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Posted: Apr 21, 2010

I was wondering exactly what kind of "faith" board this is. The poster, Catherine, in the Jesus is Coming thread felt this was the "wrong forum" for posting one's religious beliefs while another posterior in that thread says that this "faith" board is meant to be all inclusive meaning persons of all faiths can post their beliefs here.

I guess I wrongly assumed that the use of the word "faith" meant Christianity as it is my belief that Christianity is the only valid belief system worshiping the one and only true God. I happen to agree with the Jesus is Coming poster in that we are living in the end times; we are living in those days that lead up to the Tribulation.

I guess in these politically correct times, the administrators of websites such as this with boards specifically dedicated to "faith" feel compelled to include all religions and faiths. It may be politically incorrect in this world to say there is but one true path to God and that path is by way of Jesus Christ, but the opinions of this world do not matter to me. I would like to offer a word of encouragment to the poster of Jesus is Coming and to all my brothers and sisters in Christ. We are commissioned by Jesus to spread the truth. We are told by the apostle Paul that we will be speaking the truth to a world deceived, a world ready to believe in anything but the truth. The path of truth is not the easy path, but the rewards are great. We will be persecuted, but we must remember to rejoice in that persecution.

2 Corinthians 12:10

That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Yes! Jesus is coming and soon and God bless you for posting it. On the day of judgment, I hope to stand shoulder to shoulder with you!

2 Timothy 4:7-8

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

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Elitism? - Not a Christian

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Faith does not "belong" to one belief system any more than another.

Personally, I ran from Christianity when it started becoming synonymous with elitism, putting others down for not believing the same thing, and oftentimes bordering on ignorance.

This may not apply to you, except you DID state that faith meant Christian, which is just absurd.

I don't believe in Jesus other than as a man who once lived and spread kindness and love and now he's dead. But if he DOES make a return, I personally think he'd be appalled to see how his belief system has been bastardized.

I am a Christian - mt

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and your post made me cringe. You are part of the reason that Christians as a whole get a bad rep.

And it is precisely your watered down, politically correct Christianity - BornAgainMT

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that has and will deceive many. You tell people what they want to hear. You are a purveyor of false doctrine. There IS only one true God. There IS only one path to God and that IS through Jesus Christ. If you claim to be a Christian, but believe anything less, you are DECEIVED, you are a FRAUD!

And YOU give Christians a bad rep!

WOW, now THAT's the way to win others to Christ YIKES! - deg

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shame on you !

I believe as you do - yet I would never

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witness to others with the same approach as you have chosen to do here with me.

I was simply implying, as did another poster, that the faith board is not strictly for use by Christians.

There are plenty of other online forums dedicated strictly to fundamentalist Christians as you appear to be.

You sound like a very angry Christian! - Agnostic

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Every single person on this earth is entitled to their own beliefs, and you have no right to force your beliefs on anyone. It must be very painful to live with such hate in your heart!

I do not have hate in my heart, but pity for those who are deceived. - BornAgainMT

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You are right that I am angry, but it is a righteous anger. When a person posts their beliefs on the "faith" board and they happen to be Christian beliefs, they told this isn't the correct forum for "spouting" their beliefs. Even worse, "fellow Christians" say "I agree somewhat..."

I'm angry that Christian values are ridiculed and called naive. I'm angry that the political shift to the left has gone as far as to tell Christians to shut up. Calling us angry because we do not have the "power" we once had. You fail to realize that it is not about power for Chritians, it's about morality, it is about the fate of this world, and the fate of the souls around us. We get angry when we see people willfully deceived. We get angry when we witness the deception.

It doesn't matter whether you like me or not. God's word will not change and I will proclaim His truth and truth will find the hearts of those ready to listen.

I feel pity for you for being deceived to the degree - that you are.

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Well, m'dear, there's a difference between expressing one's beliefs and-- - SM

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beating others over the head with them, demanding that they follow them or berating them for being foolish by not agreeing with you. A very big difference.

It's the "my way or the highway" stance that you and some others take that is truly offensive, and I honestly believe it would offend Jesus, as well.

Pardon me, but wasn't your first post saying - exactly that?

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"My way or the highway," in so many words? Your religion is the only way? Talk about offending Jesus. What is the difference? Both are "expressing one's beliefs," as you put it, no?

I'm not trying to beat anything over anyone's head; I think you've pretty much got that covered.

My first post? I'm not even in the thread above this. - NM Try again.

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nm

Be that as it may, the message still applies, - sm

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as far as "expressing one's beliefs," even if you weren't the poster I was referring to up above. Seemed like you were defending that post, or something along those lines, because what YOU said didn't exactly apply to MY post (about the OP being deceived), hence my mistake. Forgive me?

Jesus died for His way or the highway! I believe - BornAgainMT

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He would be offended by your wishy washy, "I'm okay, you're okay" attitude towards salvation.

I am not "demanding" anyone follow my beliefs. I am letting them know that the way of Jesus Christ is the only way. It's not my way, but His way or the hellway.

My definion of hell would be a place populated by folks with your mindset. - NM

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nm

I have a feeling that one day you will find out what hell is truly like! - BornAgainMT

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I will pray for you.

sounds like someone missed a few classes at - Sunday school

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be careful throwing around the name of the Son. Have some respect.

Respect for whom? JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD! - BornAgainMT

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How is that "throwing" anything around. It is the truth and I will proclaim it whenever and wherever I can! Deal with it!

respect - sunday school

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Contrary to your sorry post, Jesus did not die for "His way or the highway".

According to christian dotrine, He died for our sins.

Thus arises my suggestion to have some respect and not throw the name of Christ around like it is your personal battering ram.

Your take on Christian doctrine is both alarming and judgmental.

Love thy neighbor. If you can't do that, you need to take a giant step back and do some soul searching.

Respect and love.... - nnn

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are wonderful things that we need to show and have for each other but the fact remains, there is going to be no respect from Christ for sinners who refuse to repent. Read Revelations in your Bible if you don't like to hear it from Christians. God is love but He will have the final say and not all of us are going to be saved if we refuse to do as He asks. It's a Christian's duty to spread the word so that as many as possible will be saved. So many seem to think that, because God is love, He will turn a blind eye to their refusal to repent and save them anyway. That's not how it's going to work and a Christian is supposed to be passionate about that duty, not lukewarm. Some Christians come across a little strong but there's nothing wrong with that. Hell is going to be harsh so apparently God means business tendered with some love. ;)

sorry, but there is plenty wrong... - sunday school

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with a "Christian" stating that Jesus died for "His way or the highway".

These are the words of a white jihadist, and nothing to embrace or defend.

I see nothing wrong in that statement... - nnn

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In the end, it will be His way whether you want to believe so or not. Jesus died to save us from our sins...or not. The choice is up to us but it will be HIS way, no ifs, ands or buts.

Did you just call me a white jihadist? LOL! - BornAgainMT

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Talk about inflammatory. You call me self-righteous and judgmental and then you throw something like that at me. This is the hypocrisy of so-called "religious tolerance."

We're supposed to have respect and tolerance for all belief systems and religion and yet when I express my beliefs, I'm a "white jihadist?" Sounds pretty intolerant to me.

did you misinterpret scripture to advance fundamentalist dogma? - sunday school

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Jesus died for our sins.

Jesus did not die for "his way or the highway".

"His way" refers to Jesus as the only way to God. - BornAgainMT

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In other words, believing that Jesus is the Son of God sent to die for our sins so that we are redeemed in the eyes of the Lord is the ONLY way to achieving a relationship with God.

Jesus Himself said:

Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." John 15:5-7

Jesus is the way, the only way. If you don't accept His way, then you will not ever know the Father and He will not know you. Simplified - It is Jesus' way or the highway. -- Get it?

That is what I meant. You may not like how I simplified it, but when in Rome...

Title of your post: "Jesus died for His way or the highway!" - sunday school

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I disagree. Any religious scholar would disagree. Please stop trying to prove something.

Correct, that was the title of my post. What exactly do you believe? - BornAgainMT

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I've made my beliefs pretty clear. So instead of simply telling me I'm wrong, how about telling me WHY you think I'm wrong? Give me some educated responses besides "I disagree and bible scholars would disgree." Who are you bible scholar sources?

Sheesh!

1 Corinthians 13:1 - NM

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nm

I understand you completely... - nnn

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Many will be deceived, even the very elect. Right will be wrong and wrong will be right. We see that now as evidenced with homosexuality. We are told not to be "lukewarm" and so many that profess to be Christian don't even come close to being lukewarm. They are as cold as they can get when it comes to spreading the true message. Even our president has no belief in the true God. At least Bush proclaimed himself to be a believer in Jesus Christ, whether he actually was or not. When we stand up for the truth we are expected to get knocked down for it but our reward will be great. Keep the faith. I know it's not easy in these end times. :)

You are not qualified - to judge

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Our president does not believe in the true God? What arrogance to assume that you are the arbiter of faith.

Being a "Christian" does not justify judgmentalism.

Who's judging... - nnn

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If you believe that this country is no longer a "Christian" country and all religions should be respected which was exactly what our president said, then you have to believe in the concept of many God's and not one true God. Judging him has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. I was stating a mere fact. You can have "faith" without being a Christian. An atheist can have faith.

um, you - ?qualified

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I disagree with your presmise that respecting all religions means believing in many gods.

You make a bold statement when you say that an individual does not believe in the true God.

In the kindest way, I suggest that it's not for you to adjudicate the contents of another person's heart.

It's not the contents of ones' heart... - nnn

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it's the content of their speech. That's a big difference there. ;)

Thank NNN, finally someone to stand with me! - BornAgainMT

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Praise God!

No...I don't believe that for one second..sm - nnn

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Christians get a bad rap for 3 reasons.

1. It is prophecied. Christians will be persecuted.

2. Christians speak the truth of the Bible and those who choose to justify their sins and/or disbelief do not want to hear that they are wrong, even if according to the Bible, God's word.

3. Christians are viewed by the world as "people who think they are perfect and do no wrong." This couldn't be further from the truth, but it is still how Christians are perceived.

The last two reasons are the reason for the first.

Seems to me that for the past 1800 years or so it has been the Xians - doing the persecuting. NM

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nm

Read your Bible...sm - nnn

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and try to understand. Any persecution done by Christians was by command of God. God destroyed lots of people for various reasons. He made us...He can take us out. Today the persecution is done by those who despise God. Different scenario altogether.

Um, hello, the bible doesn't address the past 2 millennia. - Are you freakin kiddin me NM

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nm

Um, hello.... - nnn

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there are prophecies in the Bible that are already coming to pass. The Bible addresses the future, so I think that includes the past 2 millenia.

Those prophecies are so vague that almost anything could be deemed to have fulfilled them. - I predict it will rain soon. LOL NM

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nm

And it is written...sm - nnn

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in the last days there will be scoffers such as yourself. I'll pray for you.

your remark is truly - frightening

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"Any persecution done by Christians was by command of God"?!

I don't believe that God is a vigilante.

People destroy other people. Lunatics use God as the reason.

And your remark is truly naive...sm - nnn

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God destroys that which he made and he will again someday. Keep living in your dream world. Someday you will come to a rude awakening that is even more frightening.

you display hubris - and a shocking tone

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I do not live in a dream world.

How dare you presume that I, or anyone else, will come to a rude and frightening awakening.

You don't know who I am.

Far from hubris... - nnn

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those are just the facts that anybody can see for themselves when they pick up the Bible and read it. You are naive if you think God is so loving, he is going to save us all, even those of us who deny him and continue to live in sin. I don't know you but you still appear very naive, or at least very uninformed and I stand by that. Read Revelations. There will be those who will not be saved, those who refuse to repent or believe. That is a fact.

no really, it's hubris.....sm - : )

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You indicated that I live in a "dream world" and threatened that I will "come to a rude awakening".

I reaffirm: You do not know who I am.

I don't have to "know" you... - nnn

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your statements speak volumes.

Nor I you - thank goodness

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I think you might not be a nice person, and I decline to joust further.

Maybe you are a very nice person but your thinking skills are poor.

Either way, you win.

No...God wins all the time...nm :) - nnn

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Please look up the definition of the word faith! - Sheesh

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This is the "Faith" board, not the "Christianity" board. I find your post mind boggling!

So when do we get a "lack of faith" or "atheist" board? nm - deb

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What a strange question ...sm - deg

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If you have "NO faith", are athiest and belive in NO God, then what would you have to discuss on a board?

I think most who have come to this FAITH board in the past have welcomed people of ALL faith for friendly adult conversation. I have seen many sincere questions asked and answered here. Isn't that the point of this board?

I would agree... - nnn

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that there are many "faiths," i.e., religions; however, the majority of these "faiths" all believe in the one true God. The differences are in how the Bible is interpreted by each religion. Some of it may be difficult to understand but there are those parts that a 5-year old could understand and should be understood by all. It is the denial of those parts that causes strong debate. ;)

Wow, yeah, let's go back to the Dark Ages ... NOT. - NM

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Versus the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah we currently live in? - BornAgainMT

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Give me the dark ages! I would much rather live in a moral world governed by a righteous and just God, than in this cesspool. Oh but the rapture is near...Praise God!

But your god is petulant, nasty, and vindictive. Mine is loving and welcoming. - NM

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Our God is loving, so loving in fact that He gave us His son - BornAgainMT

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to bridge the gap created by mankind's sin that separates us all from a personal relationship with The Father. He has loving given us this gift and we only need to accept it.

If you refuse, you refuse, but there are consequences to your refusal. The consequences are nasty, but God is not vindictive. He has given you all the information you need to make your decision. His word tells us what to expect if we reject His gift. His word tells us that Jesus is His flesh, His Son sent as a lamb to suffer and die for our sins. Even Jesus was aware of who He was. Jesus said "He was the way." Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation and eternal life forever in worship and fellowship with God.

His word tells us if we refuse to accept truth, we refuse to accept the gift of Jesus Christ, we will suffer for our own sins.

I don't know your religious affiliation, but this is Christianity 101.

Too bad you'll be left behind because you thought you - were so perfect

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Its self-righteous people who toot their own horn and claim to be so special and holy that are going to be in for a big shock when the rapture takes those they sneered at and leave them behind to ponder why. Pharasee!

When did I "toot" my horn? When did I claim to be perfect? - BornAgainMT

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Never! I am flawed, as are we all. I am not worthy of God's grace and love, yet He freely offers it. I am not worthy of forgiveness and definitely not worthy of such a gift as the blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. And yet He offers it to me and to all.

I am humbled in the presence of the Lord. I accept the gift though I don't deserve it. I sometimes even question that God could forgive a sinner such that I am. But He does. It's that simple. Human nature is to complicate. Human nature is to question. We have to surrender our human nature to God. That's why you argue with me and ridicule me. You haven't surrendered your human nature over to God.

You started this thread - read your first post - the highway

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You belong to the ONLY religion, your way or the highway, the rapture is taking YOU because you are so special and so saved and so whatever you claim to be.

Now you claim to be humble? A little late for that after all your other posts. Good thing God loves you...everyone else has a differing opinion.

Don't tell me what MY relationship with God is. You know a thing about it, unless God has given you psychic powers too because you're so special. Get over yourself.

Once again, it is not "MY" way or the highway. It is God's way... - BornAgainMT

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I am humbled before God, NOT you.

I state facts and the facts that have gleaned from your posts is that you advocate there is more than one path to God. You took offense on my statement that there is only one true path and one true God. That tells me that you feel there is more than one way to find salvation which is a FALSE DOCTRINE.

That is a fact! You cannot claim to be Christian and tell everyone that whatever they decide to worship is okay. It doesn't work that way.

I don't need psychic powers to know that you are deceived and as such cannot possibly know God.

Facts? Then where does the faith come in? - sm

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If religion were solely based on facts, then why would we need faith? Facts can be proven; most religious ideas, like the existence of heaven or how to get there, canNOT. Might want to check your facts, there.

You and I are on two different pages here. The facts to which I am referring - BornAgainMT

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are the facts about you that I have gotten from your posts. NOT facts about my religion, your religion, etc. The point I am making is that by your own posts, you seem to be not only tolerant of other religious paths, but accepting of them -- you have an all inclusive view of God.

Now, if you want to debate facts versus faith we can do that. Fact - the Bible is a collection of ancient writings of spiritual men. Faith -- the words written by spiritual men was in fact God breathed and divinely inspired.

Fact -- there was a man know as Jesus who was a great teacher and prophet. Fact -- Jesus was crucified. Fact -- Jesus was buried in a tomb and His body disappeared.

Faith -- Jesus was the Son of God sent to cleanse us of our sins. Faith -- His crucification was preordained by God. Faith -- He rose from the dead on the third day and His spirit remains with us today.

Now, here's where it gets confusing for some. Faith is synonymous with fact for most Christians.

But again, let me reiterate that my original comment that contained the word "fact" had to do with the facts about you personally, not religion.

Fact/faith - wrong poster

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I posted the "where does the faith come in" post, but not the poster you were replying to when you said "I state facts..."

Regardless of which poster you are, my post above - BornAgainMT

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serves as an answer to your question as well.

Side note, confusion about who is saying what in a lively debate like this one is a very good reason why people should choose a moniker and use every time they post!

OR don't get offended when someone mistakes you for another poster in the same thread.

You consider His way or the highway a lively debate? - That is a fact, Jack!

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There is no debating with you. Anyone who does not agree with you is being "deceived." Unfortunately, it seems like you are the one who has truly been deceived.

Just looked over my post above yours, and - I could not

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find where I said I was offended, or even implied it...merely letting you know I wasn't the person whose buttons you pushed above :) My bad.

I apologize. With so many posts, it's hard to keep track. - BornAGainMT

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You are not qualified to judge who is deceived - the highway

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You think you are qualified to tell me I cannot know God? How, exactly? Did God sit down beside you and say "Nope, never met her!" What's next, is God going to tell you to run for president or declare yourself Queen?

Your arrogance is disgusting and astounding. Are you saying Buddhists cannot know God or achieve salvation? Or whoever doesn't sit next to YOU in YOUR church cannot know God? You don't OWN God, or all the paths to God. And you're sick in the head if you think so.

And I hope to be standing next to you... - nnn

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as I agree with every single word you typed and believe exactly the same :)

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about who wrote Obamacaresux and why doesn't Bozo know what's in it? Check out Robert Creamer and the Apollo Alliance. Do your own research. ...

Oct 11, 2013
THIS BURNS ME UP. NOBODY NOTICED UNTIL NOW. ALTHOUGH A LOT OF US CAUGHT IT AND WERE LAUGHED AT AS CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, HERE IT IS IN HIS OWN WORDS. DO NOT ADD A SINGLE WORD ! READ "AS IT IS QUOTED"! Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening. The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised "Meet The Press'. From Sunday's 07 Sept.2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance ...

Oct 14, 2013
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Oct 14, 2013
Wow! This post needs to be renamed Henny Penny. ...

Nov 21, 2013
You tube videos anymore. I just tried posting another one entitled, "7 lies in under 2 minutes". Keeps telling me there is no http://. There is, so.... Anyway, if you're interested, I know you're not, but if so, just google the following: 1. Obama promising to bring troops home from Afghanistan, and 2. 7 lies in under 2 minutes. You'll find his mug right there. ...

Feb 27, 2015
Just wondering how your little Chihuahua furry friend has been doing? Been thinking about him. ...

Feb 24, 2012
God giving us too much to handle. I took my ex to court to get more child support. I found out today he is going to (supposed to) pay over double what I was getting. this will help sooo much!!! Not sure what will happen if he does not pay, but the papers said something about contempt. ...

Oct 20, 2009
Are there any names you refused to name your child because you knew someone named that and you couldn't stand the person? The worst child I have ever met was named Adam. When I was pregnant, I crossed that name off my list immediately! ...

Sep 23, 2016
"Trump used $258K from charity to settle legal woes." More of the article available on request. The man is a sleaze of unmatched proportions. ...

Nov 10, 2009
Firstly, I am *not* opposed to a GOP plan - and to be fair I don't have enough details about what it would and would not do (which I plan to remedy). I read the following post to get more information, but much of it is opinion - or vague -and did not explain how it is better than the current bill(s) under consideration. Let me be specific: OP: This is what I like about the GOP plan:Instead of govt insurance it reforms the system. 1. How is the "Pelosi's ...