardless of whether they ran around banging on pots.

Ignorance of nature's ways led people in ancient times to postulate many myths in an effort to make sense of their world. But eventually, people turned to philosophy, that is, to the use of reason—with a good dose of intuition—to decipher their universe. Today we use reason, mathematics and experimental test—in other words, modern science.
Albert Einstein said, "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible." He meant that, unlike our homes on a bad day, the universe is not just a conglomeration of objects each going its own way. Everything in the universe follows laws, without exception.

Newton believed that our strangely habitable solar system did not "arise out of chaos by the mere laws of nature." Instead, he maintained that the order in the universe was "created by God at first and conserved by him to this Day in the same state and condition." The discovery recently of the extreme fine-tuning of so many laws of nature could lead some back to the idea that this grand design is the work of some grand Designer. Yet the latest advances in cosmology explain why the laws of the universe seem tailor-made for humans, without the need for a benevolent creator.

Many improbable occurrences conspired to create Earth's human-friendly design, and they would indeed be puzzling if ours were the only solar system in the universe. But today we know of hundreds of other solar systems, and few doubt that there exist countless more among the billions of stars in our galaxy. Planets of all sorts exist, and obviously, when the beings on a planet that supports life examine the world around them, they are bound to find that their environment satisfies the conditions they require to exist.

It is possible to turn that last statement into a scientific principle: The fact of our being restricts the characteristics of the kind of environment in which we find ourselves. For example, if we did not know the distance from the Earth to the sun, the fact that beings like us exist would allow us to put bounds on how small or great the Earth-sun separation could be. We need liquid water to exist, and if the Earth were too close, it would all boil off; if it were too far, it would freeze. That principle is called the "weak" anthropic principle.
The weak anthropic principle is not very controversial. But there is a stronger form that is regarded with disdain among some physicists. The strong anthropic principle suggests that the fact that we exist imposes constraints, not just on our environment, but on the possible form and content of the laws of nature themselves.

The idea arose because it is not only the peculiar characteristics of our solar system that seem oddly conducive to the development of human life, but also the characteristics of our entire universe—and its laws. They appear to have a design that is both tailor-made to support us and, if we are to exist, leaves little room for alteration. That is much more difficult to explain.

The tale of how the primordial universe of hydrogen, helium and a bit of lithium evolved to a universe harboring at least one world with intelligent life like us is a tale of many chapters. The forces of nature had to be such that heavier elements—especially carbon—could be produced from the primordial elements, and remain stable for at least billions of years. Those heavy elements were formed in the furnaces we call stars, so the forces first had to allow stars and galaxies to form. Those in turn grew from the seeds of tiny inhomogeneities in the early universe.

Even all that is not enough: The dynamics of the stars had to be such that some would eventually explode, precisely in a way that could disperse the heavier elements through space. In addition, the laws of nature had to dictate that those remnants could recondense into a new generation of stars, these surrounded by planets incorporating the newly formed heavy elements.

By examining the model universes we generate when the theories of physics are altered in certain ways, one can study the effect of changes to physical law in a methodical manner. Such calculations show that a change of as little as 0.5% in the strength of the strong nuclear force, or 4% in the electric force, would destroy either nearly all carbon or all oxygen in every star, and hence the possibility of life as we know it. Also, most of the fundamental constants appearing in our theories appear fine-tuned in the sense that if they were altered by only modest amounts, the universe would be qualitatively different, and in many cases unsuitable for the development of life. For example, if protons were 0.2% heavier, they would decay into neutrons, destabilizing atoms.

If one assumes that a few hundred million years in stable orbit is necessary for planetary life to evolve, the number of space dimensions is also fixed by our existence. That is because, according to the laws of gravity, it is only in three dimensions that stable elliptical orbits are possible. In any but three dimensions even a small disturbance, such as that produced by the pull of the other planets, would send a planet off its circular orbit, and cause it to spiral either into or away from the sun.

The emergence of the complex structures capable of supporting intelligent observers seems to be very fragile. The laws of nature form a system that is extremely fine-tuned. What can we make of these coincidences? Luck in the precise form and nature of fundamental physical law is a different kind of luck from the luck we find in environmental factors. It raises the natural question of why it is that way.

Many people would like us to use these coincidences as evidence of the work of God. The idea that the universe was designed to accommodate mankind appears in theologies and mythologies dating from thousands of years ago. In Western culture the Old Testament contains the idea of providential design, but the traditional Christian viewpoint was also greatly influenced by Aristotle, who believed "in an intelligent natural world that functions according to some deliberate design."

That is not the answer of modern science. As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.

Our universe seems to be one of many, each with different laws. That multiverse idea is not a notion invented to account for the miracle of fine tuning. It is a consequence predicted by many theories in modern cosmology. If it is true it reduces the strong anthropic principle to the weak one, putting the fine tunings of physical law on the same footing as the environmental factors, for it means that our cosmic habitat—now the entire observable universe—is just one of many.

Each universe has many possible histories and many possible states. Only a very few would allow creatures like us to exist. Although we are puny and insignificant on the scale of the cosmos, this makes us in a sense the lords of creation.

;

to that, I'd respond with 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 - sm

[ In Reply To ..]
re the gospel: "...it is veiled to those that are perishing...in whose case the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving..."

It made me sad - diayag

[ In Reply To ..]
When I saw the headline, I was sad. My faith does not exist or cease to because of Stephen Hawking, and atheists were not convinced by reason one way or the other. But it is always sad when someone loses faith. However it is a truth, not only universally acknowledged (not that a young man of good fortune needs a wife) and I'm not going to bother looking for the citation - Google it - that a man with an argument will not persuade a man with an experience. If you have experienced God in your life, it really doesn't much matter what anyone else says. It is sad that God pursues us as the hound of heaven and we don't even notice.

if you have had an experience, please share. - n/m

[ In Reply To ..]
n/m

Reminds me of what they said about the Titanic - wrkn4pnuts

[ In Reply To ..]
It was a work of man, that was touted as unsinkable.

Not exactly the same analogy, but you get the meaning I'm sure.

My response would be... - Old part-timer

[ In Reply To ..]
Romans 1:22 - Believing themselves wise, they became fools.

So basically, the article states that the perfect - BornAgainMT

[ In Reply To ..]
conditions, all the necessary minerals, chemicals, and gasses, needed to create this planet randomly occurred and combined simultaneously. And that idea is easier to believe than a divine Creator?


Similar Messages:


By Her Account, She Gained About 12 Pounds After Becoming Miss Universe. Sep 27, 2016
sad ...

Obama Does NOT Want To Create New JobsOct 23, 2012
Obama ‘Punting’ on New EPA Rules Until Post-Election A new report from Senate Republicans warns that the Obama administration and the EPA are delaying implementation of painful new regulations until after the election. The report from the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works’ Minority Staff, “A Look Ahead to EPA Regulations for 2013,” points to a “slew of job-killing EPA regulations that the Obama-EPA has put on hold until after the election but will be on the ‘to-d ...

Will The Tax Freeze Create Jobs? Article From Dec 07, 2010
The Wealth Report Robert Frank looks at the lives and culture of the wealthy. December 7, 2010 One of the core arguments for extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich was that the wealthy create jobs. Extending their low rates, conservatives argued, would encourage them to hire. Associated Press President Barack Obama makes statement after meeting with Democratic congressional leaders on a year-end bipartisan agreement to extend expiring tax cuts. I think that extending a ...

Spending $2 Bil To Create 5100 JobsJul 10, 2010
Obama: Let’s spend $2 billion to create 5100 jobs Share301 posted at 11:00 am on July 3, 2010 by Ed Morrissey printer-friendly And I thought Barack Obama’s response to the jobs numbers yesterday was clueless.  Obama proposed spending $800 million to create 5,000 jobs, which would install broadband technology where it hasn’t already expanded because of demand, which will cost $160,000 per job.  Today, Obama has refined his approach in his weekly address, pr ...

GOP Blocks Bill To Create Incentive For Companies ToDec 10, 2010
What does everyone think of this? Haven't seen much about it on this board. * GOP Blocks Bill to remove tax advantages for companies that Move Jobs Abroad and give tax incentives for keeping them here. Political Hotsheet - CBS News September 28, 2010 1:02 PM Posted by Bob Fuss Republicans, with help from a handful of Democrats, used a filibuster to block a measure that would have used the tax code to punish big companies that shut U.S. manufacturing plants and move the jo ...

President Obama Asks Congress To Create US JobsFeb 18, 2012
Bloomberg reports the following: (Now if he just had some help from the Republican House and dead-locked Senate) President Barack Obama urged Congress to enact tax proposals that reward technology companies and other businesses that help create jobs in the U.S. rather than overseas. Boeing Co., whose Everett, Washington, jet factory Obama visited yesterday, has âput thousands of folks to work all over the country,â Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address. âWe want ...

Right-Wing Media Sleuths Try To Create The New Richard JewellApr 17, 2013
Right-Wing Media Sleuths Try To Create The New Richard Jewell Blog ››› April 16, 2013 4:28 PM EDT ››› MATT GERTZ 260 Days after the 1996 Olympic Park bombing, media and federal investigators focused on their top suspect: Richard Jewell, the security guard who had first discovered the bomb which killed one and injured 111. It took more than a year for Jewell to clear his name; he would successfully sue several ou ...

Congressional Testimony. GPS Fusion Paid By Russians To Create Dossier AgainstJul 29, 2017
It would also mean the Russians were working against Trump trying to create chaos and disinformation. Well, it worked. ‘Veselnitskaya hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act.’ Bill Browder said. http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/26/senate-testimony-fusion-gps-helped-corrupt-russians-venezuelans/ ...

Sequester Cuts Give Obama Path To Create Leaner MilitaryMar 11, 2013
From the NY Times regarding targeted smart versus dumb (sequestered-mandated 8% to everything) cuts: "Last week, a group of five former deputy defense secretaries — essentially the Pentagon’s chief operating officers — called for a “bottom up” review that reassesses the need for each major program and weapons system, saying this was an opportunity to accomplish cuts that have long been delayed, after a decade in which the American national security budget has nearl ...

Thanks, I Needed That!!!Apr 25, 2012
That was really funny :0)   ...

It Needed To Be SaidSep 05, 2013
Liar.  Glad someone is not afraid to say it like it is.    http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/09/05/obama-kerry-putin-syria-russia-g-20/2769683/ ...

Prayers NeededMay 10, 2011
I have the worst case of eczema/allergies/whatever that I've ever had.  The rx the doctor gave me only made it worse.  I have another call into her, but in the meantime this has rapidly increased, has developed tiny little blisters and itches like heck.   Please pray for healing. If any of you have any home remedies, I'd appreciate them.  I've about given up on traditional medicine. ...

There Are Days Where This Is Needed.Jun 25, 2012
"The patient has IV alcohol use." IV = heavy ...

Prayers Needed Jun 27, 2012
I am having very bad GERD symptoms again.  This has been going on for a long time, and I take medications periodically which seemed to really help.   I am having symptoms of food sticking in the throat (occasionally), and burning.    I have an appointment next Tuesday with my primary care physician.  Knowing the possibilities is scaring me to death.   I am fearful of the test, and also of hearing the results afterwards.   Your prayers are gr ...

Some Much Needed Levity (sm)Aug 15, 2012
If guns kill people, how does anyone get out of a gun show alive? ...

Advice Needed, Please!!!Jun 19, 2013
My daughter (I'll call her Jane) is entering the 3rd grade.  We moved here at the beginning of the last school year and one of the first girls that she got to know (I'll call her Sue) seemed okay to me at first.  Sue invited Jane over to her house almost right away.  I was happy she was already making new friends, so I said sure.  I got her over there and the house was in pretty bad disrepair, there were animals everywhere, and it smelled, but I talked to both ...

Prayers NeededOct 22, 2014
Hello all.  I need all the prayers I can get.  I know there are those with worse situations than myself but for me my situation is getting unbearable.  I am an MT trying to help make ends meet with almost no work lately.  My husband makes the bulk of the money but the money I do make helps to fill in the gaps where his paycheck isn't enough.   I just need prayer for direction and for God to open a door for us to get out of this vicious cycle of barely having enough ...

Nothing Else Was Needed To Be Add To This InformationOct 23, 2016
Newly released emails from Wikileaks show Hillary Clinton staffers debating how they can best use the death of a black man to further their agenda. The email began as a request for an essay by Clinton from Marie Claire who was partnering with Harvard University on a study about women and guns but it quickly devolved into brainstorming ideas on how to push the campaign’s anti-gun and racial narratives. The team began discussing an article published in “The Guardian&r ...

My New Career: Your Input Needed!Jan 18, 2012
I need to find something else.  Perhaps you can chime in here with some ideas and help me as well as others! I am VERY detail oriented and have excellent command of English.  I love animals.  I enjoy puzzles and just about anything that is thought-provoking.  I prefer dealing with things rather than the public but can deal with interacting with a handful of coworkers.  I don't want to sell because I'm not a liar and am not fake.  Generally speaking, ...

More Recipies Needed With No Sugar SmDec 21, 2011
Cooking buffet for 11 but the Moms don't want kids high on sugar. Also, adults have nut allergies, salt restriction, dairy restriction and one on a blood thinner. So hard to have something for everyone. Plan on ham, potatoes, chicken salad, perhaps party pizza, some pastry, usual snacking and soft drinks - no soda allowed. Help me! LOL, Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah, Everyone. ...

Prayers Needed - See MessageNov 28, 2009
I feel weird asking for prayers from strangers, but I could really use some strength now. We got behind on bills due to not enough income and now as a last resort we are facing bankruptcy.  We got behind a bit on the mortgage when trying to keep all of the payments up but now after a year we still have been trying to get a loan modification to get caught up.  I am so scared of losing our home. These things scare me so much but what I am afraid of most is my husband.  He was diag ...

More Funeral Opinions NeededJan 06, 2010
Recently involved in funeral choices for older couple who did not keep in touch with first marriage children. I almost insisted children's names be placed at least in the obitand notified a few to ask them to get in touch with siblings as we did not know where they were. Widow took out children's cities, states, etc. residence. Some children showed up; some did not. I did the best I could because I felt it was imperative these kids know their parent passed. Widow made announcement ...

Hamburger Recipes Needed!!May 21, 2010
I hope you guys can help.  We raise cattle and just sent one to butcher.  It was a smaller one so we had all of it made into hamburger.  That makes 78 packages at 2 pounds a package.  That is a lot of hamburger!!  Anyway, I am needing some good recipes for using hamburger as we can only eat so much meatloaf LOL    Thanks!!!! ...

Wise Words Never More Needed Than NowJul 18, 2012
I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. (Colossians 2:4). Do you listen in on God's council? Do you limit wisdom to yourself? (Job 15:8). For all that is in the world--the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions--is not from the Father but is from the world (1 John 2:16). For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice (James 3:16). Eloquent words are not fitting for a fool; ev ...

Opinions Needed (not MT Related)Sep 28, 2012
I feel like I am living in the the Twilight Zone here and am super stressed out and just wondering what other people think. We have been battling with the school over nursing services. The school decided to cut one of the nurse positions and now cannot cover everything that they need to cover. My friend and I both have children with type 1 diabetes. They are too young to handle it on their own. We live in a state that has a nurse practice act that says that only an RN can adminiser insulin at sc ...

Interns Needed For Spying. Jun 08, 2013
I bet they have good benefits. Link ...

Prayer Needed For So Many ThingsApr 03, 2014
Please pray for my son as he goes through basic combat training for the Army - this is a real culture shock for him.  I would appreciate your prayers for more income for myself. I'm absolutely destitute as an MT anymore and can't seem to find any other work. ...

Prayers Needed For My 15yo MR SonSep 11, 2014
I divorced my kids' "dad" in 2006.  He has done nothing but cause major problems (DD was suicidal and we were all on meds for depression and anxiety) and I was told in this state (OK) once he turned a certain age, he does not have to go to his dad's anymore.  I would be SOOOO happy if that were true and he does not have to go there anymore.  DD is now 18 so she does not have to, but felt like she had to be polite to him because he has a tendency to fly off the handle at ...

Prayers Needed For Best FriendApr 28, 2015
I am sitting here trying to work between crying.  My best friend called me last night to inform me that her liver disease is no longer responding to the meds she has been on.  They are going to run a set of tests to see if there is another medication that will help her.  She has never been a drinker or a smoker.  I am closer to this woman than my own sisters.  She has gotten me through many hard times.  She knows me better than I know myself.  I can't ima ...

Oblunder Is Needed In Africa. Jul 25, 2015
  ‘Big ugly mess’: South Sudan, nation created with help of US aid, spirals into violence http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/24/big-ugly-mess-south-sudan-nation-created-with-help-us-aid-spirals-into-violence/ ‘Big ugly mess’: South Sudan, nation created with help of US aid, spirals into violence http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/24/big-ugly-mess-south-sudan-nation-created-with-help-us-aid-spirals-into-violence/   ...