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Posted: Feb 25, 2013

Bloomberg's ban prohibits 2-liter soda with your pizza and some nightclub mixers The city Health Department last week began sending brochures to businesses that would be affected by the latest ban, including restaurants, bars and any “food service” establishment subject to letter grades. And merchants were shocked to see the broad sweep of the new rules. “It’s not fair. If you’re gonna tell me what to do, it’s no good,” said Steve DiMaggio of Caruso’s in Cobble Hill, Brooklyn. “It’s gonna cost a lot more.” And consumers, especially families, will soon see how the rules will affect their wallets — forcing them to pay higher unit prices for smaller bottles. Typically, a pizzeria charges $3 for a 2-liter bottle of Coke. But under the ban, customers would have to buy six 12-ounce cans at a total cost of $7.50 to get an equivalent amount of soda. “I really feel bad for the customers,” said Lupe Balbuena of World Pie in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn. Domino’s on First Avenue and 74th Street on the Upper East Side is doing away with its most popular drink sizes: the 20-ounce and 2-liter bottles. “We’re getting in 16-ounce bottles — and that’s all we’re going to sell,” a worker said. He said the smaller bottles will generate more revenue for the restaurant but cost consumers more. It will also trash more plastic into the environment. Deliveryman Philippe Daniba said he had brought countless 2-liter bottles of soda to customers over his 19 years at the restaurant. The ban, he said, “doesn’t make sense.” Industry-group officials agreed. “It’s ludicrous,” said Robert Bookman, a lawyer for the New York City Hospitality Alliance. “It’s a sealed bottle of soda you can buy in the supermarket. Why can’t they deliver what you can get in the supermarket?” Families will get pinched at kid-friendly party places, which will have to chuck their plastic pitchers because most hold 60 ounces — even though such containers are clearly intended for more than one person. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/soda_ban_to_sap_your_4t5pEK0hvo3PoNZEBOdZ2L;

People are complaining it's too expensive - to get their diabetes now.

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My thought too, poor things. :) OP, I don't like this law. - Bloomberg doesn't like it. NO ONE

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likes it. But we're talking about 33-OUNCE sugar drinks here, which are literally sickening.

Used to be, those people who made themselves sick through self abuse lay around disabled a year or two at most maybe and died. They didn't live on for decades, disabled--on the public dole--and in constant need of intensive medical care--on the public dole. They didn't cost much in medical care because there wasn't much that could be done for them. Dialysis, heart catheterization, revascularization--these are new things.

Because they aren't dying, their percentage of our population is growing and growing--has grown to vast numbers--all needing the rest of us to take care of them. Nobody can pay enough toward their own insurance to cover 2, 3, 4 decades of care for diabetes, renal failure, strokes, cardiomyopathy, vascular occlusions, blindness, etc. Everyone else starts picking up the whole tab decades before the bills finally stop.

The biggest positive effect of this law will probably be indirect though--the effect on public attitudes. We've gotten used to seeing these drinks. We'll now get the idea that there's something wrong with this form of self abuse. Just like toughening and enforcing drunk driving laws changed society's attitude toward drunk driving and effect of anti-smoking laws on attitudes toward smoking.

Agree. - I'm grumpy.

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Although I do think it's funny to watch the religious right complain that gay marriage is a sin, while also complaining that the government is taking away *their* right to glutton themselves.

âPut a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.â

There are 2 types of diabetes and a lot of people don't have diabetes at all - Truthhurts

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but it seems that when they hit a certain age, it happens more often.

My mother never had diabetes, yet type 1 runs in our family. Some people are just genetically disposed(?) to getting diabetes no matter what they do, what kind of diet they eat, etc. Others are not. Our family was predisposed to heart disease and died in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, not through self-abuse as you put it, but because it was genetic.

My point is that NY is punishing ALL the people for a disease SOME of the people have or will get and that is not right.

Would you ban white flour because people have an allergy to flour; would you ban peanuts because people have peanut allergies?

You said: "....all needing the rest of us to take care of them. Nobody can pay enough toward their own insurance to cover 2, 3, 4 decades of care for diabetes, renal failure, strokes, cardiomyopathy, vascular occlusions, blindness, etc."

Do you want the genetically-disabled to die just as quickly as the self-abusers, just because they have a disease? Just the statement you made above seems to point to that deduction. Do you see the point I'm making? Or do you only see what you want the problem to be?

I'm not trying to be nasty or smart, but you seem to believe everyone who has a disease should die quickly without help from the medical society and THAT's a problem that isn't acceptable.
People can still drink soda. - and your quote:
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"you seem to believe everyone who has a disease should die quickly without help from the medical society" is pretty out there.
Some are knee-jerk "for" whatever liberals are seen as "against." - Causes some rather peculiar positions. :) nm
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Meant to be because of the poster who wrote the following: - Truthhurts
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If that was you, it's "pretty out there." Sounds to me like the poster wishes those with a disease should die and not live too long once diagnosed. If that's not what the poster meant, then it should be clarified.

"Used to be, those people who made themselves sick through self abuse lay around disabled a year or two at most maybe and died. They didn't live on for decades, disabled--on the public dole--and in constant need of intensive medical care--on the public dole. They didn't cost much in medical care because there wasn't much that could be done for them. Dialysis, heart catheterization, revascularization--these are new things.

Because they aren't dying, their percentage of our population is growing and growing--has grown to vast numbers--all needing the rest of us to take care of them."
It means she doesn't want people - to get sick in the first place
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and be a big burden on everyone. Not that they want them to die quickly. I think the meaning is obvious, unless of course the poster is a psychopath.
Truthhurts, are you not an MT then? MTs know the - many awful consequences of obesity... ? nm
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The large soda were not just banned because of - diabetes. What about SM
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the epidemic of obesity in this country? Are you going to make the same argument about obesity? Of course there is a minority of people who are genetically predisposed to being heavier, but come on. One of the biggest reasons we have obesity is because of our culture now of sitting in front of a computer screen and not "moving". We have friends now, but they are online friends. We don't actually go out and do activities with them. Our whole culture is really a disgrace when you think about it, starting right from the top. We are run by corporations now, which means no job or low paying job, more hours, more exhaustion, depression, fast food because of exhaustion, TV because of exhaustion, depression, low morale, bills, bills bills, no money, etc, etc. Never ends. One day the same as the next. The idea of this ban was a good one, but overeaching if what is in that article is true.
Obesity is also a genetic disease in a lot of people - Truthhurts
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Sure, some over-indulge, but I know a few families in my area that have weighed in over 300-400 lbs. Whole families.They ate what "normal weight" people eat. They diet. They exercised. Nothing helped. They just couldn't lose the weight, so they stopped trying. One young adult died a few years back and they had to cut the door to get him out and order a specially-made casket.
I'm not fat... I'm just big boned! - Beefcake
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People are not genetically obese. There may be a genetic predisposition to obesity, meaning that those with this will become obese under certain conditions including a high-calorie diet and lack of activity.

Super morbid obesity resulting in having to cut through walls to remove someone from their home is NOT the result of genetics alone... you need a lot of sugar, fat, and sitting/lying around to make it to that point.

Now, seeing as how obesity has now reached epidemic status and contributes to the skyrocketing cost of healthcare, understanding that excessive calorie intake contributes to obesity, and taking into consideration that high-fructose corn syrup drinks are the #1 source of "empty" calories completely devoid of any nutritional value whatsoever, what would you suggest be done? People who overindulge in this product and wind up obese and sick as a consequence are costing you money. Do you just sit back and be taken advantage of (by the over indulgers AND the soft drink manufacturers/distributors who profit from it)?

IMO, if it comes down to a fight between the "freedom" to sell unlimited quantities of an unhealthy product, the "freedom" to be obese, unhealthy, and potentially disabled and dependent on others (taxpayers) for care, and those who are on the side of preventing disease and not spending tax dollars on those whose conditions could have been prevented, sign me up for the preventing disease side.

BTW, anyone who tells you that they're dieting and exercising routinely and still weigh in excess of 300 pounds are probably fibbing.
It obviously has to be multifactorial and not just genetics for anyone, - otherwise the epidemic...
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wouldn't mainly be just an American phenomenon. We're nowhere close to being genetically homogeneously isolated as a country, especially as the melting pot that we are. Cutting doors out to get people out of their homes is pretty much an American event only, and those people didn't get that way by eating "what "normal weight" people eat."

Easy to overlook the - environmental impact

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mentioned part-way through the article. Environmentalists, where art thou?

Environmentalist here - I don't drink soda

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I also don't buy bottled water.

Me, either--both. Our community had the good water - we all should demand. Buy bottled--outrageous! nm

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I don't drink soda either - nor do I buy bottled water.

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But I won't say that someone else can't if they want to.

I think it's going to backfire on him - Edgar

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All this ban is going to do is have people by the same amount only in different containers. I don't know about others, but I have this "oh yeah, well take this" attitude. Someone tells me I can't have a 2 liter bottle of soda, juice, or whatever and I'll turn around and buy double of the next smaller size which will give me more soda than if I had the 2 liter bottle.

Bloomberg and his controlling ideas reminds me of Edgar Friendly from Demolition man who said:

You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

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