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Hate Crimes : Get Ready For Pointless Grandstanding


Posted: Oct 29, 2009

President Obama hasn't even signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act yet, but right-wing activists are already "challenging" it ... or at least their warped version of it.

Here is the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission vowing to defy the legislation:

"The fact the hate bill had to be passed in such an unscrupulous and cynical manner (attaching it to the Defense Authorization Act) reveals the depth of President Obama's commitment to a radical, anti-Christian agenda. He will stop at nothing to undermine the will of the majority of Americans to pay back militant homosexual activists who raised millions of dollars for his campaign and worked to get him elected."

"To sign the bill in the Rose Garden is another slap in the face and shows the level of contempt President Obama has for the majority of Americans who oppose the "homosexualization" of marriage and public education."

"The Christian Anti-Defamation Commission will soon be announcing its plans, along with other leading pro-family groups, to defy, counter and challenge this unconstitutional attack on our religious liberty."

And here is Gordon Klingenschmitt daring Obama to prosecute him:

In other words, A) pastors may quote the Bible publicly if their "intention" is the free exercise of religion or speech, but B) pastors may not quote the Bible publicly if their "intention" is to conspire with listeners to commit an act of violence. This begs the question, if the pastor never announces whether the unspoken "intention" of his heart is A or B, how can any prosecutor, judge, or jury know whether the pastor's secret thoughts intended A) free exercise or B) conspiracy? Without revealing the secret intention of my own heart, whether A or B, I hereby publicly quote both Romans 1:32 and Leviticus 20:13:

Romans 1:32 -- "Men with men working that which is unseemly...who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death."

Leviticus 20:13 -- "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

I further invite President Barack Obama, as the chief law enforcement official of America, to discern the secret thoughts and intentions of my heart, and to prosecute me for conspiracy or inciting the violent crimes of others who might read my words and act upon them, if he dares to think he knows or can prove my motives were not pursuant to the free exercise of religion or speech.

Of course, neither CADC or Klingenschmitt nor anybody else is going to be prosecuted for speaking out or "defying" this and they know it.  After all, the legislation expressly protects free speech and religious freedom:

(4) FREE EXPRESSION- Nothing in this division shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual's expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual's membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs.

(5) FIRST AMENDMENT- Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed to diminish any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

(6) CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS- Nothing in this division shall be construed to prohibit any constitutionally protected speech, expressive conduct or activities (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), including the exercise of religion protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States and peaceful picketing or demonstration. The Constitution of the United States does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.

But just because the legislation poses no threat to their religious freedom or right to free speech, amazingly that is not going to stop some on the Right from trying to use the legislation to turn paint themselves as martyrs.

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Let's not forget Jesse Dirkhising ..... - NM

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While both sides are grandstanding for their own causes, let's not forget this boy who was brutalized and murdered by two homosexuals. JESSE DIRKHISING.

Progressives/liberals are a bunch of hypocrits. How do you guys sleep at night.

Jesse Dirkhising's murder.. - NMMT

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could never be considered a "hate crime" because the homosexuals who brutalized him did it out of "love" and the "normal and natural" instincts they were born with. No hate there..... (insert sarcasm)

Child molestation and pedophilia - NJ

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Let's make a distinction between homosexuality and child molestation/pedophilia. A pedophile/child molester is a monster no matter what their orientation. However, the vast majority are white heterosexual guys. We don't hate all white heterosexual guys because of that, now do we? 


Profiling a pedophile



Child molester stats


NJ

You are so correct..sm - NMMT

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A monster is a monster and a pervert is a pervert. You are making a judgement in determining that the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual white guys. They may be closet homosexuals for all you know, just waiting to emerge. Just because some perversion is between consentual adults, doesn't make it any less perverted. Only the act of homosexuality is to be hated. If you choose to label yourself by a perverted act, you will have to deal with the repercussions of that choice. I am not referring to abuse or violence. I am referring to being avoided and possibly vilified. Some people may have the urge to harm others. Some prefer to just stay completely away. It is called choice. ;-)
No, I'm talking crimes against kids - NJ
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The facts are there, compiled by people who care about stopping crimes against kids. If you would look into it at all, you would understand. It is not a judgement of mine; it is merely a fact that most of those who would commit a sexual crime against kids in this country are straight white guys and most of the victims are little girls.

The pervert part that you like to talk about is a belief held by an ever-shrinking segment of the population who, more and more studies are showing, probably have self-loathing over their fascination and attraction to homosexuality. Your closet is for clothes.

NJ
People who compile...sm - NMMT
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crime statistics go by what the "criminals" tell them which can change on a whim. Not really accurate stats. You only wish that belief was shrinking. You are running in the wrong circles, obviously. ;-) You keep making false observations of the homosexual cliques. No one is listening any more.
Your words are ignorant and you obviously have an agenda against gay men...sm - oldtimer
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There are straight perverts and there are homosexual perverts. There are straight people and homosexual people who are not perverts. Most perversion amoung homosexuals is against boys and most heterosexual perversion is by men against girls. The highest numbers are committed by white men against little girls. Sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with sexual crimes against children. I pity you if you think that you only need to protect your children from homosexual people. You are overlooking a huge very dangerous segment of the population. The people you least suspect will be the ones you should trust least with your children. These are FACTS.
That is your opinion, not mine...sm - NMMT
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There are perverts...period. Some sexual activities are perverted and homosexual acts, even with a consentual adult, happen to be perverted acts. Also sex acts with children or animals. Any person who considers themselves to be homosexual is admitting to a perversion. Of course, there are some men who like boys and some like girls. I would call them both perverts but even an adult who has sex with someone of the same sex is, in my opinion as well as God's, a pervert and sinful. Children need to be protected from adults who desire to commit sexual acts with them, regardless of what label you want to give the offender. Those are the FACTS.
Homosexuality is NOT perverted - me
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You ought to be ashamed invoking God's name in your blanket condemnation of homosexuality as 'perversion' - just who do you think CREATED the people you are so quick to judge so harshly?

God created.. - NM
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God created man. He did not create homosexuals, murderers, or child molesters. Man created them. Just as guns do not kill, man does.

Just another liberal/progressive excuse (but you guys have no shame).
Baloney - and you know this on some level. - me
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You conveniently missed the entire point, but that's not surprising. You are so busy judging and despising you have forgotten God/Jesus' main tenets.

Your heart is hard, your facts are wrong.
No, God does that. I don't need or want His job - NMMT
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It doesn't mean I can't repeat His words. ;-)
Phoney - me
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Interpret him anyway you choose to.

Phony ??? Far from it... - NMMT
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I'm not the one choosing to ignore what God tells me is wrong. That makes me very honest. A phony misinterprets. ;-)
Has anyone ever told you that you clearly - Colleen
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have "issues"-because you clearly do. Issues with blind hatred, issues with passing judgement on others, in particular people you don't know, and your form of judgement comes out in an especially hateful, nasty form. Really. You need to take a break and maybe see if your meds need to be increased because the way you attack others is no good, and definitely not Christ-like.
You don't know me - NM
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so why are you attacking me and passing judgment on me. I follow my conservative beliefs, you follow your progressive/liberal beliefs. I am one of the fortunate ones that does not need to be on meds. Your post was very hateful, insulting, and nasty and that was not very "Christ-like." You should practice what you preach. "Go Hug a Tree."
I think that if you were to look at your post and then - Colleen
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look at mine, you will see mine is not hateful at all. It is stating a fact that you tend to attack people flat out. There is no discussion, just attack, attack, attack as exemplified in your response. So much constant anger and hatred is not good for you.
My suggestion - NM
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to you is to read my posts more carefully, I am not the one who constantly attacks people. You have my posts obviously mixed up with someone else who constantly attacks people on this board. I would also suggest you find someone else to vent your frustrations out on, otherwise I will report you to the moderator. Leave me alone.
God says it is. I believe Him, not you. - NMMT
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YOUR interpretation says it is... - me
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But for the multitude of devout homosexuals who WALK THE WALK - they know their God loves and accepts them.

He loves them. He does not accept their sin. - NMMT
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You can't be "devout" and completely ignore the things God tells you are wrong. Better keep reading. You missed the important parts. ;-)
Judgemental - go away - me
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Look You have made your ignorant, judgemental position clear, and I have stated what I think, too.

We aren't going to change each other's mind - so we'll just agree to disagree.
Definitely... ;-) - NMMT
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Judge not lest you be judged. sm - nosa
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The only requriement to get into heaven is a belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Right? My Jesus is not yours.
Apparently not... - NMMT
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If you've ever read your Bible--Revelations in particular, it tells us that homosexuals, liars, thieves, etc, will not be in heaven. Can't get any more plain than that, now can He?? My Jesus is the one of the Bible. You should trying reading His best seller. You'll learn a lot. ;-)
You should know then that it's Revelation - nnm
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Next time you use the Bible to pass judgment maybe you will sound less uninformed........ maybe.
You may be old, but still have a lot to learn. - NMMT
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I am old enough to not have to answer to anyone but myself and my God...sm - oldtimer
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My single mother back in the 40s taught me that Jesus said "judge not" (He is the final judge), love thy neighbor (truely love and treat every single person alive how you would want to be treated, no if, ands or buts.) She also taught me to be forgiving and not to wish anyone harm. to have a positive attitude even in the face of adversity, also to ask myself at the end of the day "WWG say about your day". She was a great Mom. I wish you an open mind and an open heart.
Thank you for that post, oldtimer - Colleen
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I will never understand how so many people call themselves "Christians" but are not able to see how their own behaviors and attitudes are seriously un-Christ-like.
"crime statistics go by what the "criminals" tell them" - Just the big bad
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Absolutely right! They couldn't possibly go by the numbers provided by the actual crimes committed (much less the stats provided by information on criminals who have been caught) to get these stats, because the ones who REALLY know are the criminals. Do you think they go door to door with those polls, ask if you are a criminal, and if you say 'yes' then you get to take the poll?
"Only the act of homosexuality is to be hated." - Just the big bad
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So, child molestation by heterosexuals is oby kaybe, but if a homosexual does it it's a sin? ROFL...
Now that was really ignorant... ;-) - NMMT
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You should know....(sm) - Just the big bad
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You're the one who said it.
What part of he/she was quoting you did you miss? - me
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Or did *I* misunderstand?

I want religion out of my government - NJ

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Let the preachers say what they want to their flocks...but when they incite those flocks to violence, let them be prosecuted. Christians don't get a pass on something we'd nail Muslims for.

I'd love to see "right" of marriage performed by the state and the "rite" by one's church. For too long, the state has allowed the church to perform this civil ceremony. Let's give the legal part back to the state and let the church do what it is supposed to do, bless that union.

Imagine the howls if a church pushed for the government to mandate that women to wear burkas and not to work outside the home. Everyone would go nuts. But we allow Christian churches to influence our laws about marriage and civil right. Enough!

NJ

Preaching God's Word is not inciting... - NMMT

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and never has been. There have been people who have never set foot in a church and killed, raped and robbed. A preacher cannot control the thoughts or actions of his parishioners. The church influences the majority of the laws, even the civil ones. Surely you must realize that. It is your kind of ideas that will cause the problems that homosexuals are itching to scratch. Regardless of whether homosexuals are allowed to get married by the state or not, those of religious persuasion will never acknowledge their marriage as "endowed by our Creator." That is what homosexuals are pushing for and they will never get it. You cannot enforce me to think or believe what you want me to. Big Brothers are a pain in the ---.

Well, I want government out of my religion - Viking Fan

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Our government is tossing around the idea about whether or not preachers can read certain passages in the Bible about homosexuality. So now they want to censor the Bible?

We can't pray (even silently) in school.

We've taken the 10 Commandments out of our ocurts.

We are pushing God out of America little by little.

Do you every wonder, when we get those really violent thunderstorms, where the thunder is so loud is shakes your house, if maybe that's not just God letting us know how unhappy He truly is?

STAY OUT OF MY RELIGION, GOVERNMENT!

Hear, hear!!!! nm - NMMT

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God threatening me with thunder? - NJ

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Ahahaha, hahaha, hahaha...holy smoly that's funny!

NJ
Thunder - Viking Fan
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I never said it was a direct threat toward you or anyone. I said that *maybe* he was just letting us know how unhappy He is about the way things are going.

Laugh all you want. We have free will to do so. Your life must be pretty together to never need to lean on Him for guidance. I commend that.
I take offense to people who ASSume that....sm - oldtimer
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God is unhappy with how things are going since Obama became president. My God, a God of love, is satisfied with the progress made so far. He is not granting any miracles right now but I believe he approves of the efforts being made, especially in the name of the least amoung us and thoughful consideration of the path to peace.

Personally I love God's thunder. The louder the better! nm - oldtimer who loves thunder and lightening!

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Me, too, especially when the smell of rain accompanies it. (sm) - Nikki
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It gives me a great sense of peace.

OMG I have heard it all now - me

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Are you not aquainted with SEPARATION of church and state?

Would you please DOCUMENT your statement: Our government is tossing around the idea about whether or not preachers can read certain passages in the Bible about homosexuality.

so that we can see if it's reckless opinion - or hard fact.

The 10 COMMANDMENTS never belonged in our courts and neither did prayer in school.

We have the FREEDOM of religion here in the U.S., and that means, for one thing, no one religion has dominance over another in PUBLIC institutions. Deal with it.

It also means we are free to have NO religion if we choose -

And the thunder thing? You are free to choose to interpret it as God 'rumbling' - I see it as the thing that follows lightening.

What the 'religion' proponents need to get a grasp on is that YOUR passion in your religion is not something you can force on fellow citizens in a FREE country - whether through laws - or otherwise.
Did you realize...sm - NMMT
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that the 10 commandments are on display at the United States Supreme Court? Apparently, someone felt they belonged there. LOL No one is trying to force religion on you. Stop trying to force perversion and unGodly acts on those of us who don't want it. As far as praying in school, we can pray any where we want. God will hear us. I pray in public places daily. ;-)
And that's exactly what you should do... - me
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pray whereever you want as long as you don't REQUIRE those around you to participate.

As to the commandments at SC? I didn't state they were not posted in ANY Court - I said they don't *belong* there.

YOU should stop invoking God's name in your ignorant judgemental and harsh condemnation of things you are not educated about.
Now who's uneducated??? - NMMT
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You should maybe do some research before you start spouting about what belongs here or there. You can take your foot out of your mouth now. I could care less who wants to pray or who doesn't but don't assume you can take away that right from me by using the government to bully me. The 10 commandments must belong there or they would take them down. I guess you weren't involved in that decision ;-)
DON'T change the subject - Me
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HELLO?? anybody Home? I did NOT say they were not posted at any Court.

And, I said I BELIEVE, (my opinion) that they do NOT belong in ANY Court.

Get it now?

And... - NMMT
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that is your opinion just as mine is that God knows what He's talking about. Still not home ???
And AMEN to that! Does anyone live in the real world anymore? - Colleen
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Believe what you want about God, Jesus, Allah, Buddah or who or whatever you worship. Have at it in YOUR home and YOUR church. Otherwise, keep it to yourself. I also have the right to not be a part of it. I have a right to send my child to school without having to pray to YOUR God or diety, or sit around while your child does. Pray at home and at church. And thunder is God's wrath? Didn't any of you take any science classes in school?

agreed !! you and millions of others - dem

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Those who are not blinded or simply rebellious about the TRUTH are weary of government telling us what they will "allow" in our lives/faith. Whether or not people believe it, GOD is in CHARGE. Government can pass all the laws they want, but God's people will look to HIM for what is or is not allowed in our lives. Hate crimes bill will only stir up more "hate" in this torn nation. God have mercy !!
Yes it will... - NMMT
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This bill was meant to inflame homosexuals to cause problems for Christians and Obama started the fire. Could be the beginning of the end.

Bozo - anon

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(5) FIRST AMENDMENT- Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed to diminish any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

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Oh, but they're going to stomp on the First Amendment soon enough. Ever hear of the Fairness Doctrine? Waaaah. Waaaaah. Mommy, Fox News said something bad about me. You know what they say about paybacks. We dealt with 8 years of HATRED from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PMSNBC, ad nauseum about Bush. When they couldn't find anything else to pick on about Bush, it was about him being an alcholic, which, by the way, puts him in the same class as Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, Tim Allen and several other famous people.

You're gonna get insults about Obama. Deal with it. And if you voted for the socialist, don't bother to come crying to anyone when he does YOU wrong and YOU don't like it. If you didn't bother to research the man before you voted for him, you deserve everything you get. I have a funny feeling Obama, Pelosi and Co. are going to make Nixon look like Mr. Rogers.

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Amidst internal dissent, George Soros’s shadowy political funding powerhouse is planning to execute a $200 million fundraising campaign this election cycle in order to benefit key groups pushing for a permanent radical left-wing Democrat majority. The billionaire members of the elite fundraising empire known as the Democracy Alliance have reportedly funneled $500 million or more into leftist and pro-Democrat organizations. The goal of the Alliance is to foster a permanent political infrastr ...

Get Ready For Restaurants To Increase Prices. Apr 09, 2017
about to come into effect, and it could sink pizza franchises nationwide. The regulation would require restaurant chains with twenty or more locations to post nutritional information for every item on the menu and every variation of item on the menu. Domino’s executives figured out that there are over 34 million different combinations of toppings for their pizzas. That’s a big sign -- and an expensive one. Domino’s are owned and operated by individual businesspeople, and each new si ...

Get Ready! Michael Flynn Will Be Thrown Under The Bus!May 23, 2017
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