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Posted: May 26, 2013

will be $20,000 per year.  LOLOL  - OMG. 

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The above should read Obamacare' - I guess - I was too busy laughing.

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LOL, LOL. Don't really know what it means, but it's a big number... - sm

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so it must be funny.  ::sigh::


 


Hopefully wheres_my_job won't mind me reposting this:


Completey misreading this section....let me explain - wheres_my_job


Posted: Feb 1st, 2013 - 1:00 am In Reply to: Source - IRS

The government is giving examples of UNAFFORDABLE EMPLOYER PLANS. It's explaining that a sufficient employer plan that COMPLIES with the new health care law, cannot cost more than EIGHT PERCENT OF HOUSEHOLD INCOME. I have capitalized below the relevant text:

"Under paragraph (e)(1) of this section, C, D, and E LACK AFFORDABLE COVERAGE for 2016 because their required contribution ($20,000) exceeds 8 percent of their household income ($7,200). 

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Of course you can't afford this - that's the whole point of the new law - to make things affordable. At or below 8 percent, apparently, from what you've shared. 




http://general.mtstars.com/336643.html





More here... - sm

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So, once again, the $20,000 figure is for *illustrative* purposes regarding exemptions and penalties.


 




Example 2. Married employee with dependents. Taxpayers B and C are married, and file a joint return for 2016. B and C have two children, D and E. In November 2015, B is eligible to enroll in self-only coverage under a plan offered by B's employer for calendar year 2016 at a cost of $5,000 to B. C, D and E are eligible to enroll in family coverage under the same plan for 2016 at a cost of $20,000 to B. If B, C, D and E's household income is $90,000, then B has affordable coverage for 2016, because B's required contribution ($5,000) does not exceed 8% of B's household income ($7,200). If the required contribution for C, D and E is B's share of the cost for family coverage is $20,000, then C, D and E lack affordable coverage for 2016, because their required contribution ($20,000) exceeds 8% of their household income ($7,200).


 


http://www.towerswatson.com/en/Insights/Newsletters/Americas/health-care-reform-bulletin/2013/PPACA-Guidance-Individual-Mandate-Minimum-Essential-Coverage-Family-Members-Subsidy-Eligibility


 



Mike Emeigh20+ years of preparing taxes







The quoted paragraph is an example of how the IRS will determine whether or not an individual with access to an employer-sponsored plan will be determine to lack affordable coverage (and is therefore exempt from the tax penalty for failure to have coverage). The numbers quoted are clearly for illustrative purposes only and shouldn't be taken as an indication of what the IRS expects to see once the plans take effect.
  









 


 

Obviously, the ACA is based on income. I - sm
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have NEVER paid 8% or less for insurance coverage.

He's trying to insure EVERYONE, and I think 8% of your income is a very reasonable amount of money to spend for healthcare.

In addition, the ACA's lower rates will FORCE the health insurance companies to FINALLY compete for business, and that's a good thing. It's what capitalism is all about.

that's just not correct - nm

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And yet it's all over the right-wing-o-sphere. - sm

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It often scares me trying to google something like this and seeing how viral (in the most negative sense of the word) this kind of misinformation becomes in the RW reaches of the Internet. They are so in lockstep and unquestioning, it just passes hand to hand to hand, and often escalates, like a bad game of "telephone" that we played as kids.

Like rats abandoning a sinking ship. - Not "like" rats. Just rats (sm)

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Dems running from Obamacare. (link)
"Joseph Curl covered the White House and politics for a decade for The Washington Times - and is now editor of the Drudge Report."
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I should really skip to the author info before wasting my time reading anymore. Though, actually, the fact that it was The Washington Times was clue enough, doh.
You do know that Drudge does not write any of the articles - don't you - sm
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Drudge is a compilation of links. They have links to Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Reuters, Daily Kos, etc.

Drudge is a perfectly acceptable place to read the news happening all over the country whether or not it is from a liberal source.
Funny. Most liberals have no clue what Drudge is. - (they only know what MSNBC tells them to know)
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You do know that Drudge editors have built up - an impressive reputation for
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being a yellow rag, and that editors who select what does and does not appear there are responsible for content, don't you?  Also, Drudge is not only a collection of links.  It frequently boasts about its "exclusive" stories based on "tips" that have failed to pass muster when evaluated and subjected to even the most basic of journalism standards and have been found to be northing more than bogus RW punditry.  (Link #1).  This is not surprising since their viewpoints are considered to be conservative (Links 2,3,and 4)....so much so there have been thorougly organized and researched studies on their bias.  Brill's Content reviewed 51 Drudge "exclusives" published between January and September of 1998 and found that only 61% of them were real exclusives, 32% were false, and another 32% were of questionable accuracy.  


Some of their more salacious false reporting has been fairly high-profile:  


1)  The accusation that Sidney Blumenthal (a Clinton WH assistant) was hiding a sinister dark side that included wife beating.  That one promptly generated a lawsuit causing Drudge to retract the story and apologize.  Blumenthal was forced to drop the action since he could not compete against the unlimited funds from political supporters who USE A TAX-EXEMPT FOUNDATION,"  the Individual Rights Foundation, who paid Drudge legal fees.  At one point, a federal judge observed that, Drudge "is not a reporter, a journalist, or a newsgatherer. He is, as he admits himself, simply a purveyor of gossip."  The opinion can be accessed in Link 5.  


Some of their more swarmy pieces, since debunked, have included the John Kerry intern "scandal," the Bill Clinton illegitimate child hurl, attacks on CNN for "heckling" GOP Senators, claims that Oprah would be doing a Sarah Palin interview, and the hoax involving false reports of a McCain campaign aide having been attacked and mutilated.  It turned out that the Ashley Todd actually attacked and mutilated herself by carving a "B" on her face and trying to blame Obama supporters.  Drudge decided to go with the story anyway, despite the face that Todd had a history of generating a similar hoax. Remember?


While that might be good enough for some to qualify as a perfectly reliable media outlet, others might consider their record to merit a big fat "F" grade surrounded by multiple circles and underscores for emphasis.     


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http://books.google.com/books?id=Wo8IY5oMpX4C&pg=PA131&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/03/obama-video-pastor-hurricane-katrina


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republicans-pounce-obama-optimal-comment-article-1.1187424


http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/myth-obama-phone/story?id=17507339#.UaNvUtK1HXJ


http://epic.org/free_speech/blumenthal_v_drudge.html


 


 

There goes the libs don't know anything about Drudge theory. - Poof! nm
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No, that's not true. Purposely misleading - sm
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Drudge is a collection of news stories from all over the country. The editors do not edit the content of someone else's story, they post the link to the story. I thought you knew this, but evidently not.

It's a collection of links to news articles from all over the world. It's neither liberal or conservative and it doesn't edit the contents of the stories, just posts the links.

Whether or not people like it there are conservatives in this country, and conservative written articles should have the same rights to be posted as liberal. This country will never be just a liberal, communist, or socialist only country no matter how bad some want it to be.

I see far too many liberal posts on Drudge, but again they are all deserving of being posted. Drudge is a collection of articles, sorry, thought you knew that.
Didn't say they edited content of other news stories. - sm
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What I said was they decide what does and does not appear on Drudge. In this regard, they are heavily weighted on the pro-winger tabloid gossipy end of those choices, a claim that was backed up by numerous citations. However, now that you bring it up, the first citation below is a report on Drudge links to other heavily and selectively edited content, specifically engineered to be deceptive and distorted in ways that support RW viewpoints. That practice has on more than one occasion allowed them to escape direct liability for publishing inaccurate content by deliberately taking advantage of immunity for interactive service providers like AOL, Yahoo and Google, even when the provider had an ACTIVE ROLE in the dissemination of the content produced by third parties. That practice was fundamental to the Blumenthal litigation. See second link. While it may be legal, the ethics behind it are pretty stinky.

I also said that what they publish is not confined to linked reporting. It's not. They pride themselves in breaking "exclusives" as well. For example, Drudge was the first publication to report on the Monica Lewinsky story as linked below. Please note the caption under the picture at the top of the article. I also cited a thorough study specifically done on "exlusives" Drudge tried to take credit for, though essentially one-third of them were NOT exclusives. Exclusive reports are ones the outlet breaks NO ONE ELSE has yet reported. So, again, not it's not just a collection of links.

Lastly, I never said conservatives don't have the right to post their own sources, but when claims to uncontested legitimacy are made, it's to be expected that claim will be challenged by well documented views to the contrary.

Sorry. I thought you knew that.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/09/20/the-drudge-report-nbc-news-and-edited-tapes/190045

http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Blumenthal_v._Drudge

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1998/clinton_scandal/50031.stm
Funny when Bush was in office and bad was coming out - about him Drudge was a source
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provided by liberals all the time. Now that it's showing what's going on in this administration it's not? Hypocritical standards.
Where's the evidence of this? - sm
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I suspect that on the rare occasions liberals allegedly use Drudge links, they would be citing stories that are already being heavily reported by much more reputable news organizations or being carried by multiple mainstream media outlets. If you can come up with evidence to the contrary, I will consider myself corrected on that claim.

Personally, I never use second of third party reporting. I take the time to follow the links to the original source and post that.

Got any sources to back up your claim or just doing a - drive by

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I'd like to see where you can prove it. If you provide a reputable site I will read/believe it. Not saying it is true or is not true, just saying I need something to show me its not true and not just someone's opinion.

CNS and readers cannot distinguish between reality - and hypotheticals

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Cost of plans on the exchanges have yet to be determined, but the "cheapest" plan is nowhere near 20,000.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/

Have any fact to back that up, besides factcheck - which is anything but a fact

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I'll be willing to read any other source you may have. Just an FYI that Factcheck is not a reliable source.

No, it certainly is not. I think that has been well proven. - Libs ignore.

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Um, there are numerous facts backing that up in the - link provided in the OP. nm

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I don't believe you or your right-wing "source." - sm

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Mark Levin is hardly a neutral broadcaster, and when the first thing I see is HIS ugly face, then I don't trust the rest of the "source."

Mark Levin is a handsome man. Doesn't matter whether he is - right or left - He is right on

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Take Bill Clinton. Whenever I see HIS ugly face you know what he is about to say is a lie. That is once I'm done throwing up after I see his face.

I was talking about what he is on the INSIDE. - sm

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It's what makes him "ugly" (to me, anyway) on the OUTSIDE.

He knows nothing besides extreme hatred. To me, that makes him ugly.
Yeah, I was talking about what's on the inside too - He has a good soul and that makes him handsome
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He loves the country very much. He has a good soul. He's both handsome on the inside and out.

BC is still ugly on the inside and out.
Yeah, guess asking the media to stop censoring our news it really hateful - Pffft
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Sheesh! Oh pullleeease! Get a grip.
I agree. They should be concentrating on the - sm
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republican party and all the things THEY are doing.
I agree democrats should get a free pass and never be held - accountable - sm
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They should just keep screwing (I think screwing is allowed since its not a swear word) the people and nobody say anything. The media should not be held accountable for the the hate they keep up and should only go after the republicans. That would only be fair. And how dare someone say something and ask that the media be fair to both sides and stop censoring our news.

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