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How Occupy Wall Street Protesters

Posted: Nov 3, 2011

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Big-Money Media has got it wrong. It's hard to get - the real story from up in a news helicopter.

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Occupy Wall Street has become infiltrated by THUGS - Anyone respectable would call it off! nm

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Oh, please. 20 Berkeley rent-a-thugs infiltrating what - was close to 80,000 in the streets - sm

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of Oakland the other night doesn't exactly constitute an infestation.
Like I said, you weren't there on the ground to see what really happened. The television evening news version is so off-base and out-of-touch with reality, it's laughable.

If you want a little break from reality in the evenings, turn on the network news. But if you want the truth in this country, unfortunately you have to go out of your way in search of it.

I saw the what really happened with my own eyes, as it happened. What the ABC, NBC and CBS talking heads reported the following night didn't in any way resemble what actually happened in Oakland.

PS: Even the media's math was fuzzy. They claimed - only 7,000 protesters. (sm)

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Somehow they accidentally-on-purposely seemed to "misplace" the other 73,000! That's the only thing the helicopters were good for - the overhead shots near the port were of probably 50,000+ people.

When the TP was infiltrated by THUGS, they did no such thing. - The first thing OWS should do is

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identify who the thugs are. Since they all wear masks and only show up for protests and are not present at the various camp sites, there is a distinct possibility that they are not OWS sympatizers at all, but rather folks whose primary objective is to discredit and force OWS to disband....just as you have suggested.

Read my lips. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Your last sentence was interesting, because a - (sm) - Pro-Occupy

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friend and I were discussing that very same possibility last night. These thugs were actually a bit different than the usual rent-a-thugs we see at just about every large gathering of people. They all had the following characteristics:
1. They were all white men.
2. They all wore black from head to toe.
3. They wore black baclavas over their faces, not just scarves or gas masks.

The thugs don't live at the camp sites. They aren't welcome there. Their primary purpose was to cause property damage, knowing full well that that is what the TV media would film and focus on, not peacefulness and clean streets. That doesn't sell newspapers, and commercial ad spots on TV. Mayhem sells.

Occupy didn't throw things at the police to encourage them to shoot. It was once again the thugs.

As time passes, it may become more of a priority for them to identify and pre-emptively remove the thugs. But for the time being, the best defense Occupy has against them is its own growing numbers. The ratio in Oakland was about 1 bad guy to every 4,000 good guys.

LOL - it's kind of like our own error-to-correct-transcription ratios, isn't it?! We type thousands of clean lines that never get acknowledged, but man oh man - let one little omitted punctuation mark get discovered, and boy do we ever hear about it. Same with big protests and the Bad Apples. The good guys get ignored, and the bad guys get all the publicity.

The OCCUPY people are hurting the people they - "intended" to help -the taxpayer!!

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There have been tons of arrests, destruction, lost jobs... all caused by the Occupy crowd! Go home, people! You have completely ruined whatever your message was intended to be!

In your dreams. OWS is here to stay. - Deal. nm

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Yeah..LOL Occupy is not protesting, instead LIVING - there. Pathetic.. give it up.nm

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nm

If you're an MT you should know how to - look up the word OCCUPY.

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You did, however, get the pathetic part right. Look, we get it, nm. You're not shy when it comes to exposing your own ignorance. Big fat whoop.

Ignorance is bliss until somebody gets hurt! To - compare Occupy to TP is a joke!

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TP did not injure police officers, litter, destroy property, urinate and defecate on police cars, etc. OCCUPY has no clear message or purpose other than to cause trouble. They are an embarrassment to the USA.

TP is about bigotry, radical right-wing government, - and inequality. OWS is about equality.

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Unless, of course, you are homeless and want a meal. - Where is that equality?

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I want equality. All those OWS can feel free to be equal and get a JOB to pay for their own stuff, much like they want the homeless to do.

Washington Times is owned by the moonies. - me

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It's hard to take anything they say seriously.

it certainly does hurt "real" people - tired of it

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my husband owns a trucking company and could not unload his trucks in Oakland because those idiots are blocking the ports. How exactly is that showing the "big guy" anything? He lost his loads coming back because he couldn't get his trucks unloaded. These idiots need to go home and get a job and contribute to society. They don't even know what they are protesting for.

My husband owns a trucking company - sm

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and often works at various Texas ports. I asked him what he would have done in the same situation. His response was to inform the return load agents and family of the delay, back off from the protest, sit tight, and wait for law enforcement to clear the area of what obviously would be a temporary situation. He also said he realizes the black masked anarchists do not represent the Occupy movement and is curious to know exactly who is behind the agitators, who are not only intent on destructive counter-productive tactics, but also appear to be interested in discrediting the movement.

Apparently he is not alone in this sentiment. Andrez Quintanilla, a 28-year-old truck driver, was trying to drop off a load at the port in Oakland, but was forced to cool his engines outside the entrance. "It's good what they're doing," he said. "They're trying to make sure everyone has their rights, but I wish they would let me go. I need to go home."

Evidently, he felt his temporary inconvenience did not merit instant denouncement of the entire movement, if this level-headed response is any indication. Obviously, you don't understand what they are protesting, but THEY certainly do. There is little difference between this stage of the Occupy movement and the early days of TP organization, who had to deal with similar situations with their violence-prone fringe elements. The vast majority of its participants deplore those behaviors and are in the process of formulating strategies to identify exactly who they, expose them, distance themselves from them, isolate them and otherwise prevent them from highjacking their efforts with their unwelcome thuggery.

Democracy is messy. Stay tuned. This too will pass, sooner rather than later.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/02/BA8Q1LPI1J.DTL

Oh please. Overall, this is just a mess and makes - Americans look ignorant.. accomplishing nothing! n

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nm

The only thing that looks ignorant - here is

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these drive-by pot shots. You will never succeed in insulting OWS into submission. Give it up, dear. Obviously, what the phenomenal growth of this movement in such a short period of time repesents is far bigger than you are capable of wrapping your brain around.

She probably doesn't even realize that OWS is not - a local thing anymore; its GLOBAL. n/m

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Got an idea for you. Go get your handout in Greece.LOL - We are next, so have fun. nm

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nm

That OWS wants handouts is a figment of your - overactive imagination

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not to mention an overblown useless piece of wingnut propaganda.

OWS is SELF-SUSTAINING. Just like America - USED TO BE.

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The only ignorant Americans are the ones who - think "the status quo is the way to go".

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"Who cares if my neighbors can't afford to put food on the table? I've got MINE, and that's all that matters. To heck with everyone else!"

Enjoy it while ya still got it, babe.

That is just crazy. You are unbelievable. I make just - enough to get buy, yet dont want yours!

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You feel entitled to take from others? Be so proud of yourself and teach your kids that, then. I would rather be proud to make it on my own. Your insinuation if unfair and plain disgusting. Guess you been hangin with the Occupy people way too long. Good luck with that.

Wrong. Fair share is a two-way street. - nm

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so your solution - tired of it

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so your solution is to wait it out. Would you be so generous if it were your income at stake. The driver still has to be paid. And we have set contracts with set customers to deal with not brokering agents. They aren't very forgiving when their product does not get picked up and delivered according to our contract with them. That driver has no idea the cost of doing business. He still gets his paycheck.

i know this is off the wall but used as a demonstration. If someone were protesting the internet and somehow could shut it down for a even a couple of days would your attitude be "just wait it out, it will be over soon" as you are loosing money by not being able to work.

I think not.

Hasn't your trucker hubby ever had to wait out a snow - storm? A layover? Breakdown?

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As for the Internet, that's where most of the power lies. Protests are temporary.

Just wait til OWS decides to start targeting some of the evil corporations in this country. A cyber attack can annihilate them... you know that, don't you?

Hopefully it won't be the company your husband drives for, or delivers to.

My husband's response was based on that same premise. - His business is also contract driven

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and every time he carries a load, his income and his contracts are at stake. It's not a question of being "generous." If you don't wait it out and drop the load, then not only do you not get paid for that load, but also for the one you cannot pick up on the return trip....just as you say happened to your husband. It's a matter of practicality.

Trucks have flats, water pumps go out when the beds are fully loaded and drivers have to wait for hours to get a mega-tow off the freeway in rush hour traffic, winches give out in the middle of a lift, titles and port paperwork are not always in order, the yard folks leave the wrong set of keys before going home for the evening, accidents tie up traffic for hours and hours with no bail out exit in sight, weather conditions change in the blink of an eye...delays happen, all in the course of a day's work. You are assuming the the Oakland driver is an employee. If that actually was the case, then his job was on the line, but still he managed to keep a level head about exactly what he had encountered. I'd be willing to bet he got paid for the load the barricades delayed AND the one he picked up a couple of hours late on his way back.

You are right. Your internet analogy is off the mark. It makes no sense whatsoever that local law enforcement agents and city officials would allow a port to remain shut down for more than a few hours by a crude barricade and a throng of protestors. As it turned out, Oakland responded in a timely and efficient fashion, didn't they?

BTW, our internet service was interrupted for 3 weeks after Hurricane Ike. We were among the fortunate. Some folks went 4 months. We did not sit around wringing our hands blaming mother nature or the power company for our inconvenience, loss of my MT income or my husband's interrupted communications with his contractors. We did not give a second thought to trying to find a scapegoat for our misfortunes. We went without electricity for the duration, and spent our time outside in the community helping our neighbors clean up, cleared debris from our street, then our neighborhood, and otherwise organized and consolidated efforts with one another to mitigate the crisis.

Later on, we took to the streets and began pulling abandoned local cars out of drainage ditches, off freeways and from under overpasses, found out how to arrange for a first responder's licence, then proceeded to branch out with these same efforts all up and down the Gulf Coast region. We worked long hours, many of them without pay, made a bunch of new friends and garnered a couple of dozen new long-term transport contracts in the process. We lost 4 existing contracts with folks we are much better off not working for and replaced them with contracts with people who now will bend over backwards to keep us busy. In other words, we tried to make the very best of a really bad situation by counting our blessings instead of our gripes.

Exactly. The message is never clear and has turned - into nothing but ignorance. nm

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You know the reason OWS isn't choosing a single, - narrow target, dont you?

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If you truly don't know the answer to that, then you need to get off your duff and do some serious self-education, hon.

It's not like it was any surprise the port was going - to be closed; everyone knew about - sm

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it days in advance. The media knew it, the port knew it, and the po-po knew it. The loads should have been rescheduled in advance. His dispatchers are the ones to blame if he lost a load.

The protests will likely not be permanent. They are merely a warning shot over the bow, if you will. Protests are just to direct attention to the problem. Your husband, as a trucker, is NOT one of the elite 1%. He works hard for a living. And I'll bet he doesn't get paid anywhere near what his skills and time are worth, either, are they? And exactly what will be left to transport, as more and more of American products are made in other countries, and/or if the people here can't afford to buy them?

I love the "get a job" sentiment expressed. MOST of the people protesting DO have jobs. I have a job, and I was there. Because I know that eventually, some broad in India or China is gonna be doing my job, and in my old age, I'm likely to become one of the millions in this country on the government dole, unless American business doesn't change its attitudes towards its own workers.

Closing the Port of Oakland for 24 hours was NOTHING. Believe me. It was a mere muscle-flexing. They have no beef against truckers, or dock workers (half of whom were protesting, I might add). And they know VERY CLEARLY what they are protesting against. Think of every single thing that's chipped away at your own family's security for the last decade. I mean, good god - you're an MT for crying out loud. The inequities and unfairness of this profession alone are more than worth being on the front lines with a sign, yourself.

Are you underwater on a home loan? Hidden bank fees sucking your savings dry? Unable to get healthcare coverage for a pre-existing condition? How much does your grocery bill go up every month? Or your heating bill? And when did you last see a substantial raise? Do you think healthcare has IMPROVED since most of it became controlled by stockholders? Don't you just LOVE your HMO?

Change is hard. It can get messy and inconvenient. But I think that's a very small price to pay for an attempt at making a change for the better in our corrupt government, our corrupt businesses, and our corrupt country. To take the "easy" road, and simply pretend everything is just fine the way it is now, will ultimately become the biggest mess America has ever seen, if we don't DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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