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Ebola in U.S.

Posted: Sep 30, 2014

CDC briefing in 30 minutes.

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Liberals weren't worried. - sm

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They were total naysayers a few weeks back. Check the archives. They only care when their boy king cares. Now he cares, so they must care, too.

I'm sure you are surprised it did not come - across the "border."

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via ISIS or an illegal.

Thank you for not being verbose. - sm

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While I may or may not agree with you, I do appreciate the succinctness of your post (opinion) and not having to muddle through a post marred by verbosity and unnecessary words. Again, thank you.

This is not Africa - sm

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so unlike haters and detractors, we have confidence in CDC protocols, the expertise of our medical staff and the quality of our health care delivery systems. Since science is not our enemy, we also understand the principals of epidemiology, the nature of the ebola epidemic, how the virus is spread and what part unrestricted international travel between Africa and the US plays when assessing spread of disease risks. You are right about one thing. We weren't worried before and aren't worried now about any of those factors or about the eventual outcomes we will have stateside in treating and containing the virus.

What libs find troubling is the inherent ignorance and potential dangers encountered when ill-informed partisan zealots politicize a disease epidemic and how that plays out in the right-wing media and among their loyalists who spread their own virulent versions of unfounded hysteria and bigotry aimed at undocumented and Muslim populations. It is disgusting to watch opportunists treat fellow humans, especially refugee children, as disease personified in their efforts to further stall, obstruct and prevent immigration reform. Their appeal to fear, ethnic and religious hatred is highly offensive to the more civilized among us, including the ever expanding Latino electorate whose votes they seem to believe they can do without. Guess we'll see how well that works out for them in 2016.

Excellent response! - TomQ

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Well written.

Ditto, and did the Tpubs cut funding for disease prevention? - sm

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I think it was across the board cuts. No funds for you!

Not yet. - nm

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nm

Not concerned - TomQ

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This isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue. It's a question of people who understand high-school level epidemiology and those who don't.

Ebola is a terrible disease, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. However, catching it - especially for those of us in the Western world - is not at all easy. Commonplace safeguards are all it takes to contain it, given a modern medical facility.

I'm still not worried.

But it's such a great opportunity... - minx

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...to cower in my bunker and wait for the Rapture.

Supplies - TomQ

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Make sure to take your gun and plenty of PBR. Never know how long you'll have to wait. Could be another 2000 years.

We still aren't worried. We're more likely to - die of rabies or bubonic plague.

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Or get struck by lightning.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. - ll

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nm

What's the alternative? - just asking

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Live in perpetual state of fear that I'll be struck by Ebola? That's no way to live - no thanks.

No, not fear. Just face reality. I have. - Nm

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nm

By doing what, exactly? - ?

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Not being snarky, genuinely curious.

Reality - check

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So you are taking these precautions? No hunting, butchering, processing, cooking, eating and disposing of tainted bush meat? Removing fruit bat soup and monkey brains from the family's menus plans? Avoiding contact with urine, saliva, feces, vomit, mucus secretions, pus, breast milk, amniotic fluid, blood, sweat, and tears of symptomatic patients and vowing not to have sex with infected or surviving males for at least 2 months? Observing strict sterile conditions during hospital, clinic, home, makeshift tent treatment center or village hut visits, not handling any patient laboratory specimens and shunning corpse fatality burials? Cancelling plans to visit Liberia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Dallas as an extra precaution? Good for you. Can't be too careful.

I faced reality a long time ago: I stand - a 100% chance of dying someday.

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True. Living in a state of constant fear will just - raise cortisol & adrenaline levels.

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Which in turn wreak havoc on the body, not to mention the psyche.

Meanwhile, Ebola is not an airborne virus. The best way to avoid any virus is to wash your hands frequently, and use a hand sanitizer every time you touch public places, such as an ATM, punch in your numbers when paying by credit/debit/unemployment card at the store, push a shopping cart, pump gas, use a hand-rail, handle money, etc.

And I would say the best way to avoid stressing out about it would be to turn off the news. We all know all the news channels care about is ratings and money.

How about flu, cancer or just pure - STRESS FROM MT

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xx

I had an aunt who died at age 45 from pneumonia. - me

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The things you don't see coming are what will kill you, nine times out of ten. Just my personal opinion.

You're more likely... - sm

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...to be shot in the good ol' USA than you are to contract ebola. That's a fact.

Here at ground zero, they're reporting on the local news that there may be a second case. - sm

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Operative words here being "MAY BE." The second person that MAY BE infected is a person that is in close proximity to the patient who lived and worked in Liberia before coming to the North Texas area. From all I have seen and heard about this case, I am beginning to try to put all the pieces of the different stories together to try to form the complete picture. I get the feeling that this gentleman that lived and worked in West Africa had decided that he best remove himself from the area due to the outbreak. He decided to move to North Texas where he had family (either a temporary move or a permanent move, I am not certain). Obviously, instead of escaping the outbreak, he unknowingly got on the plane carrying it with him, although he was NOT showing any symptoms on his flight to the area, landing in North Texas on 9/20.

In reading this thread and watching the different media coverage, the comments and coverage seem to be so indicative of what we've seen so many times in the past. The GOP/TP are pushing the scared and afraid angle and attempting to politicize the issue. I have read several GOP/Tea Party websites where people are blaming the "regime" for letting in the Ebola virus by not closing all the borders and shutting down and grounding ALL air travel into the US.

Seriously, people, they are blaming Obama for Ebola and making statements that Obama wants to kill millions of poor Americans. Only in the conservative world of cognitive dissonance and talk of the 47% would the same guy with plans to make all Americans poor and dependent on government to keep them voting Democratic also have plans to kill the poor voters with the Ebola virus.

There's the left's new buzzword(s) again. - Cognitive dissonance.

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Time to come up with a new pet phrase. Time also to read/listen to what Sanjay Gupta has to say before you starting flailing around in anger at the right.

Sanjay Gupta, 09/30/2014 - sm

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Note what he said about breaks in the skin.

I just don't understand why some are so willing to live in fear. - NM

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nm

No one said anything about fear. It's about education. - see message

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Education about hygiene and general cleanliness. The left is very quick to judge anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint.

It's very likely that the affected places in Africa do not have the proper facilities to avoid contamination. They need to learn about hygiene. It's not their fault. It's not any one person's fault. It is what it is. They do not have the proper facilities and supplies.

When the illegals were coming up from Central America via Mexico, they had no facilities to wash their hands or bodies. They didn't even have the availability of toilets or toilet paper.

The left has accused the right of being judgmental. It's not about judgment. It's a fact that they didn't have the proper supplies and facilities.

The left wants to politicize everything. So, it is not fear. It is education. People need to be educated on hygiene. And the left needs to be educated on not politicizing everything.

Just wondering why you assume I'm "the left." - ??

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I was just asking a question.

I am sorry I was not clear. - sm

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I was not assuming anything. I was just stating my opinion.

Willing - TomQ

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Not just willing. They seem almost eager to buy into every overly-alarmist headline, and to embrace all sorts of improbable worst-case scenarios.

I do. It's what the whole right wing is based on. - "Keep em scared so they vote for us."

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I prefer to keep my fears a little more realistic than what the Republicans want us to be scared of. Like alien abduction. Or a zombie apocalypse.

Behavioral sciences so called - buzz words

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may strike fear and loathing in those who feel somehow threatened by scientific concepts, especially ones that apply to human psychology. However, that does not seem to be the case with RW media sources such as Breitbart, Free Republic, American Thinker, Free Beacon and the like. Apparently they are rather fond of that phrase. Maybe they'd be interested in addressing the buzz word gripe, unless this is just another case of RW do as I say, not as I do.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/barack_obamas_constant_state_of_cognitive_dissonance.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2010/11/11/WMD-and-Cognitive-Dissonance

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3096849/posts

New buzzword? LOL - sm

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This poster said: "Time to come up with a new pet phrase. Time also to read/listen to what Sanjay Gupta has to say before you starting flailing around in anger at the right."

I will choose the phrasing of my posts and choose my own news. I don't need instructions from anyone regarding language or a lesson from Sanjay Gupta regarding the Ebola virus.

From reading the latest right wing posts on this board, it seems their new fad is to label anyone that has anything to say that isn't flattering about their extremist politics or political candidates/pundits as "angry." This is a nice touch here to call someone "flailing around in anger."

The extremist party that thrives on fear and smear and owes a large part of its very existence to near permanent paranoia of government and hostility toward the current administration they believe is taking over "their" country has now taken to referring to others that don't share their worldview as "angry." Angry conservatives are assuming liberals are equally fearful and angry. This is classic "projection," and just like the term "cognitive dissonance," it is neither new nor a buzzword.

Well-observed, and perfectly said. Too bad - no one on the right has your insight. nm

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nm

Buzzing - LOL

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You can read or watch whatever you desire. No need to go on the defensive. It's a free country…at least it was the last time I checked. You can also be as repetitious as you'd like with all your posts about cognitive dissonance. Again, it's still a free country. 😊

It's only a free country if you're one of the 1%. - (Or live under a rock, otherwise.)

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nmsg

It's still a free country - sm

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until we're overrun by socialism and/or communism USSR style ala Obamaville.

Possible second case - First person sick

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they probably did not screen properly, but they knew they had been in Africa---they had a responsibility to bring more attention to this.

Remember being in college and walking into the college health clinic with a diffuse rash...they were closed and giving me the evil eye---go home, we don't want you here. I raised my shirt and said, "I live in a dorm, thought you might be concerned about the possibility of measles." Got seen really fast....turned out it was a drug rash...but people have a responsibility to point out, even the obvious, to healthcare workers. (I'm allergic to sulfa)-lol--hope it is not needed in treating Ebola!

Who is they and how many of them - are there?

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The airlines screen passengers for fever and symptoms across all affected countries in Africa since transmission is directly linked to those markers. Incubation is 2-21 days so passengers or airline personnel cannot possibly detect something that is not yet there. If by they you mean ER staff where he was seen and released last week, he had no signs of flu or serious illness. No travel history was taken and he was sent home with an antibiotic. Reports do not say whether or not any lab work was done. A patient who didn't feel sick in Africa or during the first week after arrival in the US would not necessarily realize the travel history was relative unless he was specifically asked about it.

That would be ignorance of virology, I suppose - I would think anyone

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having traveled to Africa would be on alert for any of these symptoms, and, yes, there are going to be a lot of garden-variety illnesses that people are going to worry about until cleared. If you have been to Africa and come up with the beginnings of the symptoms, a person should take extra diligence.

I am listening to a news conference out of Dallas right now and the hospital spokesperson indicated the correct questions were asked but not transmitted to the "rest of the team."

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