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What would the Republicans do if they repealed ObamaCare

Posted: Jan 7, 2016

I heard they voted AGAIN to repeal it. What would they do if they actually could repeal it? 11.3 million without insurance would be pretty angry, I would think. Also, all the people that have been able to now get insurance even though they have a pre-existing condition would get kicked off or priced out?

I have read that people are being diagnosed earlier with cancers and receiving treatment earlier because of ObamaCare. I have also read that young men who are beginning schizophrenic symptoms are receiving treatment earlier. What about all these people?

I am reallly glad I am able to quit this stupid transcription job and not have to hang on to it because I am afraid I would be denied insurance.

Wise up, Republicans.

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My insurance situation is much MUCH worse under Ocare, and so are - millions of others.

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Huge deductibles, many drugs knocked off formularies, more procedures denied, red tape even worse - and premiums increasing almost 20% this year.

Guess you haven't read about all THAT. It's been in all the papers, of course.

Wise up, Democrats.

Multiple doc visits this year--total cost $150 - sm

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I find it interesting that you get your insurance information from reading "the papers."

I used to work in human resources. I made a good salary and one of my benefits was free insurance. Didn't have to pay taxes on a benefit worth almost $500 per month.

Fast forward. I wanted to work from home, became an MT. Now I work harder for less money and yes, and company offers insurance that the premium is DEDUCTED from wages. Yes, I think "free" insurance should be taxed. Why should someone who is getting minimum wage have insurance premium deducted from wages, while people with Cadillac insurance not have to pay taxes on insurance, which is essentially part of wages?

This whole MT thing is such a scam.
Prospective employee: "Do you have family health insurance?"
Recruiter: "Yes."
Reality: You have to pay a lot for terrible coverage, so you really don't want it and wish you could just get Obamacare.

Prospective employee: "Do you have paid holidays?"
Recruiter: "Yes, we have the normal holidays, you alternate and are paid holiday time for working."
The realilty--the holidays are like Christmas Day and the 4th of July, which you must ask for, not to early, or if you wait too long, too bad. That holiday pay is like an extra half cent for the lines you work, but you will be out of work all day.

FYI I get my information from my own premiums - and my own medical bills.

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Which isn't to say that my experience doesn't correlate precisely with what everyone else in the country knows about Obamacare and the soaring costs - everyone, that is, except you.

Read it.

Forgot about the 8.5% annual increase during Bush? - apples/oranges

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I note a lot of cherry picking going on regarding comparing last year's stats to this year, etc.

The basic flaw with your argument is that it will take time to see all the effects of preventive care/early detection versus crisis management. Younger people are signing up, which is good for everyone.

It is going to take awhile for the market to made adjustments and the health insurance companies to figure all the angles for their profit line. Its like making a resolution to lose 20 pounds on New Years, but a week later you have only lost 1 pound, so you quit the program.

The Republicans have never been noted for having a long-range vision, though.

The Democrats have long-range vision? Please spare us - the hyperbole.

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There were things to be fixed under the old system but Obamacare was not the way to fix them.

Yes, costs have risen throughout both Democrat and Republican administrations, but MY HEALTHCARE COVERAGE DIDN'T DISAPPEAR BEFORE MY EYES AT THE SAME TIME!!

Jeez Louise this isn't difficult at all. Try to keep your eye on both balls - cost and coverage. Under ObamaCare, costs are rising, deductibles are rising, premiums are rising AND CARE IS DIMINISHING. Just ask people who no longer can take their medications or who are getting turned down for procedures that were standard before.

This all really is beyond debate.

Don't forget "if you like your doctor" lie. Didn't happen, - Truthhurts

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for millions who really did like their doctors but lost them because of Obamacare.

Not just that. It was "If you like your plan - YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN."

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And he knew when he said it that it was a lie because they'd been negotiating with the insurance carriers for weeks.

No, it was if you like your junk health insurance - it will be phased out.

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And its a good thing too, but these junk policies basically paid for nothing.

11.3 million - Obamacare or medicaid?

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Those happy with Obamacare are those who now qualify for medicaid through Obamacare - in other words, your premium or part of it is paid by the government which is supported by those of us who pay income taxes. There are not enough of us paying taxes in to pay for your health care - simple math - Obamacare is broke - but Obama didn't care about who was going to pay for it - he wanted it to be his legacy and it is.....sadly......
In the meantime, my husband has a good job and we have what Obama calls "Cadillac insurance" - in other words, we pay 20% and our insurance pays 80% when we go to the doctor, the hospital or pick up a prescription - he forgets to mention that the insurance company still takes about $150.00 a month out of my husband's paycheck - is it a great? Of course it is - but my husband has worked 42 years and some might say because he has been a good worker and a loyal employee (with a little luck thrown in), we deserve the good insurance. But Obama doesn't think so - he doesn't think it's "fair" that we have good insurance and someone else doesn't - in spite of the fact that we have "earned" our insurance through hard work and luck, we are supposed to give that up so that we have the same rotten "insurance" that everyone else has. That's only "fair" or as he always says "our fair share" (of his crap).

Obamacare is a lifesaver for the truly indigent and sick - the insurance companies are soaking the rest of us

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Also big pharma, I guess, in that the cost of our drugs is way higher than in other countries.

Thanks to the bought and paid for (yes, mostly Republican, check it) congress and senate members who are in the pay of the hugely profitable insurance companies and big pharma (CEOs are some of the richest in the country - why????), the intent of Obamacare - to make a truly portable, reasonable cost healthcare system for all of us - has been thwarted.

But don't you dare blame it on Obamacare. It didn't take the insurance companies long to figure out how to stick the knife in. Maybe the very well off are paying more now, which they can certainly afford, but a huge burden is falling on the middle class with massive deductibles and very stingy copays and cost sharing, which makes the free "preventive care" almost obscene - it's almost like a very cruel joke.

I find I am even less inclined to go to the doctor than before - despite free physicals, mammograms and colonoscopy, I know that if they find anything I cannot afford a further visit or even further tests, which I must pay out of pocket until I reach the deductible which is way too huge on my puny salary, so why bother?

The thing is, what Obamacare or any health care plan could not do was get those insurance/pharma bums out of the process. Not yet anyway. If insurance is in the system at all it needs to be in a totally nonprofit way, and that is what is causing all these ridiculous underhand and nasty manipulations of our health insurance policies.

Get the bums out, I say, and I predict whoever is president next will need to address the manipulation of this law by the armies of lawyers and lobbyists in the employ of the massive health insurance/big pharma industry.

Yes, and this is exactly the deal that Obama cut with - the insurers and big pharma.

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I mean, they can only do what the legislation permits them to do. You might take some time to read up on the back-room shady history of this deplorable legislation.

Can you say "redistribution" - with collusion?

I think he had no choice, the repubs would - not sign otherwise

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I am still glad that people who truly need health care with preexisting conditions are finally getting access, and I am not sorry those with "Cadillac" policies need to pay more.

Again, THEY can afford it, we can't!

Let those Cadillac people chime in to get the insurance companies and big pharma out. Now that their lives are a little less comfy maybe all of us can unite to get these parasites out of the system.

Holy-moley. Not one Republican voted for Obamacare. - People really don't know much about it!?

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Let me tell you something. There are lots and lots of people who "truly need health care", as you put it, from the low end of the income spectrum to the higher, who are not getting it.

I'm amazed how many people sit down and spout off on this subject but know absolutely nothing about it.

Why aren't they? - I remember it well, too

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I do not understand why you say people are not getting care. I think it is their own fault because there are all kinds of resources out there.

I remember Obama trying to work with the pubs for over a year to get the health care done. At first the Republicans pretended to be negotiating in good faith, but then it was apparent they were just trying to drag their feet so slow, it would never get done.

They had announced earlier that Obama would be a one-term president and never, ever tried to work seriously and truthfully on anything with him. I think 2 republican senators said they were going to vote for Obamacare (Snowe?) but then succumbed to Pub party pressure and did not. (edited)

Obamacare was basically the plan Republicans had proposed in the first place. The process just ended up showing the Republicans as the hypocrites that they are.

I know they did not vote for Obamacare, but - still it was the only way it would pass

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Maybe the Dems were just as much in their pockets too?

I admit I truly do NOT know why we are saddled with these insurance companies and big pharma still in the process, but how come Obama, if he is such a commie, is responsible for that? Any explanation?

So can anyone please educate us on why the leftie leftist Demalinsky Obama would not cut out the big corporations in this process if not to simply get any kind of legislation passed at all to help people with preexisting conditions and indigent?

Really, I would like to know why he turned coat on his naturally communistic principles (according to the right wing) to suddenly get in bed with insurance companies and big pharma for no obvious benefit to the country.

Unless that was the only way to get it passed. Ding ding ding.

Because it was better than before - sm

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Obama's team had been operating on the belief that the Pubs would support the bill if they included Republican protections for big corporations.

Dems did put in the part that insurance companies had to use 80% of premiums for actual health care costs, which was a great improvement over previous.

Sounds like you would prefer universal one payer. I sure would. Really, what is the purpose of insurance companies? Just to skim the money off the top. No real value to the system at all.

Not one R vote. Where have you been? - LM

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Nevertheless it passed and Repubs should stop - trying to repeal it already

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Especially since they have diddly squat to replace it with.

They have completely ruined health care in red states by idiotically refusing the Medicaid expansion, to the detriment of their budget and their constituents' health.

Idiotic ideology takes precedence when they have absolutely no intention of doing anything about the health system anyway. They had many, many chances to change things when in power, yet the only thing they did was to add the hugely expensive (and NOT PAID FOR) Medicare part D.

But yeah, keep repealing Obamacare (not). Even their followers must be getting sick of that trick.

18 trillion dollar debt - that's why something has to be done

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The cost of Obamacare is exploding and there just aren't enough people paying taxes to support it - there has to be another way...we can't sustain this debt. Do those who keep saying the 1% should pay more, does that include millionaires? Because it will take every one of us paying 1.1 million to the government to clear out the national debt right now - and I don't have my million, do you?

There were NO Republican votes for Obamacare. - There isn't any question about this!

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Read it (the link) and weep. This has never been in question except to people who didn't follow the legislative process or follow the news after the vote.

How do you know I can afford it? - You don't know me....

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What crock - just because my husband works for a big company that provides health care BECAUSE my husband chooses to participate in their health care plan - does not mean that we have the extra money to pay for your health care - who do you think you are to make that assumption about me? I have the same bills that everyone else in the country has - I don't have a flat screen or a smart phone - our newest vehicle is "the new car" which is a 2004. Seriously - there is a whole segment of the population that believes that if someone is making it on their paycheck and getting by that somehow we don't deserve that and should pay for the rest of you? Socialism at its finest.....

Everybody feels that way - Cadillac or not

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I am not asking anyone to pay for my health care, I am certainly having problems of my own paying for that, but I am not eligible for Medicaid or even Obamacare thanks to the stranglehold the insurance industry has forcing us to take substandard policies from our terrible MTSOs.

Turning the tables, though, how do you think you would feel if for years you couldn't get treatment AT ALL because of a preexisting condition. Maybe you were disabled or maybe you made enough money to pay for treatment out of pocket, but it would break the bank for sure.

Somehow people who have a problem with Obamacare don't seem to realize that before Obamacare some people did not even get to be insured AT ALL, and were dying waiting for treatment because of these stupid rules the insurance companies were allowed to enforce.

For that I am glad of Obamacare.

Great Post....sick of the ones that think they have - all the answers and can

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speak for "everyone". Ads soon as I see "everyone, all" in someone's post, I already know they are clueless of the facts.

I'm with you...I am sick to death of paying for the lazies, drug addicts, welfare generations that refuse to educate themselves or improve their own lives.

Obviously, for those that have a meltdown before reading, I have no problem helping those that are truly handicapped, ill, or unable to work...Have no interest in supporting those that refuse to work - entirely different.

Not what my spouse is seeing as a case manager for a - major clinical group.

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Many, many patients have lost coverage, are paying more for the coverage they're getting, and some people will never see a dime of coverage for regular care unless they get sick enough to go over their deductibles, which are very high now.

The case managers are now spending all their time filing appeals, trying to find alternative sources of funding for treatments (in some cases, even going to private charities), etc.

I'm sorry, but that's just the plain and simple fact. A lot more people have been harmed by Obamacare than the 11 or however many million who might have been helped (and that is in question).

And do you know how many exchanges have flat-out failed?

You can defend Obamacare until the cows come home, but you can't run away from the hard, cold facts.

I note factcheck does not agree with you - see message

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I believe factcheck. Is your spouse new to case management? I worked in health care for many years and there have always been case workers who helped people, including the homeless, mentally incapacitated, and people down on their luck to get care through foundations and charities. I am sure these people still need help. I note that many of my reports talk about social services helping patients sign up for insurance and/or MA/MC/VA.

No - 25 years experience case mgmt, and never seen anything like - the chaos that is healthcare now.

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Not just one individual's opinion either, all the case managers at the facility are very discouraged and disgusted with the so-called "Affordable Care Act", the first two words comprising the joke...neither affordable nor care.

Factcheck is anything but fact - And that's a fact.

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SINGLE PAYER - #FEELTHEBERN

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"Feel the Bern"?? - No thank you. nm

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I'm with you. One communist/socialist in the WH - was 1 more than we needed

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Obama has run this country into the ditch and Hildabeast and Bernie will only shovel the dirt in the hole.

Single-payer is the best option, no deductible, little or no copay..sm. - VTMT

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paid for by a 5-6% payroll tax, much like Medicare. EVERY citizen will be covered and will save thousands a year over current insurance.

It would be chaos - operations cancelled mid-incision

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infants with complex medical problems hitting their lifetime benefit caps.

College students and young adults being kicked off their parent's insurance policies.

Medical appointments cancelled, health care workers laid off.

People stuck in dead-end jobs because they are afraid to start a business or take the risk of new employment because they are afraid of being left without health insurance.

Health insurance companies cancelling coverage if you get sick, all the while pocketing huge profits.

Enough to make me sick.

Corporations used fear of no health insurance - N-MT

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If employees were afraid to leave their jobs because they would lose health insurance, companies did not have to be competitive with wages. No doubt the big corporations are lining the Republican political pockets to keep up these votes to take away insurance portability.

You obviously have not read the bill. Two year transition, and streamlining of current program. Sh - nm

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It will just be vetoed more than likely anyway until we have a new president. The article I read said it would also eliminate fines. I still have no insurance as I refuse to pay $300+ a month for something with $6380 deductible just because my job offers a $500 month plan with no provider within 200 miles so I go without and pay cash and get a 25% discount for that.

Young adults should buy their own insurance - Truthhurts

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not stay on mommy and daddy's plan until they're 26. I never agreed with that.

Every responsible young adult before Obamacare took the insurance offered by their employers and paid for it themselves.

What's so different now? Obama just trying to keep them dependent, that's the difference.

These are the facts about "repealing Obamacare" - Truthhurts

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What’s in the bill

Repealing Obamacare, or the key parts of it — The Republicans’ bill, Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015, doesn’t actually repeal Obamacare in its entirety. Instead it goes after some of the key features of Obamacare that are necessary to make the whole system work. It would:

Restrict the federal government from operating health care exchanges

Phase out funding for subsidies to help lower and middle-income individuals afford insurance through the health care exchanges

Eliminate tax penalties for individuals who do not purchase health insurance and employers with 50 or more employees who do not provide insurance plans

Eliminate taxes on medical devices and the so-called “Cadillac tax” on the most expensive health care plans

Phase out an expansion of Medicaid over a two-year period

Ending federal funding to Planned Parenthood — The bill would also end federal funding of Planned Parenthood for one year by prohibiting Medicaid reimbursements for Planned Parenthood services. In its place, the bill would increase funding for a community health program.

Federal funding for Planned Parenthood supports its reproductive health, maternal health, and child health services — but not its abortion services or the subsequent transfer of fetal tissue that may follow, which are what brought the organization into focus last year. Existing law prohibits federal funds from being used for abortions, and the bill also does not address the organization’s practices regarding fetal tissue, which were made legal in 1993.

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