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Posted: Jan 10, 2013

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is proposing to eliminate Louisiana’s income and corporate taxes and pay for those cuts with increased sales taxes, the governor’s office confirmed Thursday. The governor’s office has not yet provided the details of the plan. “The bottom line is that for too long, Louisiana’s workers and small businesses have suffered from having a state tax structure that is too complex and that holds back economic prosperity,” Jindal said in a statement released by his office. “It’s time to change that so people can keep more of their own money and foster an environment where businesses want to invest and create good-paying jobs.” Jindal says he’s meeting with legislators now, with the goal of revenue neutral tax reform. Some reports claim the state’s 4-percent income tax might have to rise to 7 percent to make up the difference, but the governor’s office hasn’t gotten that deep into details as it discusses possibilities: Gov. Bobby Jindal’s tax reform package could raise the state’s sales tax to as much as 7 percent so the state’s corporate and personal income taxes could be eliminated. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/10/jindal-calls-for-elimination-of-all-louisiana-income-and-corporate-taxes/;

Interesting! Sort of like - a user tax

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You're only taxed on what you use. Correct? The more you buy, the more you pay, but at the same 7 percent rate. Ingeninous.

I have always found it an interesting idea - Fanatical Hypocrite

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but for it to work properly I'm fairly certain it would need to be done at a national level. There are too many loopholes to be exploited. First, the poorest and most centralized (those at the center of the state) Louisianans, would be subject to the worst taxation. Being poor and far from the border, they would be caught paying the sales tax, while the wealthier, more mobile people would likely purchase whatever they wanted from out of state. Meanwhile, everyone on the border would just go to the nearby states, buy their stuff there and come home.

For instance, I live on the California-Oregon border and everyone I know shops in Oregon because there's no sales tax and gets Oregon license plates because that's cheaper too. The effect is that Oregon gets our business and our road money. Meanwhile, those who can't afford to travel up there, pay the proper tax and are left behind the moochers.

But, FH, don't they have to report the tax free purchases on their taxes? Why yes empty-chair-ala-Clint-Eastwood Bobby Jindal, but some rascals lie on their taxes and then never turn themselves in for tax evasion. Wait, FH, since my state's so much smaller than California and every connecting state would have lower sales tax, wouldn't that pretty much destroy my state? Yes Bobby, yes it would.

Okay, in all seriousness, I have always liked the idea of a nation wide replacement of income tax with sales tax, though I would personally leave a capital gains tax and estate tax in place to curb plutocracy, and to make it a bad idea for the rich to buy outside the country, I would institute the death penalty for tax evasion. If Donald Trump so much as buys a snow globe at a gift shop in Switzerland and doesn't report it, off with his head:)

P.S. Don't forget to catch Fanatical Hypocrite's one man show "Bobby Jindal Destroys His Own State To Win Fiscal Cred With His Party for His 2016 Presidential Run."

Nailed it - grits

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Ol' Bob is not the fearless new GOP leader he's positioning himself as. Trust him at your peril.

I think I've heard Bill O'Reilly - Trigger Happy

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suggest this kind of thing on his show before.

It was Huckabee's suggestion first - but of course

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because he was a "preacher" at one point in his life, he was beaten down because of it....much like this board and its frequenters.

This is what is known as a regressive tax. "Fair" in - that everyone pays the same rate. HOWEVER,

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poor people who spend all their income just to live end up paying much more of it in taxes--so it amounts to a big tax increase for them.

More well-to-do people who have money left over for investments, out-of-state purchases and travel, etc., etc., end up with a big tax break, the greater the wealth, the greater the break.

The upshot after everything falls out is a continual, massive transfer of wealth upwards.

Regressive taxes can also result in repeated revenue shortfalls as downturns in the economy cause the mass of people paying by far most of the taxes to cut back their spending.

People who like the the simplicity of this plan, though, say it can be adjusted to be fair and hit people more equally (and various other issues handled by government adjustments).

HOWEVER, that's contrary to its basic functioning and a lot like making water run uphill. It can be done, but it has to be worked at constantly and requires very frequent adjustments as conditions change.

As regular working people go about their business, they would have to depend on their elected officials to make sure the "water always ran uphill" and always at effective rates that they had at one time agreed would be workable and fair.

IMO, that last sort of like hoping water will run uphill...

Across the board flat rate vs percentage of income - regressive snake oil proposal

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will not likely get the required 2/3rds majority vote in the legislature. It would require GOP solidarity plus significant democrat crossover votes. Jindal's gonna have to find a different path to the 2016 White House than a crushing tax increase on the poor, and should take his own advice: "Stop being the stupid party."

But Jindal LOVES crushing the poor. - see msg

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He opted out of the Affordable Care Act and drastically cut the budgets for LSU hospitals and clinics (where many poor were treated). Those employees haven't had any raises in 3-4 years, and contrary to conservative ranting about highly-paid state employees, they didn't earn much.

Looks like he wants to make Louisiana wealthier by allowing the poor to die in the gutters. After he collects their spare nickels and dimes in taxes, of course.
End game is, as always in LA, the oil people don't pay, - We the People take care of LA's poor.nm
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Although, of course, friends of the wealthy support - this type of tax, social conservatives also

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like it as a method for pushing people to be more responsible with their money by discouraging unnecessary spending, (that cheery holiday candy-stripe serving dish I bought at TJ Maxx, for instance).

Neighbors also recently clued me in to something else. Note that regressive taxes in themselves tend to increase stratification of society. So, some people were discussing class in our area in the old days. Discussion moved to our current trend away from a larger middle class to a more stratified society with less upward mobility, and I was really interested to learn that some of them felt this was a good thing. They saw the old days, where people supposedly understood their higher and lower places in society, as more stable.

They also agreed that many of us can be lead into trouble by having too much money, drugs being mentioned, being too easily able to go into debt over houses and cars, etc. These are people who remember when as teenagers they would have had NO money to get a drug habit going. The tone overall was a little paternalistic for my taste, but I couldn't say there wasn't at least some validity to it. (Discussion did not shift to such things in differences in healthcare and life expectancy from one part of town to another, however.)

One whose family apparently practically ran the city council long ago felt it was easier for the council to operate effectively back then. When I asked if he felt they took good care of all parts of town, he was surprised, and not entirely sure, but the answer was something vague but sincere about how everyone was happier than now. Strictly speaking, since insecurity causes us a lot more unhappiness than lack of a dependable car or being able to throw away shoes when they look worn, say, that might even have been true.

So, increased class stratification from this kind of tax--Can't expect everyone to assume we don't want to go there again.

Nobody is happier if they"know their place." - except those on top. n/m

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Not quite right. Conservatives love a strong structure. It's no - accident that liberals are egalitarian

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while conservatives specifically are not. This is a big difference between left and right (and that was a very conservative group of neighbors I was with).

Some of the main defining characteristics of a conservative personality include

Resistance to change (positively resulting in stability and preservation of what is good),

A strong desire for conformity in society (leading to stable, well functioning societies, at least for a larger part of them).

ACCEPTANCE OF INEQUALITY in society. Conservatives are comfortable not only with being advantaged over those "below" them but also with being disadvantaged themselves by those "above" them.

(Ergo, their fight to protect the wealthy and prevent change in what they see as a traditional order. What they ask in return is leadership and a comfortable degree of that "trickle down," both in money and security within society (for instance, the police don't feel free to beat them and theirs). Right now a lot of them are finally feeling too disadvantaged but have been very slow to blame those they see as their leadership class for failing them.)

Jindal's goal, in his own words - sm

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"....goal is to eliminate all personal income tax and all corporate income tax." Sounds good to me.

Well, put THAT way. LOL. Now, check the punch line - (replacement taxes) and see how you like it.nm

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