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I stand by the "animal" in my post about the protesters

Posted: Apr 27, 2015

because yesterday, they trashed a car(s), threw bottles at the police, and broke store windows with trash cans, besides throwing trash cans, bottles, liquids, at police AND people trying to get into the stadium to see the game.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/crowds-start-to-march-in-west-baltimore/32570292

Plus, they robbed an RT reporter:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-rt-reporter-robbed-baltimore-protests-article-1.2200084

Now, the warning has come out from the Bloods, Crips, and Black Guerilla gangs that they are banding together to kill the cops. Nice, huh?

Baltimore Police say gangs teaming up to take out officers. Scroll down the page in this link for the story:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/

There is NO excuse for this behavior. Note in the first video how young those kids are. They think they're being cool but I think they'll be in jail or dead by the time or even before they're 21. Whatta shame. Then the do-gooders wonder why there are more blacks in jail or dead from violence than there are whites. The videos tell the story.

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Do you honestly think... - sm

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...that those who perpetrated the violence in Baltimore were part of the organized protest? It was a group of opportunistic thugs, and hopefully justice will be served accordingly. Most of the people there were demonstrating peacefully.

Thugs are responsible for the violence. There have been....sm - Alice

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mostly peaceful protesters up until now. Gray's family doesn't want this and this kind of activity helps no one. I am hearing now that today's violent protesters are high school students. There are lots of videos being shot. ID the offenders and arrest them.

And had agreed to no protesting on the - day of Freddie Gray's funeral

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The student thugs and gang members did not agree to anything. sm - VTMT

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These are lawless people, looting, setting cars on fire, who have no regard for the dead man or his family.

Anyone destroying property, looting, endangering others (sm) - LM

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`need to be hauled away and locked up. There is NO REASON FOR THIS BEHAVIOR. I don't care if they are kid thugs, grown thugs, or out of town thugs. Lock the animals up.

I agree totally, but the Baltimore Police Department.....sm - VTMT

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is confirming just how useless they are. They have been allowing this to go on for over five hours now. Why?

I have no earthly idea, except didn't the stupid mayor incite them? - LM

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nm

I heard her speak awhile ago. Honestly, she doesn't seem - very bright.

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nm

I am completely satisfied with her intelligence - after having heard her now

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Perhaps she did not have the knee jerk typical politician answers and bravado, right or wrong. Correct, she is no Jay Nixon, thank goodness.

Not to me. I saw her last night with those 2 I think city councilmen (sm) - me

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and they seemed to have a heck of a lot more sense than she did.

No, the mayor did not incite them. - nm

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Probably because the police are cowards... - the same reason they kill detainees.

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But snapping a guy's neck is A-OK? - nm

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No! How did you come up....sm - Alice

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with that one? These are not peaceful protesters now. They are thugs, criminals. Why aren't the police closing off traffic, using tear gas, rubber bullets, closing off escape routes. Come on idiots, do your job for God's sake!

I read on another board that the mayor said words to the effect (sm) - Callie

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"let them destroy." or words to that effect.

We're being destroyed from within, voting for - corrupt politicians and turning

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a blind eye.

that's not at all what she said - sm

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That's just what people are saying she said.

She made it very clear that she instructed the police to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech - and while trying to make sure the protesters were protected, it also gave space to those who wished to destroy.

She didn't say anything about giving destroyers their space, as some media outlets have suggested. It's really unfortunate that so many have misconstrued the mayor's words and sentiments.

The mayor said to "we need to let them have space to destroy....." - that's what she said-go watch the video

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No, that is not what she said at all. - sm

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If you watched the video, you know she did not say that.

Here’s her full comment:

“I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech,” Rawlings-Blake said. “It’s a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate.”

First of all, the vandals and looters have little - to nothing to do with the protest.

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People like that come out of the woodwork whenever ANYTHING exciting happens: Protests, sports team wins, sports team losses, St. Patrick's Day, Cinco de Mayo, and anything else that just might happen to involve alcohol.

As for the protest, you know that that's about, right? About a detained suspect (the word "SUSPECT" is key here... the man had not been officially charged with a crime or tried yet) who appears to be fairly intact while being loaded into a paddy wagon, later "mysteriously" develops a broken neck and nearly-severed spinal cord.

if you look at the video closely, you can see he is not walking to the van - Whatever happened, he was paralyzed

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prior to the police picking him up off the ground.

Regardless of whether it happened before or - after transport to jail, there was -sm

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still no reason whatsoever to injure this suspect so grievously. If the police want respect, then they're going to have to show a little.

The problem is that no one knows how he was injured or by who until - the investigation is completed

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which isn't over yet, but almost everyone is jumping the gun and blaming the police. I can only hope that the truth will come out, but that might be impossible with the way the media no longer cares for truth in journalism, but rather being another National Enquirer (sensationalism and lies) just to get readership.

It seems a little funny that there is no bystander volunteering a video from their smartphone on this. There are "hundreds" of smartphones being used at the protests.

I think we need to think about this a little bit - sm

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It's true that no one knows exactly how Mr. Gray was injured, or by whom. However, no one is jumping the gun with respect to the culpability of the police. The man did not have a severed spinal cord before being taken into police custody.

There are still peaceful protesters. Plenty of them. - But they dont sell advertising space -

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on the TV news shows. They want ads. They want ratings. They want money. So they focus on the stuff that pulls in the viewers, not the "boring" part... peaceful protesters. Video of looters and thugs scares people (which of course the right wing just LOVES), and brings in those coveted ratings.

Did I say that? - LM

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nm

There's likely a reason for it. Whenever people - do anything, theres always a reason.

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I think we are looking at America in the not too - distant future. It's just a

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matter of time when this happens again. Hard to believe the normalization of looting and rioting.

Hard to believe the normalization of killing - by police without justification either

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Why do you think the looting, rioting is happening?

If they would have a major overhaul and train police NOT to overreact and kill innocent people all the time, maybe there would not be so much unrest.

Lives are worth more than property to me. We need to wake up to what is becoming a heavily armed police state.

How about volunteering to rebuild your neighborhood - and making a choice not

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to loot to me would set a better example.

rebuild your neighborhood with....? - sm

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The money paid out by the city to cover for the brutal acts of its police department would be enough to build "a state-of-the-art rec center or renovations at more than 30 playgrounds." Instead, the money was used to cover for the brutal acts of the city's police department and ensure they remained well beyond any semblance of justice.

Please. No one knows the whole story yet - Truthhurts

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An investigation is just that. That's why the "instant arrests" can't happen and those instigating these protests need to leave town and go back where they came from. You can't know the truth until the investigation is complete.

What would you do if you were arrested and sent to jail without a thorough investigation of the charges? I don't think you'd like it. That's called tyranny. Is that what you want?

Everyone seems to be making judgement based on certain media stories. Has innocent until proven guilty been replaced with guilty until proven innocent? That seems to be the case in today's world and it's just wrong.

I don't believe anyone is calling for instant arrests - sm

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Clearly, however, the man's spinal cord was severed. This is not the typical outcome of an arrest or a handcuffing. That is not the whole story, but it is a very salient part of this tragic tale. I don't believe anyone is calling for instant arrests, certainly not the poster you responded to.

Until America starts treating citizens of all races - with respect, then America had - sm

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better get used to more and more unrest. And a total poor-vs-rich uprising is probably in our future as well, if things don't change for the better in America.

No matter what America does, it's never enough. - After 50 years of Democrat

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control in Baltimore, this still happened.

Government programs created the problems in our inner cities. More government can only make them worse.

This has nothing to do with Dem-vs-Pub. This - has to do with a racist police force.

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The police deparment in Baltimore is run by - African-Americans. nm

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That doesn't mean the police aren't still racist. - Would a snapped spinal cord have

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happened to a white suspect in custody? Not too likely.

I don't think anyone is proposing more government. - nm

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People do have a right to peaceful protest,. - but what about property rights?

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no msg

peaceful protesters are not violating anyone's rights -- - -- rioters are doing that

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That's why it's called a riot. There is lawlessness in the streets brought on by longstanding unrest and institutionalized abuses of authority.

Imagine the cost savings of ensuring a civil and law-abiding police force? We can't spend years of time and money defending a broken system and expect to end up with safe communities. We have chosen our priorities and we are reaping the results.

When the property owners condone police - brutality, and vote against - sm

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things such as extended unemployment, free education or career training, then their rights can get trampled, just as easily as they - the more well-off - trample on other people's rights.

If people don't protest and stand up to their - oppressors, things will never change.

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I support the protestors 100%. An arrested suspect should NOT have to die from a severed spinal cord, no matter what they're being arrested for. It's barbaric. The cops think they're legally untouchable.

#OccupyBaltimore!

You support vandalism and violence against - Say what

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people who had nothing to do with that death?? It seems to me those being violent, vandalizing everything and setting things on fire right now are the problem. Two problems don't make a solution.

I support protest. Unfortunately, protesters can't - control who comes on scene and

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starts to cause trouble. For now anyway, it seems to be an unfortunate side-effect. But those things happen even when there's no protest at all happening. Like when some cities' baseball or basketball teams win a big game. Or lose it.

Peaceful protest is an American right. It would be a shame to lose that right because of a few imbeciles that can't control their impulses.

That's sad that you don't care that innocent people - Truthhurts

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are having their businesses destroyed through the anarchist and racist groups that have invaded.

Too many barbaric PEOPLE who feel their have a right to destroy, rob, loot or murder anyone at any time. THIS is the problem. Police are there to try to stop the violence.

There are a few bad cops, but 99% of the cops are good and care about the communities and people they watch over.

So many stories that come out when something like this happens and usually wind up being liars and just trying to get easy money. Didn't take long for it to happen in any of the cities that the media sensationalizes. Do you see the media sensationalizing blacks killing whites? Or black cops killing white criminals? Nope.

Some people are just cattle who follow the main cow with the bell and that's stupid.

Supporting protest isn't supporting rioting - sm

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I think everyone, including most members of the community, care very much about the destruction and harm brought to innocent people.

I don't understand why you think the criminal elements committing crimes are racist. That seems to be a leap. I also don't agree that the people "usually wind up being liars." There is no evidence to support that.

In a most recent case of a cop shooting a citizen, it was the cop that lied and was summarily arrested. That certainly wouldn't prompt me to say that cops "usually wind up being liars."

Your analysis of the post and what I read - in the post sound like

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two different things.

Protests are one of America's freedoms. And - freedom doesnt come free.

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It can get messy. And just because we have certain freedoms, doesn't mean that they will remain forever if we don't keep on standing up for them. I can think of several we've already lost, or are in the process of losing, because Americans don't have the guts to stand up for them. Corporate America (which owns the government and the cops, by the way), would just LOVE to take it all away, and have 100% control over all of us.

That makes me think of sheep, wolves, and - sheepdogs by Dave

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Grossman.

There's an agenda here. That's why the media - sensationalizes these

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stories.

The main agenda is the news channels are - all about the Almighty Dollar.

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Think about the lyrics to that old rock song, "Dirty Laundry", by Don Henly. Every time I hear that song on the radio, I think about the Nightly News on TV, and a local reporter in our city that lost their job because they told the truth, instead of reporting all the sensationalism pap that Corporate wanted them to report.

^ Followup on that... - sm

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What makes you think these business owners - are all "innocent"?

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Some, perhaps. But all? Nuh-uh.

"99% of Baltimore cops are good." - um, we really don't know that

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Unless we live in Baltimore and know 100% of the cops there, there is no way we can jump to conclusions on a percentage figure like that.

Even if we did, "good" is a subjective term. Some people might think it's "good" to shoot African Americans because they assume they're all thugs anyway. Other people might think "good" is giving people the right to a fair trial and treating all people as innocent until proven guilty.

Today they're looting and burning. Dr. King's niece - Truthhurts

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had this to say:
"Dr. Alveda King, niece of MLK while watching the Baltimore riots going on right now involving HS kids:: "During our children's march in 1963 we were calm, we were orderly, we were prayerful. And so we knew how to protest peacefully. No one has instructed these young children. Then the (Baltmore) mayor gives an invitation to destroy. Economically and morally that's a disaster. If she's the head of a city, she should be thinking."

They have 7 police injured, one unresponsive. They just burned CVS pharmacy and when the fire fighters went to put it out, they cut the hose.

Elijah Cummings was at the funeral and I could have swore he was Al Sharpton. He made the funeral political.

Still think the rioters are not thugs and animals?

Sadly I'm not surprised - They are thugs

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that officials on the left like Elijah Cummings don't seem to have a problem with the rioting, vandalism and violence going on right now. Police killing someone needlessly is dead wrong, but so is what's going on in the streets right now. Most of those rioting in Baltimore now don't really care what the cause or issue is, they just want an excuse to act like hooligans.

If there are no consequences to the police killing - those they arrest, then it will

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just keep on happening ad infinitum. As long as police brutality against suspects continues, (still 'innocent' until proven 'guilty'), it should be protested vigorously and their faces should be rubbed it until the 'system' is finally changed. Because right now it doesn't work at all.

True enough, however - burning down your community

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and looting businesses (whose owners did them no wrong) won't accomplish anything. Only thugs loot, with the exception of those starving after Hurricane Katrina looting grocery stores. Period.

Thugs loot, yes. But how do you keep them - away from a legitimate, peaceful

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group of protesters? They almost always manage to find their way in, and end up inciting the violence that the regular protesters are against. Not all of them are your run-of-the-mill "street thugs", either. In Oakland during the Occupy demonstrations, some of the worst inciters of violence turned out to be a group of black-clad, face-covered, Ninja-esque "plants", whose sole purpose in being there was to incite violence so that the police would have an excuse to use all their new war-toys on everyday civilians. And the sad thing is, this didn't just happen once, and it didn't just happen in Oakland. It's happening around the nation. The powers that be want to silence the masses, and calling all protesters "thugs", "looters" and "rioters" is just one way of justifying what they're doing. Open your eyes, people, if your town has an overly-militarized police force, then all this could soon be coming to a town near you.

Since you asked..... - sm

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The right-wing propaganda media slime that want to televise these riots and spew divisive commentary fanning the fames and criticize Elijah Cummings for politicization of it have absolutely no room to talk. Right-wing talking heads are masters at politicization and right-wing politicians have been fund raising and politicizing the tragic deaths of Americans for a long time now.

You asked: "Still think the rioters are not thugs and animals?"

Since you asked: The technique that right-wing media uses to fan the flames that we're now seeing used on this board on a regular basis is called dehumanization; it's the psychological process of demonizing the perceived enemy, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of humane treatment. Like the City of Ferguson personnel sending around e-mails depicting the President of the United States as a monkey, referring to African Americans as dogs, etc., all of this type garbage feeds into the fanning the flames and mistreatment of humans. This type of dehumanization has been used throughout the centuries and leads to increased violence, human rights violations, war crimes, and even genocide because this type propaganda and making jokes in this vein all serve to fan the flames that make otherwise decent and God fearing people see other humans as fair game to treat as they wish since they're considered subhuman.

You can type that they are animals a million times, and it will never make it a true statement.

You're right, SM. Did you see one of the most - recent Fox News "interviews"? msg

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The guy interviewing an African American city official doesn't even listen to a word the guy says in answer to his questions. Instead, he just keeps repeating the same inflammatory statements and phrases over and over again. Meanwhile, the reporter keeps looking around to see if anyone is noticing what a "big-shot reporter" he considers himself to be. Almost funny, if it weren't such a serious problem in this particular news media network.

Since you don't watch Fox news - you didn't see....

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the coverage of the large group of people walking down the street in Baltimore singing...I wish I could remember what they were singing - but it was a very uplifting moment that Fox news was very proud to cover - of the people from the community showing that they will rise up from this and showing that what is happening on the streets that all other news outlets were covering was not the only thing that was happening in Baltimore. They did interview those people who were out trying to show solidarity for the community. I wish I could remember what they were singing - they repeated a phrase over and over - what comes to mind is something about "we will rise up" or we are rising up - very positive reporting from Fox News---
but then you wouldn't care about that....

I did watch Fox news last night for about an hour and saw multiple interviews with people on the street - if they interrupted, it was to remind them that they couldn't curse. They tried to ask them what they were protesting "for" and I don't remember if any of them could actually give an answer that wasn't filled with foul language.....

Let me refresh your memory.... - sm

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The song they were singing is called "I Will Trust in the Lord." It's an African American spiritual song.

I will trust in the Lord,
I will trust in the Lord,
I will trust in the Lord till I die.

I'm gonna stay on the battle field,
I'm gonna stay on the battle field,
I'm gonna stay on the battle field till I die.

I'm gonna treat everybody right,
I'm gonna treat everybody right,
I'm gonna treat everybody right till I die.

*****

Fox News had a live camera in Baltimore, and they came across many peaceful protesters and Shep Smith said he thought that they needed to be seen too. Amidst all the fabricated, biased, slanted, psychobabble, and character assassinating "news" you can find on Fox, Shep Smith just might be the single redeeming quality they've got going for them. He's been known to call the Fox talking heads and pundits on their utter ridiculousness. (see link)

As good as he is, poor old Shep can't make up for the other 24/7/365 wall-to-wall crap that the Fox right-wing fear-and-smear propaganda channel foists on trusting people and labels "news." I don't get it either; so much of this "news" is obviously fabricated, no basis in fact, and pure speculation, but people don't question it because it's exactly what they want to hear, even when time after time that Fox has been proven to fabricate.

Why are people so quick to buy into all the lies on Fox? I guess I never will understand the level of pure unadulterated hate towards others that I've seen coming from that so-called "news" network. Do people really believe that Keith Ablow can diagnose people he doesn't know or the President of the United States from television clips? What kind of self-respecting professional would diagnose someone from afar? He's a psychiatrist, not a psychologist, and therefore not qualified to be giving these type of character diagnoses at all, forget about the fact that he's not actually talking to the people he's diagnosing. Are people actually gullible enough to believe this charlatan can actually diagnose the President of the United States on television? Does Ablow in some way empower or inspire people into thinking they have insight into diagnosing other humans they don't know?

I wrote a post on the Politics board to which you responded. Do you now really think you know me? Do you actually have any idea what I care about other than what I wrote on that post? Is that you, Dr. Ablow? Maybe Chuck Krauthammer? I'd venture to guess maybe some of the other media diagnostic psychiatric commentators, but Fox News is the only "news" network that actually employs what I refer to as the psycho babblers. :)

Like MSNBC? They televised it all night too. - Truthhurts

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Oh, but that's different, right?

Why, yes! Since you asked, it is very, very different. - sm

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The idiot talking heads on MSNBC aren't sitting around and spinning tall tales like the idiots on Fox News sitting around spewing psychobabble drivel about how Baltimore being burned is all Obama's fault and are not like the other hot bag of wind radio shock jocks claiming that this kind of thing in Baltimore is going to keep happening as long as black people keep voting for Democrats.

Fox News wasn't around in 1992, but if they were, can you in your wildest dreams imagine the talking heads on Fox News sitting around for 6 days and blaming the widespread looting, arson, assault, 50+ murders, and over $1 billion in property damage that was done then on President George H. W. Bush? Can you imagine a Fox News host blaming the violence against the police in Los Angeles on President Bush 41 and asserting that "there is a war on law enforcement" that is being corroborated if not condoned by the Bush administration? Can you imagine a Fox News television psychiatrist in 1992 diagnosing Bush 41 as part of "read my lips" the root of the country's problem?

Better yet, you don't even have to use your imagination for this one, do you remember the weeks and weeks of news after 9/11--after watching the streets of New York City in chaos and watching the twin towers burn and fall to the ground--a psychiatrist on Fox News making the claim that President George W. Bush wasn't doing enough to protect the U.S. from terrorists because "how can you protect a country you don't like?" Think about that.

Fox News is propaganda. They're fanning the flames, and people aren't putting 2+2 together anymore. They're listening to this drivel on Fox News and in right-wing propaganda media that is designed to enrage and keep them agitated and blaming their fellow Americans and blaming government for the country's problems. Why do you suppose Fox only points the finger at government when a Bush is not President of the United States?

Yet if we get a third President Bush in office in 2017, very much like we saw happen in 2009, Fox will flip the script, turn on a dime, and start back with the daily rhetoric of what a terrific government we have and how people that don't support our nation building efforts in the Middle East are traitors to their country.

Can't people ever stop for just one teeny, tiny second and figure out the fact that real news media don't constantly find fault when one party is running government and flip the script back to government is great when the other party is leading it? Figure it out, people. "News" that constantly informs its viewers that the world's ills can almost always be traced back to a few Democrats is NOT news! Blaming the current administration for the deaths of 4 dead Americans while giving a pass to the previous one for the deaths of 3,000 is not objective news reporting!

I remember Fox criticizing Pres. Bush many - times. NM

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NM

And probably all 3 of their viewers saw it. - NM

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I wonder if this poster is trying to be comical or - sm

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if they really believe that news from cable television--regardless of the call letters being FNC or MSNBC or CNN--does not get posted on the Internet where millions and millions of viewers are not seeing it?

The 70+ crowd who comprise the majority of the viewers of FNC get their news on television; they always have. Many young people today don't even own television sets. They watch television programs on demand on their computer monitors by subscribing to services like Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and Netflix and don't even own a television set.

If you think MSNBC does not have viewers because they're not being measured by the Nielsen cable news averages, allow me to be the first to inform you that you are totally incorrect about this.

Have a nice evening. :)

Sounds like a bunch of excuses for bad - behavior. NM

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NM

The rioters may be, but the protesters are NOT. - But they have no control over thugs.

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If you bring in the third world, you get the - third world. nomsg

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It's become a channel for volumes of rage - instead of enough anger

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to prompt an honest investigation.

So many of the "protesters" are not from Baltimore, but - are street gangs from LA and

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others making things worse.

What? Now I've heard everything. - nm

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So they're bussing in "street gangs from LA"? - nm

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So wait... you're saying the problems in Baltimore - are the result of... IMMIGRANTS?

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LOL! UNbelievable.

Perspective on rioting - sm

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This says what I have been thinking and trying to convey.

When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling time out, it exposes itself as a ruse.

When nonviolence is preached as an attempt to evade the repercussions of political brutality, it betrays itself. When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling time out, it exposes itself as a ruse. When nonviolence is preached by the representatives of the state, while the state doles out heaps of violence to its citizens, it reveals itself to be a con. And none of this can mean that rioting or violence is "correct" or "wise," any more than a forest fire can be "correct" or "wise." Wisdom isn't the point tonight. Disrespect is. In this case, disrespect for the hollow law and failed order that so regularly disrespects the rioters themselves.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/nonviolence-as-compliance/391640/#disqus_thread

The problem is that so many jump in with their opinions half to three-quarters of the way through the story. They weren't there for the beginning and they certainly won't be there for the end.

Perfectly said. Thank you so much for posting this. - nm

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Thank You. - nm

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Dr. King- "A riot is the language of the unheard." - nm

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Well finish it. What came after that one liner? - Truthhurts

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In an interview with Mike Wallace, Dr. King stated:

"I will never change in my basic idea that non-violence is the most potent weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for freedom and justice. I think for the Negro to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral."

The above quote should be written in the sky in Baltimore and any other city that the thugs try to take over.

He also stated his views on violence (I have separated the sentences so they would stand out). He was a very wise and truthful man.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy."

"Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

"Through violence you may murder the liar,but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth."

"Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate."

"In fact, violence merely increases hate."

"So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that."

"Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."

Here is what came after the very powerful one-liner... - sm

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And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.

And he also called on the clergy to help spread his - message in the church,

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something that's not popular here.

What are you talking about??? - different poster

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And what does this even have to do with the topic at hand? I don't think anyone has a problem with CLERGY spreading their message in CHURCH (or in the community). That's where clergy belongs (NOT in the government).

Because religion it is said has no place - in politics and it's relevant

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to the discussion.

I'm the poster who answered the question - sm

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about the "one-liner." I don't understand what's religious about that.

It's called tribalism. - NM

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NM

It is all tribalism--the police activity is protecting - their tribe too

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I sure hope the comment of it being tribalism wasn't a derogatory remark, and was a purely sociopolitical observation.

When is something the right says NOT a - derogatory remark? lol

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Tribalism vs subculture - see msg for definitions

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Merriam Webster:

Subculture: "A group that has beliefs and behaviors that are different from the main groups within a culture or society."

Tribalism: "Tribal consciousness and loyalty; especially exaltation of the tribe above other groups: strong in-group loyalty"

Tribalism would only make sense if it was only African Americans or even just the impoverished rioting, but it's not. Especially the "exaltation" aspect of the definition is missing in this case. Since none of those things apply, the rioters more closely fit the definition of subculture, meaning that this behavior is not the norm for either society OR a culture within it.

Political and religious extremist groups sure do check all the boxes of the definition of tribalism, though, especially the group-exaltation/superiority-complex part.

"animal" is a euphemism here - sm

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The videos tell a story about rioters and unlawful behavior. The videos are NOT telling a story about why more blacks are in jail than whites.

"Animal" is becoming the new "N-Word", as it is being used as a stand-in for more pointed and obvious racial slurs.

I don't really care what name you apply to violent rioters. I do have concern about how euphemisms are being used to take the place of the usual racial epithets.

Using the A-word rather than the N-word doesn't give one a bigger halo. No one is confused by its use.

Who makes up this stuff? - NM

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nm

It's the rules of logic and debate for radicals - method. Make up stuff

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because who can prove otherwise?

Posting my opinion isn't making stuff up. - Calling me a radical IS, however. sm

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There is no logic in referring to my opinion as made-up stuff. There is no debate in calling me a radical.

How shall we characterize your method of logic and debate?

Saying the word animal is a euphimism for - the N-word? I don't think

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so.

That sounds pretty radical to me. The evidence - doesn't support your conclusion

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so the evidence is in error.

no, not just saying the word - sm

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I was careful to be clear regarding my opinion of the use of euphemism in the context of racially charged subjects.

Okay, I stand corrected. My apologies - for the misunderstanding. nm

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nm

I vocifereated an inexactitude. - nm

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epithets and euphemisms are only used by the real "tribalists" - sm

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That word was used earlier in this thread and according to Merriam-Webster, tribalism is actually behavior exhibited by those only loyal to their culture and consider their group "exalted" above other groups.

True "tribalists" use such derogatory euphemisms/epithets to describe members of other "tribes" not only because they truly believe other "tribes" are inferior, but because they have no understanding/empathy of what it must feel like to be chronically treated as an inferior, not to mention their only experience with members of any other "tribes" is from watching the worst-case scenario members make headline news.

They don't realize the majority of other "tribe" members don't behave that way, in much the same way as they apparently have no awareness that the rest of the world thinks Americans are all stupid, lazy, arrogant, ungrateful, greedy, vapid, vain, gold-digging and shallow Kim Kardashians because their only experience with Americans is what they see on the news and TV.

None of these blanket-generalized stereotypes are true, and yet the small-minded, arrogant, ignorant, gullible, uneducated and inexperienced will continue to believe and use such derogatory terms. It's to be pitied, really. Because like medieval villagers, they lack greater experience with the world at large and their minds are so small, they feel threatened by anything new and different and lash out at it; quite simply, they don't know/weren't taught how to behave any better

Seductive logic and preductive logic, neither of - which I agree with. nm

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those are made-up terms - sm

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The truth is in the caricature, however, - there is wisdom in this

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Those aren't legitimate logic terms, but which statements are considered unsound or invalid? - sm OP

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If you've ever studied logic at a university level, you will know an argument is either sound or unsound, valid or invalid, and the logic used is either deductive or inductive, but there is no such thing as "seductive" or "preductive" logic.

I'd be happy to debate the argument point further, but first I would need an actual argument rebuttal other than just "I don't agree with it."

To be clear, my argument was:

"Premise #1: Some people from a specific tribe called members of another specific tribe "animals" without mention of a single exception.

Premise #2: Some people from the same specific tribe asserted animal behavior as being inferior to human behavior.

Argument Conclusion: Therefore, some people from a specific tribe believe all members of another tribe are inferior to themselves as humans."

If the premises are sound, then the argument is valid, sorry.

However, if the premises are NOT sound, then adjustments would need to be made by the OP and others to include any exceptions to their original declarative statements.

Thus far, no such adjustments have been made to the premises and no rebuttal arguments have been given. Until those things happen, the the premises are considered sound and my argument is valid as truth, whether we like that truth or not.

It sounds like you are debating yourself, and any - brevity is the key to

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communication.

And yet the brevity in this communication still provided no true rebuttal argument against my point - sm OP

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I'm not easily distracted off debate points by focusing on irrelevancies or insults, but it's okay, I'll just wait for that debate point rebuttal against my actual point, then. Thanks

I don't know what it is you want to debate. I thought - we cleared up the misunderstanding

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about the word animal.

Apparently there is another "sm" commenting in this thread - sm OP

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I see the misunderstanding you're talking about above, but that's not me. I put an "OP" after mine to distinguish between us, but apparently it didn't help. Sorry for the confusion

sm --see message -- nm--no message - xx

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