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Posted: Apr 20, 2010

To young voters, socialism isn’t a bad word

By Jesse Singal April 20, 2010

TIM ROESCH, a 46-year-old tea party supporter at last Wednesday’s rally on the Common, was not happy with a group of nearby college students.

   
 

“You should get a group picture and send it to your parents,’’ he grumbled at them. He was displeased with the signs they held, which he found offensive; one referred to folks like him with a derogatory sexual term. He blamed the youthful flippancy on a lack of critical thinking and genuine knowledge as to how the world works. “They don’t understand what socialism means. They don’t understand what democracy means.’’

But it’s not that the youngest voters don’t know what socialism means. It’s that most aren’t scared of it — and find it bizarre that, decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall, a political movement would center itself around opposition to it. The fact that both the tea party and the Republican Party have made vociferous opposition to “socialist’’ policies a key part of their rhetoric helps explain the tepid response among young adults.

Republican strategists see short-term advantages in the tea party movement’s passion. But if conservatives can’t wean themselves off of Cold-War-era rhetoric, they risk alienating an entire generation of young people. The tea party is well on its way to doing just that. A recent New York Times/CBS News survey found that three-quarters of the movement’s supporters were older than 45.

Behind the main crowd at the Boston Common rally, counter-protesters and protesters mixed and argued amidst a carnival-like atmosphere that included costumed provocateurs and what felt like every fringe group in the state handing out pamphlets. But younger attendees expressed skepticism about the tea party message.

Naveed Easton, a 19-year-old Emerson student, said he thought the group was out of touch. “You can notice the shift in society over the past 30 years,’’ he said. “It’s just getting more and more open-minded, and some people are just very resistant to a progressive society. Especially when it comes to, like, ‘Oh, that’s a socialist program!’ ’’

And if the health care reform bill actually were socialist? He shrugged off that concern. “Socialism itself isn’t terrible,’’ he said, unless it involves the abrogation of individual rights.

Easton is just one college student, of course — a liberal one in a liberal town. But his views are far from radical among his peers. A year ago a Rasmussen Reports poll found that Americans under 30 are essentially equally divided on whether socialism or capitalism is a superior economic system.

This may shock those who lived through the Cold War, but there’s nothing irrational about it. Young people grew up in a post-Soviet world. When they hear “socialism,’’ they think Scandinavia, not Russia. They’re much more likely to be struggling with student-loan or credit-card bills than to have been affected one iota by the sort of government overreach that can be credibly tied to socialism.

Conservatives can continue beating the dead horse of socialism. But if they want to finally build a youthful infrastructure they should heed the lesson of Wednesday’s rally. The graying tea party throng cheered wildly when Sarah Palin took the stage; the younger spectators stood around the edges of the crowd — looking unimpressed.

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Tea party attendees - nm

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nm

Actually was referring to teabagger definition #6 - at

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urbandictionary.com

Can I reference you using the urban dictionary and pick - a definition #? No offense of course...

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hmmm, wouldn't that make you the same definition as the - poster?
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Your post doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does doll....you just have to be "sharp" enough - NM
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I'll have to work up a point on my head so I can be like - you
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Okay, explain then.
k - nm
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Be careful.....your true colors are coming through - NM

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Let em shine! - :)
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Dontcha know they can always use vulgarity....and find an - excuse for it.....NM

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Heard it referrence the other night on TV in an actual sentence - Truly disgusting - nm

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Teabagger is an Oxford word of the year finalist. - Tea Hee

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A teabagger by any other name is still the same!

Yup - and it also states - sm

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Their definition doesnât touch upon any of the raunchier, more testicular connotations of the word, which Keith Olbermann and Anderson Cooper had a lot of fun with in April. Cooper can take a lot of credit for the popularization of the phrase: in response to David Gergenâs questions about the Republican Partyâs abilities to organize and articulate a message, Cooper infamously quipped, âItâs hard to talk when youâre teabagging.ââ

And the guy talking about teabagging - was quite descriptive and made me gag, especially since he was quite dirty and unkempt.

Yeah, well, when I was young, I was also ignorant - regarding politics.nm

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Don't judge everyone by - yourself

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You may still be ignorant about politics in someone else's eyes.

Youth does NOT equal ignorance.

Nah, I know wisdom comes with age, or maybe - once you actually pay taxes!.nm

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nm
Wow, you have a narrow world - tsk tsk tsk
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oh tsk tsk your little self. Reality may hit you some day - -or maybe not.nm
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Your reality? Well, it hits me every time I see your - posts
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And it's sad; funny sometimes too, but mostly just sad.

These students show wisdom beyond their years. (sm) - Nikki

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I just they come out to vote again with the same enthusiasm as they did the last time because their votes are needed.

I think that as long as the Tea Party continues...sm - nosa

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to be active and provide fodder for the law and political science professors the college students will remain attentive and, if anything, their numbers will grow.

Actually, the TEA Party is growing daily. I realize - NM

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they are quite the threat the dems.
Of the 18 percent of the general population who identify with the tpots, only - only 4 percent contribute bucks.
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Impressive. They pose a threat to nobody, at least not in this lifetime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html
Careful. You have no idea of the future. CHANGE is coming.nm - smile
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And from the welfare state how many of them contribute - bucks? got a pie chart?
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They are splintering the GOP, not the dems. - Hello. That benefits the dems.
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Lose your thinking cap? Better rework that threat thingy.
LOL! Sorry, NOTHING benefiting dems right now - Especially Obama... ugh.nm
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They should stay home. People should be required - to take a test before voting... you

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ever watched interviews from the streets of YOUNG Obama voters? Sorry, the sad truth is most are clueless and have little idea why they voted for him. Many dont even know the name of the VP, and many still think that his HCR bill means FREE healthcare. Its ridiculous.

Truth is...Obama and the dem party like 'em like that... - blind followers with no sense....nm

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You think that college students are blind followers with no sense? - Doubt it. nm
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Yes, I used to be one of them. they are gullible.nm - Wiser
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You should have gone to some other college. - Whatsamatta U?
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Sure, many are....they aren't paying their way.... - sm
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They haven't worked hard for a paycheck only to see it dwindle away to their thug government. When they do, they will wake up and sing a different song then. They'll actually be seeing it first hand and not be taught by liberal instructors who have their own hate agendas pushed off on these students.

Totally agree. Remember who the bogey-man - was when we were

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Communists! Still see the word "Commie" thrown around here without much discretion-only used to try and invoke fear. Well, these young people clearly are smart enough to understand the purpose of it, and understand that Socialism is not a dirty word-just another way of doing things. Capitalism has reached such an extreme in this country that the majority are falling through the cracks in society in a variety of ways. I hope these kids keep it up and keep their far more rational mindset and show up at the poles.

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