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drives them nuts
Posted: Mar 23, 2011
This is what drives the Democrats in my state absolutely nuts. Tax credits for business will make their head spin.
But, here's how it works in very, very simple terms, since I'm certainly not an economist (and I want to go to bed early tonight) :-)
Here's how it works:
-company gets tax break/incententive to invest in the area
-company uses money to expand/build/hire employees
-employees become tax payers - off unemployment, food stamps, or other gov't assistance (who doesn't win with that!) - they buy lots of stuff from other local businesses - most importantly, they have hope for the future
The final result is this:
-employees are happy because they are working and taking care of their families without gov't help
-employers are happy because they make money
Come on, what's not to love about that?
Here are a few examples here in my state:
Aided by a $1.1 million state tax credit, auto supplier Key Plastics LLC is planning a $10.3 million investment that will relocate products from an Indiana plant to Howell and also send some work to a plant in west Michigan's Cascade Township, creating 297 total jobs, the state said today.
The project, one of 10 approved Tuesday by the board of the Michigan Economic Growth Authority. The companies estimate the projects will generate up to $602 million in new private investment, adding a projected 1,911 direct jobs.
To support the project, the Howell City Council has approved a personal-property tax abatement valued at about $303,000.
Other Southeast Michigan projects to receive tax breaks from the MEGA board included:
• Plans by Auburn Hills-based Dialogue Marketing Inc. to add 230 jobs as part of a $5 million expansion of its call center operations.
The expansion, which would be at the company's Troy location, includes technology development, custom software development and support services for the company's retail, health insurance and business services clients, according to a MEGA board briefing memo.
The company was awarded a $474,012 tax credit.
• The arrival in Michigan of Florida-based Health Business Solutions LLC, a consulting firm that works with the health care industry to resolve denied claims and improve performance.
The company plans to hire 206 people and open a $2.6 million center in Dearborn where employees will work with health care providers to resolve denied claims portfolios and recommend processes to reduce the number such claims in the future, state documents said.
The MEGA board approved an $816,218 tax credit for the firm, and the city of Dearborn expects to approve an estimated $50,000 in tax abatements to support the project.
• A $6.1 million investment by Lakeside Software Inc. to expand software development operations at its headquarters in Bloomfield Hills and also locate operations in downtown Ann Arbor, creating a total of 198 jobs.
Local assistance includes a commitment from Oakland County for jobs training assistance valued at $1.9 million, payment of the $1,000 MEGA application fee by Ann Arbor Spark, one-year bus passes provided by the Ann Arbor Downtown District Authority and a three-year membership in Automation Alley.
Lakeside was awarded a $731,244 state tax credit.
• A $4.6 million investment by Detroit Heavy Truck Engineering LLC to expand at its Novi location, creating 49 jobs. The company is involved in the design, engineering and support of heavy equipment for the mining industry, including trucks and shovels.
The company's expansion reflects several new contracts, according to a MEGA board briefing memo. The board approved a $234,152 tax credit. The city of Novi paid Detroit Heavy Truck's $1,000 MEGA application fee.
• A $280 million investment by steel maker Severstal Dearborn Inc. for a new high-speed line to heat and cool steel strips. The project is expected to create 70 jobs and was awarded a $10 million brownfield tax credit. In addition, the MEGA board approved a plan to capture $97.3 million in local and school taxes to support the project's brownfield redevelopment activities, including demolition and site preparation.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20110315/FREE/110319960/key-plastics-10-3-million-project-is-among-proposals-receiving-mega-tax-breaks#
Reality is a bit different - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Company receives tax credits.
Company invests in new equipment which does the work faster and better and replaces some of the employers they already have.
It's not working.
Right there were 5 examples of it working! - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]It does work and just because there are some greedy companies who take that tax break and buy a vacation home doesn't mean everyone should be punished with higher taxes. That's what doesn't work.
If everyone paid their own share, nobody would be punished - Fairness is all I want
[ In Reply To ..]Yes, if I had access to expensive tax accountants I would still pay my fair share. That's all I want corporations to do. Instead, few if any do, and some scream, "Leave us alone or we'll grab our stuff and LEAVE! We'll go offshore. You'll be sorry."
Prove it or Payback - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]Tax credits in moderation are fine...if the jobs were not created then they must pay it back with interest and penalties.
Read in the local paper today..a developer who just received approval for $5 million to renovate some dirt old building less than a week ago...just bought a $1.2 million mansion today. So glad my tax dollars helped him free up funds to live so luxuriously. Splendid.
The REAL problem in this country - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]Two years into the Great Recession, the United States doesn't seem to be doing much better. The majority of Americans are pessimistic about the economy. Housing sales are down. Those who have been unemployed for 99 weeks or more, 99ers, are pushing for Congress to approve further unemployment extension benefits, as the unemployment rate lingers at 9.6 percent. There is one person, however, who isn't suffering from the effects of the Great Recession: the CEO.
CEO salaries are still running at double the 1990s CEO pay average after inflation adjustment according to the 17th annual executive compensation survey, CEO Pay and the Great Recession by the Institute for Policy Studies. At a time when many laid off Americans are hurting financially, CEOs are reaping the rewards of handing out mass pink slips. Layoffs pay off for CEOs, with the money in saved wages further padding their plump paychecks. CEOs at 50 companies -- "layoff leaders" in the study -- that laid off the most employees took home an average pay of almost $12 million in 2009, 42 percent more than the average CEO pay.
Most firms -- 72 percent -- announced mass layoffs during periods of profit, reflecting a growing trend in corporate America: tightening the workforce to increase profit and maintain high CEO salaries.
Even CEOs who lost their jobs, like Fred Hassan of Schering-Plough, the highest paid layoff leader, received a $33 million golden parachute when his company merged with Merck, while 16,000 employees lost their jobs. Hassan's total 2009 compensation -- $49.6 million -- is enough to provide all 16,000 who were pink slipped average unemployment benefits for more than 10 weeks.
Five of the top 50 layoff leaders owe their high paychecks to the tax payer bailouts that followed the 2008 Wall Street collapse. As the government helped prop their companies up, American Express CEO Kenneth Chenault took home $16.8 million, including a $5 million cash bonus while his company laid off 4,000 employees and received $3.39 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funding.
As Republicans cry that there is no money to extend unemployment benefits for 99ers, perhaps they should put caps on CEO wages. Most startling is that the $598 million compensation of the top 50 CEOs in layoff leader survey could provide average unemployment benefits for 37,759 workers for an entire year -- or nearly a month of benefits for each of the 531,363 employees laid off by those companies.
I agree with you that this is a problem. - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]However, once you let the government start capping salaries of CEOs, where does it end? If they have what they might state is the moral obligation to do this, what's to stop them from capping the wages of everyone they feel makes too much money?
You could apply this to anyone in the entertainment industry, sports figures, large business owners, even small business owners in some cases. Then they can move on to doctors, nurses, teachers, construction workers, maybe even MTs.
It's a slippery slope that I don't think this country wants to go down.
The Corporatist States of America - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]The government shouldnt have to put a cap on it...the people should demand it. Instead they let the corporate shills run around and convince peabrains that that county worker that makes $40,000 is the problem, or the teacher that makes $60,000 is the problem.
Gee lets help with the deficit by cutting corporate tax loopholes or ending subsidies for companies making billions upon billions in PROFIT. Nah lets just cut the middle class pay, chop their benefits and cut all programs that help anyone who is not worth at least a million dollars..yeah thats the ticket..doh-dee-doh. It wont put a dent in the deficit but it will look like we are doing something and keep the rabid base happy!! When someone introduces a bill to close corporate loopholes or end subsidies which party is it usually? and which party is the one who BLOCKS it or VOTES IT DOWN?
The corporations dont even pay the taxes they are IMPOSED AS IT IS!
Enjoying record profits and taxpayer-funded bailouts as the economy slowly recovers from a financial crisis, nearly two-thirds of US corporations don't pay any income taxes, instead opting to abuse tax loopholes and offshore tax havens. According to this study from the non-partisan Government Accountability Office, 83 of the top 100 publicly traded corporations that operate in the US exploit corporate tax havens. Since 2009, Americaâs most profitable companies such as ExxonMobil, General Electric, Bank of America and Citigroup all paid a grand total of $0 in federal income taxes to Uncle Sam. Tax havens alone account for up to $1 trillion in tax revenue lost every decade, money that could be invested in K-12 education, colleges, public health, job creation and hundreds of other worthy public programs.
If we pay our taxes, why donât they? If corporations profit here, shouldn't they pay here?
Itâs time for ordinary Americans to fight back and demand an end to the corporate tax avoidance. Join US Uncut and together let's make corporate tax avoiders pay.
US Uncut is a horizontal movement. There are no centrally planned protests. If you want one in your town or city, you'll have to take it on yourself. Read our blog about what to do next.
Absolutely! I want everyone, even corporations, to pay their fair share of taxes - KCF
[ In Reply To ..]When the corporations pay their fair share of taxes, the rest of us will be able to afford our share, which will be less than we pay right now, because we have to pay their share too.
I agree with you - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]"The government shouldn't have to put a cap on it...the people should demand it. Instead they let the corporate shills run around and convince peabrains that that county worker that makes $40,000 is the problem, or the teacher that makes $60,000 is the problem".
I agree with you that this is what is going on. Demonizing middle class public workers and pitting middle class private sector workers against public workers definitely seems to be the trend as the rich get richer, but the focus does not seem to be on taking away anything from the rich, only the middle class...crazy.
We shouldn't be talking about taking anything away from the rich. - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]We should be talking about everybody being treated fairly under the law. If those with more money actually paid the taxes they were supposed to, there wouldn't be an issue, but like another poster said, they can send their money overseas in order to avoid paying taxes or, like members of congress, just "foget" about that income property they've been making money on for years.
The fancy tax accountants, estate planners & attys have all sorts of ways - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The rich have countless ways to avoid paying their fair share so they can store all that money somewhere. It doesn't go to keep our economy running.
I know - that's the problem! - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]There's where the tax system needs revamped.
Remember the infamous Koch brothers who laid off people in a time of profit - and is a major contributor to their favorite Gov
[ In Reply To ..]They are a prime example of what is bad in America.
Aw shucks, they just take advantage of tax credits and deductions - like you and me
[ In Reply To ..]Well. . . maybe not so much like me.
"On today's Fresh Air, Bloomberg News reporter Jesse Drucker, who has written extensively about corporate tax-dodging, explains how companies like Google, Pfizer, Lilly, Oracle, Facebook and Microsoft have managed to reduce their tax rates by hundreds of millions â and in some cases, billions â of dollars by taking advantage of offshore tax havens.
In October, Drucker reported that Google had saved $3.1 billion in taxes in the past three years by shifting the majority of its foreign profits into accounts in Ireland, the Netherlands and Bermuda using financial techniques called "the Dutch Sandwich" and "the Double Irish" arrangement. Basically, he says, Google credited its Irish office with the majority of its non-U.S. sales revenue â and then shuttled that money through various subsidiaries located in Ireland and other countries to save billions in taxes."
This is one thing that makes me crazy, they shift money overseas to avoid paying taxes - Why? Because they can afford to do it
[ In Reply To ..]I would not do it because it isn't the right thing to do. Corporations don't seem to have consciences. I wonder if business schools forget the Ethics classes.
conscience of big business - icedT
[ In Reply To ..]They don't have a conscience because they are in business to make money for the shareholders. I don't think it's a simple solution. There are many things that factor into it.
I think one simple fact is us - the consumer. We don't (or can't) pay $600 for an American-made product when we can get the exact same product that was made overseas for $400. We can't compete with the $20 per day worker. Consumers will not pay the extra money for the product made here.
"Why are companies outsourcing work to other countries? Simply put, the current economic structure strongly encourages companies to move their jobs overseas. Using cheap overseas labor to make products and deep American pockets to buy them, companies can increase their profits on both sides of the production equation.
Add in the fact that several countries, like Ireland and the Netherlands, offer attractive tax rates, and in many cases, it doesn't even make sense for companies to bring their profits back to American banks. The U.S. corporate tax rate is among the world's highest, with a federal rate of 35% and state rates that can tack on up to 12% more. By comparison, China charges 25% and Korea's starts at 13%.
The problem is compounded by America's tax policy, which allows companies to hold off on paying American taxes until they bring those funds into the U.S. Not surprisingly, many companies park their profits in foreign banks: General Electric, for example, has $62 billion in profits sitting in offshore bank accounts."
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/media/outsourcing-offshoring-rises/19689999/
Another fact - agree with it or not - is that companies, big and small, are in business to make a profit. Why does a person start a business? If I were to start a business, one of my goals would be to make a profit. Before you jump all over me about businesses making too much money and treating their employee like trash - I know, I know - we probably have all been treated like garbage at one time or another. But you also have to note that many of these larger corporations, and those who are the major shareholders, are some of the most generous people on the face of the earth. The world is a better place because of philanthrophy - hospital wings, schools, libraries, scholarships, etc., we all benefit. On a personal note, I get all of my drugs delivered free to my door every 90 days because of the programs set up by the drug manufacturers to help people like me who would not be able to afford the drugs otherwise. I'm thankful for that.
http://philanthropy.com/article/Americas-Biggest-Donors-in/126264/
One thing I really hate is when businesses say, "Don't even think about - making us pay our share or we will leave
[ In Reply To ..]I don't like being threatened, but they have all the power. Make them pay their fair share of taxes and guess what, they will leave. It's a lose/lose situation for the consumer and the middle-class overall. I wish we could go back to the good old days before Big Business realized they had a giant hammer to use against us.
Simple answer. Reform tax law. Can't - take loopholes if there
[ In Reply To ..]if there aren't any. Flat tax, no deductions for ANYBODY and no exclusions for ANYBODY. You make money, you pay taxes. No more welfare unless physically or mentally unable to work. If you can't find a job most cities, towns, states have infrastructure manual labor that needs doing. When people are willing to talk about individual responsibility along with corporate responsibility might be willing to listen.
Sounds good to me. Who will take care of their children while they work - and other questions
[ In Reply To ..]What about the homeless? Where will they sleep and shower, and will they have food so they will have the strength to work? I'm all for a system like that if those who are young, old, sick, or mentally ill are taken care of and nobody is abused.
Let me add 1 more, support for pregnant women so they can have their babies - Help Stamp Out Abortions The Right Way
[ In Reply To ..]The only way to cut the number of abortions is if those pregnant women, often too young and immature to know how to take care of a baby, have support from the rest of us. They need to know that they and their baby won't starve if they don't abort it. They need to know that there will be someone to teach them how to care for a baby, and someone to take care of it while they get one of those manual labor jobs, which is the only work many of them will be prepared to do.
I really could sign on to a program like that. It would make sense to me.
Low cost daycare slashed - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]One of the first things to go in this years county budge was the subsidies to help families pay for daycare costs. One woman was a paralegal who made around $22,000. They raised the threshold to where she no longer qualified thus had to quit her job and go on welfare.
But boy did they find the money to not only give a developer tax breaks to construct luxury waterfront condos, they also gave all the purchasers of these million dollar condos tax breaks to purchase them!!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
What are they thinking!!! Cruel, mean-spirited, and unfair - And it isnt working for them
[ In Reply To ..]Why do they keep doing things like this? Then they go on as if they were the only ones who care about abortion, after they have taken away the support from those who want to have and raise those babies. It makes no sense to me. They are cruel and mean-spirited.
Do you even know who "they" are? - all I saw was "my county.."
[ In Reply To ..]I don't take anybody's word for anything, especially on an anonmymous posting board when said poster always seem to have an emotional hard-to-pin-down post first-hand (albeit vague) experience with hot button issues.
Got you goin' for sure.
I think the track record the Republicans have recently makes it a pretty sure guess - If I bet money on it I would win
[ In Reply To ..]Who usually does these kinds of things? There is no question. The Republicans are on a roll right now, taking rights and income away from anyone and everyone that doesn't have power or money to fight back.
Please post specifics. And I have a question... - do you feel that as a
[ In Reply To ..]nation we can just keep spending and spending and spending and not make any cuts and just print some more money and everything will be lovely?
If not, what are your suggestions for cutting back? Also...you talk in generalities..."taking rights and uncome away from anyone and everyone who does not have the money or power to fight back..." They have not taken anything from me. The democrats are the ones taking things away from me...taking my tax dollars to support people who can work but won't. And please don't tell me that everyone on the welfare rolls belongs there. The Democrats are the ones that shoved through a health care albatross, adding billions to the deficit, even when the majority of the country said they didn't want it. So much for majority rules. The Democrats in Wisconsin who ran like cowards from a vote they knew they couldn't win...so much for democracy. Apparently Democrats only like democracy when it helps them win.
again, please post specific instances of Republicans taking rights and income away from anyone and everyone who doesn't have money or power to fight back....if you are talking about social programs, please also post where you would make cuts instead of where they are being made.
No don't tell me...raise taxes on the "rich." Nevermind.
You could instead post your "proof" with your own links and specifics - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
I'm a little amused. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You come at us with emotional verbiage, which is fine and I have no problem with that, but you demand of us that we respond to you in the way you specify. Of course if we did what you have requested, that would still not be enough for you and you would demand more of us. Nothing we could do or say would be right with you. That's okay too. Just wanted you to know that it is a little amusing. Nothing wrong with that either at the end of the day.
What is amusing is opinion posted as fact... - thinking no one will
[ In Reply To ..]challenge it and just accept it as fact. THat is why I ask for links. If none is forthcoming, the info is relegated to opinion and I move on.
I want to be informed about everything...and when links are posted I go look at them whether right OR left...I am neither Democrat nor Republican, not thrilled with either. I want to see some politicians who know that when the account is in the negatives, you stop writing checks.
Is that so much to ask?
You can find a link to support any opinion you have - Reality
[ In Reply To ..]Want someone to agree with you? You can Google it. Want to spell a word incorrectly? You can Google it and you'll find it. Just because you have a link that agrees with you and supports your opinion doesn't mean anything.
You are beating a dead horse. I said, when you - post something as FACT
[ In Reply To ..]you should include a link to support a fact. Yes, you can find people who agree with your OPINION on blog after blog after blog. So, when no link is posted I will assume it is opinion and move along. Thank you for again clarifying my point from about 3 posts ago.
Have a good weekend!
The woman making $22,000 was not a contributor to the Republican party obviously - The key
[ In Reply To ..]It's pretty clear what the difference is. Those who have money, get. Those who don't, get taken.
Working Families Party - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]Exactly that is why I dont understand why so many people vote Republican. Now dont get me wrong..the Democrats are clearly politicians too and no angels, but dang at least they throw us a bone once in a while. The shape this country run on greed is in you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils and for us po' working folk it has been proven that the lesser evil is the Democrats.
I have been voting on the Working Families platform the last 2 years which is usually the same as the Democrat candidate but to at least show the Dems that I am not happy with their hijinks either and if the Working Families party puts up a candidate that is NOT the same as the Democrat candidate..my vote goes to the Working Families candidate! Enough already!
I agree. Neither party is perfect, but only one of them is officially against the middle class - in my opinion
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Yeah, thats the socialist DEMOCRATS like Obama.nm - Thanks
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Good one! I almost thought you were serious for a moment - I needed a chuckle today
[ In Reply To ..]I really did enjoy that. I'm serious. It has been a long day and it was just what I needed.
Well, there is truth in that statement. Obama - and a good portion of
[ In Reply To ..]the Dems are socialists. And yeah, they want to hand out the gimmes to set the hook. And when enough folks take it...good-bye middle class, hello Venezuela and Cuba. That is the ultimate end to the socialist agenda.
I don't find that amusing; so happy that you do....
I don't think so. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
You don't think so...what? That Obama is a - socialist? What the ultimate
[ In Reply To ..]end to a socialist agenda is disappearance of the middle class?
Can you point me to one country...just one...where socialism has worked and the middle class is thriving? Just one would do.
I agree...and its not funny.. its scary. nm - Independent
[ In Reply To ..]nm
I can tell you why I voted Republican last... - time and will again this time...
[ In Reply To ..]because I am tired, tired, TIRED of working my fingers to the bone to support not only myself but other able-bodied people who could work but won't and want to whine consistently about the big bad rich which would rapidly change should they become one of the big bad rich. I am tired of this President and his political party who can't seem to understand that things are BAD and we need to cut costs and STOP spending. I am tired of a President who, even when the majority of the country were telling their representatives they didn't want Obamacare, rammed it through and signed it anyway. I am tired of a President who poo-poos the Constitution he swore to uphold and defend, and does whatever he wants to, regardless of the will of the majority or seeking the permission of congress, spitting in the face of the democracy he supposedly supports. I am tired of Democrats who fled their state capitol to avoid a vote because they knew they couldn't win it, also spitting in the face of the democracy they are supposed to be serving. I am sick of Democrats who want to tether us all to the government tit and have no idea what individual responsibility is, and for one reason only...to get the votes of those on the tit who want to stay on the tit, and those who want to get on the tit, and pass themselves off as the kind and caring group. It especially irks me that they rope the entire country into financing it through tax dollars...again, whether we like it or not.
Not thrilled with the Republicans either because they should be screaming foul. However....I will vote for whatever they trot out in 2012 because the Obama dog and pony show needs to go.
You're talking to someone in that higher % who did not "rapidly change" - Kind and Caring
[ In Reply To ..]As far as those Republican Governors are concerned, I don't know if they will keep their offices or be recalled. I don't know if they will be able to win election again. The polls show that the will be recalled and won't win election should they run again. Time will tell about that. I have voted Republican in the past but the fact is, they are cruel and unfair. I would not vote for one again unless it was an exception to the mainstream Republican.
What governors, what polls? Post please. - Thanks.
[ In Reply To ..]"They" are cruel and unfair. All Republicans? Which Republicans? Why are they cruel and unfair? Because they want to cut spending and reduce the deficit? Or because they are cutting where you don't want them to cut? What are the alternatives? Where would you like to see the cuts?
Or do you think we can just go on the way we are without consequences?
Go back and read the news for the last month and catch up - Cannot do your homework for you
[ In Reply To ..]There is not one of us who is going to go back and hand-feed you with all that has happened. You'll have to keep up. Obviously you will not see things the same way. I know that. You are giving your opinion and others are giving theirs. That's all it is.
Well, thanks for clarifying you were posting - opinion and not facts.
[ In Reply To ..]that clears it right up.
Wait a minute! I thought we were here posting our own opinions and thoughts - not parroting opinions of others
[ In Reply To ..]If we aren't giving our own opinions, then we might as well just go to one of the news sites and hang out there.
Again...yes, when posted as opinion, fine. - when posting as fact
[ In Reply To ..]that is a whole other ballgame. You know the difference, right...between opinion and fact?
I vote we stop beating this poor dead horse. lol.
Here's a candidate for you...Scott Walker - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]I found the comments underneath the article rather amusing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/scott-walker-emerging-ris_n_837303.html
Well, he understands that when the account is - empty you stop writing checks.
[ In Reply To ..]that puts him light years ahead of Obama and the Democrats in my book.
Please Scott run for president - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]One of the comments sort of sums up the way I see it.
Let me see:
Walker the high school graduate got kicked out of college for cheating.
Obama the Harvard graduate.
Go for it Republicans!
Please let him run. That will be fun to watch - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Prove it. Post cases. Links. Thanks. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Do you have any documentation of this? - you seem to have first-
[ In Reply To ..]hand knowledge of a lot of stuff...what county do you live in?
Just askin'.
Google is your friend - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]Everything I read was in the local paper..no inside action or contacts needed. I will not give out my location to strangers on the internet. Here is a google search on childcare cuts..take your pick...
Cute. I will take the post with a large grain of salt. - as to give your location
[ In Reply To ..]your IP address does that anyway...and giving the name of the newspaper, unless you are the only person in town would hardly give you away...and you could have posted a link to the article without saying "my town, my county" would have stayed anonymous and then folks would know that it, in fact, did happen.
Snarky comments really don't become you...your other posts acquit you much much better.
Have a good one!
Too bad so sad - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]Take my posts with a heaping pile of dog crap if it makes you happy.
Well, I would never have called them a heaping - pile of dog crap....
[ In Reply To ..]but...whatever. lol.
Help some of them start a cooperative day care.. - staff it with women who
[ In Reply To ..]have children and who need to work. As to the homeless...once they have a job and money in their pockets they won't be homeless anymore. There are shelters where bathing facilities are available. I did exclude those physically and mentally unable to work, who do not have families that can take care of them. If you want a law that works, make it unlawful to throw out someone elderly, sick, etc. just because you don't want to take care of them. Families need to start being responsible for families again and not expect the rest of the country through their tax dollars to do it.
as to abuse...that is not policed now. The government has layers and layers and layers of programs that are fraught with abuse because the government is incapable of running ANYTHING on a budget (I think that is glaringly obvious) with all the beauracy that exists STILL can't stop the fraud.
Put all that back in the hands of faith-based groups who in the past took care of the homeless, needy, etc. The difference in faith-based groups was while they were helping financially they also helped people find jobs and put them back on their feet, not on the couch with food stamps, low rent housing....I could go on but you know the story. It needs to stop, and we need to get back to individual responsibility and taking care of our own families. If everybody did that again we would not have the issues we have. All those homeless have family somewhere. You KNOW you have a problem when 3 generations of a family are on welfare.
Deleted - nm
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Right on!!! - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]Definitely sounds good to me - everyone should be treated fairly under the law, so as long as the law is that we pay income tax, everyone should have to pay fairly according to thier income, big or small.
So, are you running for office, 'cause you'd have my vote!!!
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583341,00.html This lady is an idiot. I've been on both sides of the parade - as majorette in high scool and have been stuck in my car waiting. Just recently, i was stopped for a parade. I knew I was going to be late for my doctor's appt because of the parade,, so I turned my car off, and every time I saw a man in a military uniform, I shouted "Thank you. Thank you for all you have done". New wars start but our v ...
Consumer Ignorance Drives Big Jump In Medical ID FraudSep 19, 2013
Consumer ignorance drives big jump in medical ID fraud Medical records contaminated by the perpetrator 'could actually have severe impact,' says study's sponsor, Medical Identity Fraud Alliance in Share17 » Add a comment By Antone Gonsalves September 14, 2013 — CSO — People are at an increased risk of medical identity fraud, partly because they do not recognize the life-threatening scenarios that could result ...
I Must Be NutsAug 08, 2011
In a bit of a situation and I'm not sure what to do about it. I'm divorced with teens. The ex has very little contact with me or the kids and we are all fine with that. He was always absent even when he was physically there anyway. I have a boyfriend who is also divorced, no kids. His ex walked out on him the final time after having left him several times in the past. Not to mention she was constantly looking for her "next" husband on Match.com an ...
Is He Nuts????Apr 20, 2012
Harry Reid wants to "save the Post Office" because he says "seniors love getting junk mail-- it makes them feel connected to the rest of the world"---. WTH???? These are our government people???? It's no wonder the country is in the toilet if this is how they think! ...
Nuts.....really? Sm.Aug 29, 2012
Just OMG...you really need to go to this link. ...
You Do Not Want Others To Think You Are Nuts?Jan 19, 2013
I read and think, cannot get any more crazy and yes it does. The football player who supposedly in love (and involved with) a person he has never even met? The football player said he kept up with the story because did not want people to think he was crazy. Well, guess what, I think right now you probably are in need of some very professional assistance. You have the money and you need to put it to some good use. To say you have a girlfriend (or boyfriend for that reason) and are in love with th ...
This Is NutsAug 31, 2014
Okay, so this is nuts. I am looking for a non-MT work-at-home job. I went on a couple of websites, and many of the jobs require that I speak English AND Spanish. REQUIRED. Okay, so I have to learn their language, but they don't have to learn mine? When my grandpa came to this country back when the hard-working immigrants were making this country, nobody catered to his language of Italian. If he didn't learn to speak English, he couldn't survive here. More, unless he took a cou ...
Soup To Nuts!Jan 29, 2013
Can we assemble a multi-course menu of diseases and symptoms? (My vote would be preferably withOUT getting scatological, being as I'm pretty sure all of us here are older than 8, or 10, or whatever that age is.) I'll start off the menu with a nice word salad! ...
Apparently There Are A Lot Of Nuts OutJun 14, 2017
Another shooting at UPS office. ...
OMG! Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) Is Nuts!!!Sep 28, 2016
He is part of the problem of this country. He's a dyed in the wool Dem and strictly votes via the party. He absolutely spewed hate for the Republicans. He was on Washington Journal this morning and during the question and answer period, he said Benghazi wasn't Clinton's fault....it was Ambassador Steven's fault becuase he went there. IOW, he's blaming the Ambassador for being killed!!!!I'm so glad I don't live in TN. I'd be embarassed with that commen ...
Anyone Who Signs Up For Obamacare Is Truly Nuts. (sm)Dec 07, 2013
Hope we don't see you here whining when someone steals your identity. ...
Political Correctness Is NUTS!!Jul 13, 2015
Pretty soon, the left is going to lead the charge to take all religious interpretations out of names of cities and people. Can you see just about every city in California changing it's name, i.e., San Diego, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Sacramento, etc. You get my drift. Also, every person with "chris" in their name will be forced to change it. No more Christopher, Christine, Christianne, etc. No more Jesus either. Won't that be a hoot. The ILLEGALS will love that one! ...
GOP Is Nuts-maybe In Spare Time After AdoptingMay 15, 2015
as they obviously feel that the poor cannot make any decisions for themselves and that they are higher and mightier than all, let them figure out how to take care of the children and feed the families. Scott Walker is shooting himself in the foot, thank goodness he is doing it early and often. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/15/wisconsin-gop-passes-bill-banning-poor-people-from-buying-shellfish-potatoes-and-ketchup/ ...
Mitt Romney Was Right Again! Yet People Thought He Was NutsJan 19, 2013
So many of you argued that Romney had no foreign policy experience or even knew anything about the rest of the world but he was right again! So, when do you think Obama will send troops into Africa? Wanna bet it will be soon? Because if he doesn't help France more than what he's doing now, you can bet your bottom dollar that another ally will bite the dust. Note the date on the below article: Mali Responds To Mitt Romney by Matt Taylor October 31st, 2012&nbs ...
Imagine That -- They Found Someone To Fill In For Glenn Beck Who's Just As Nuts!!Mar 30, 2010
Tanning Salon Tax Is Racist, Says Doc Thompson, Fill-In Host For Glenn Beck As the White House stumps nationwide in support of health care reform, they'll talk about how they've stopped insurance companies from dropping patients due to preexisting conditions and how they've "closed the doughnut hole" and how the youngs will be able to stay on their parents' insurance until they're old enough to go on unemploy ...
CNN Host Stuns Media, Says Clinton’s Team Thinks “she’s Nuts!”Oct 27, 2016
http://conservativetribune.com/jaws-drop-when-lib-cnn-host/?utm ...
Tea Party Leader: Obama Hides Birth Cert. To Make Us ânutsâApr 29, 2010
By Andrew McLemoreWednesday, April 28th, 2010 -- 9:42 pm During an appearance on the radio show of Fox News’ Alan Colmes, prominent tea party leader Tom Tancredo made it clear he believes President Obama may not be an American citizen, Think Progress reported. The former GOP congressman responded to questions about a statement he gave to a group of tea partiers: “If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don’t we just send him back?” Tancredo was referring to a speec ...