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85 percent of doctors have considered quitting

Posted: Jul 9, 2012

Apparently there was an independent, non-partisan survey done which came up with this finding, which I think is very telling. If the doctors feel this way, Obamacare is not the solution some people think it is. Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/;

Correction - I meant 83 percent.

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This is supposedly a poll that was taken last... - sm

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October of 699 Ohio doctors, most of whom were in very small or solo practices. I don't consider that a good sampling of doctors in Ohio let alone the entire US. Also, are you aware that this association was only formed in late 2011? I think I trust the AMA more.

Key word - "supposedly"

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Don't like the poll results? Spin control :)

Yikes!! Makes one wonder what they know - that we don't know,

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and what else will surface when those 2,000 pages of ADA come to light.

Sad to say the Kool-Aid drinkers - and socialists will never

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never get it, nor do they have the ability to understand. The percentage of Americans wanting this repealed continues to rise - saw a poll today that was 63% for total repeal. All the socies/coimmies ever know how to do is scream for "links. post, research" 'cos they're too lazy to do it themselves..explains why they are so quick to hand over the medical care without any responsibility/accountablity on their part.

Wrong - MTFISH

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People want to see your links because so much information is subversive. For instance, *** would believe information that came from places like Fox News or the Drudge Report. If you aren't willing to reveal your sources then we are left to assume you are ***. If you aren't willing to back up what you post with information, don't expect people to take you seriously.

Blah, ,blah blah, - Describes YOUR posts

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"For instance, *** would believe information that came from places like" Media Matters, CNN, CSNBC, NBC, Rachel Madcow. If you are not willing to put aside the Communist Weekly and "aren't willing to reveal your sources then we are left to assume you are merely claiming ***. If you aren't willing to back up what you post with information, don't expect people to take you seriously."

I DO NOT DO ANYBODY'S RESEARCH AND CERTAINLY DO NOT LOOK TO YOU FOR ANY POLITIAL SAVVY OR INTELLIGENCE. TOO LAZY TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH...OH WELL. It shows in your *** viewpoint "and quite *** opinion".

Edited post - please see message - Moderator

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I have edited out the same words that I edited out in the previous post because I do not want other posters to read the insults that were directed at a poster.

Thanks,
Moderator

Stop insulting posters - Moderator

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I've asked before many times to stop insulting posters. You have your opinion and other people have theirs. They have the right to their opinion just like you have yours.

I have deleted your insults. If you cannot post without insulting, don't post at all.

99.9% of MTs have considered quitting - just because they want out of MT

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But that is beside the point,since the major medical associations endorsed Obamacare. Amazing survey considering the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Surgeons, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, the American Osteopathic Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American College of Cardiology all endorsed health reform. These groups represent hundreds of thousands of physicians across a wide range of medical sub-specialties.

Oh well. Maybe they had a certain designated list to call.

Health reform - yes. - Obamacare - no.

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He's going about it the wrong way - turning the IRS (not a tax, huh?) into police, for one thing. Mandates and insurance requirements that make it cost prohibitive for employers to subsidize their employees' health care costs, thus driving us to submit to the strong arm of the government and further making us dependent on big gov. There's a whole bunch of legislation in the health care reform bill that has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with special interests groups, too. Right idea, wrong method.

Obamacare nightmare starting - First time in 10 years of

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working for an extremely large Oncology center in the south, I saw something today that is frightening. Facility will remain nameless for obvious reasons. This Oncology facility treats all types of cancer in all stages. I had 3 patients today, back to back, 2 of them were 72 and 1 was 78. ALL had treatable cancers, and they had done very well. At the end of their chart, the phrase was added verbatim "No further treatment/testing designated due to life expectancy of less than 10 years". There was no mention that the patient KNEW this was placed in their records, or that it had ever been discussed with them. Two of the 3 were long-time cancer survivors, and all 3 were doing well. How the hell does anyone know for a fact these patients would not live 10 more years or have a productive life? Who are they to "designate" that no further care should be rendered in regards to their cancer? This phrase has NEVER appeared on any of the thousands of charts or patients I have worked on in the last 10 years. The FIRST TIME THIS APPEARED WAS AFTER THE SCOTUS RULING. For those that want to continue to deny the reality of what is happening, I hope this phrase appears on your chart or the chart of someone you love, since nothing seems to wake you up to the dangers of what is going on.

I bet they were all prostate cancer - nm

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That would be my guess too. Current accepted protocol. - nm

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No 2 were breast cancer - and the other was a treatable lung

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cancer. As stsated, all were doing well. Both breast cancer patients were 5+ and 8+ years out respectively, the lung cancer about 4+ out. Facility NEVER poster that phrase on any chart, for any patient, for any age until Obamacare. Can't make it any more clear for you than that.

what is more likely - ...

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is that you didn't notice this phrase until you noticed "Obamacare". Insurance companies have been limiting benefits to patients for various reasons for some time now.

Same old scenario as usual today - Patient between insurance coverage

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Another patient delaying needed medical testing because she lost her insurance and is now waiting until her Medicare kicks in. I have a variation of this at least once a day. Many of these people are less than 78.

I have seen similar when cancer is considered "cured". - I am sure

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New onset or metastatic will continue to be treated. I think this is fear-mongering.

Don't care what you "THINK" - The fact is, NEVER appeared in

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patient record prior to Obamacare. I have worked for them for 10 years, screened thousands of patients. I work there, you don't. I know what there "protocol" was before Obamacare, you don't. I saw the records for thousands of patients before Obamace, you didn't. You can guess all you want, doesn't make it a fact. Just shows you degree of denial regarding what is going on. Namecall all you want - guess you won't get it till it happens to your someone you love. Hope you're out of stupor of denial by then.

Hospitals change policies all the time, add templates - whatever

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I notice all the time where all the GI docs will pick up a phrase, where all behavior dictations will now include a new category, etc. There was no name calling. My mother died of cancer without insurance, we lost our business. Not understanding the need for health insurance for everyone is certainly the stupor of denial. Hope it doesn't happen to someone you love.

Misrepresenting my post AGAIN - Get it staight

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You can spin it all you want and twist what I said repeatedly to ease YOUR DENIAL. Not one single time did I ever say people should not have insurance;k so keep your lies about my posts to yourself or get it stragiht. Obamacare is NOT insurance, it is control. In literally thousands of records I reviewed, over a period of 10 years, NOT ONE SINGLE TIME DID THAT DIRECTIVE, PHRASE, template, policy, phrase, or whatever other spin you want to use ever appear on any patient's chart. All these patient were older. It did not appear on any chart for anyone unver 70. Get a grip and try reading the truth about this bill, or heh...here's a wild thought...Actually read the whole bill. Obama is playing God and Obama will surely pay a price for that arrogance. I find it sad that people so enroped in Obama worship and ideology have no common sense and lost all sense of reasoning.

time for a coffee break - (add sugar)

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The only two protocols in existence for cancer...sm - H/O2

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patient's regarding the 10-year life expectancy is for prostate cancer patients and for the elimination of cancer screening for any patient that does not have a life expectancy in excess of 10 years. Neither is especially new or has anything to do with Obamacare. Maybe an error in those reports? I believe it would be considered malpractice to withdraw effective treatment in the case of either breast or lung cancer.

this is not due to Obamacare - sm

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These assessments and parameters predate Obamacare and probably predate you, going back to the 80s and the inception of DRGs (diagnostically related groups).

It's not inappropriate to spare someone invasive diagnostics and treatments if they are likely to predecease the progression of their cancer.

You mean, MTs are quitting because of Obamacare? - I hadn't heard that.

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Sigh.

The Daily Caller - MTFISH

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Priceless. You got this from the Daily Caller, hardly a reputable source for real news, but rather a right-wing subversion and propaganda machine. ***

Try following YOUR worthless advice to others - What's wrong with you? Try a little

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"critical thinking " yourself. Odd that you cannot post 1 fact (you never do) or 1 comment without the *** comments you seem to view in your own *** ....the informed on this board, do not share your *** lack of wisdom on so many topics. *** WE actually understand the destructive nature of that idoelogy. Why not move to Somalia (or Syria), I hear it's lovely this time of year. Wonderful atmosphere of anarchy, communism, socialism, bullying...***!

MTFISH: Thanks for your posts. They prevent - me from blowing SM

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my stack when I read these endless "socialist/commie" references to progressive ideas. Calling others scialist/commies is the new mantra from Fox, Rush, etc. It's pitiful that people fall for this stuff, voting against their own interests time and time again because they get so worked up emotionally.

MTFISH : NO THANKS - Progressive just another

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term for commies/socies.

Too bad they keep blowing their stack when they read the commen sense viewpoints and are to blind to realize that "socialist/commie" is just another name for progressives (which they never are, they are regressive and slavish ideas).

The socialists/commies calling anyone they ASSUME OR THINK watches Fox or listens to Rush, etc., just continue to show their ***, biased, descriminatory world view.

It's pitiful these socies/commies fall for this stuff, voting against their own interests time and time again because they get so worked up emotionally over issues that are all about control, regressive and slavish, and never better the general public - the commies/socies want everyone to regress 200 years. They certainly do need some enlightening.

Progressive - equals hypocrite - Sick of all of them

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Never see any progressive, communist, socialist on this board that can state thier POV without the rude, snarky, hateful rhetoric they hold so dear. I am sick of their constant put downs of anybody with a different POV. They throw out their OPINION as if it is fact and expect everbody to fall in line. Only problem with that, I have never seen a progressive/socialist/communist with any substantial degree of intelligence, individuality, compassion OR FACT. They are so consumed with hatred towards anyone with a different POV, the hatred oozes out of every one of their pores. It must be quite a prison to be locked in a mind filled with false hoods about your superiority/knowledge when the exact opposite is true. Inability to think for themselves, stand on their own 2 feet, they have no accountability, total bias and racist, substandard "critical thinking" abilities. It is a garish hell indeed that they have banished themselves to so willingly.

Sound more like trolls on this board, just to try and stir the pot, since their is no "critical thinking" in their posts. Would gladly pay for a 1-way ticket to Somalia/Syria since they seem to hate the USA so much. Why are they here anyway? Their kind of negativity cna kill you. Just sayin'

Oh, I get it now... - (wow)

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So, as long as we insult, indict, and name-call an entire group of people, that's okay? I mean, hey, it's okay with me. But I wonder how it would go over if I were to say:

"I have never seen a conservative/right wing/fascist with any substantial degree of intelligence, individuality, compassion OR FACT."

Backwards - MTFISH

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Dear, ***. That the *** of Fox News is largely ***. I would provide a link, but that is completely frowned upon in this venue. Of course, were I to provide such information, I would provide a link to the actual research from credible universities, but ***. Especially from *** ---a place of ***. Instead, let's all blindly believe what we are told from the very *** sound bite mills for the *** such as the Daily Caller, Newsmax, Fox News-- infact, let's just ask Rush--all of which have zero journalistic integrity and even less moral fiber and that is an unfortunate FACT. Do your research and don't stop on *** for your "news" or you'll just be reading subversive entertainment put together by kids paid $10/hr (more than some of YOU!) to just post "news" without any sort of verification whatsoever.

BACKWARDS MTFISH IS YOUR POST - ...

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Here's a news flash since you ASSUME you are all knowing and know exactly what everyone does on this board and YOU ASSUME what they watch. I don't watch Fox.

However, "***" of "CNN, Media Matter, Paul Krugman, Ed Schultz, MSNBC, Rachel Madcow, Bill Maher, "are largely nonfactual and subversive has recently been proven. I would provide a link, but that is completely frowned upon in this venue. Of course, were I to provide such information, I would provide a link to the actual research from credible universities, but *** people know it would never be accepted by" liberals. "Especially from the ***---a place of higher education. Instead, let's all blindly believe what we are told from the very *** sound bite mills for the *** such as the "CNN, Media Matter, Pau. Krugman, Ed Schultz, MSNBC, Rachel Madcow, Bill Maher".In fact"let's just ask" George Sorios, "-all of which have zero journalistic integrity and even less moral fiber and that is an unfortunate FACT. Do your research and don't stop on *** for your "news" or you'll just be reading subversive entertainment put together by kids paid $10/hr (more than some of YOU!) to just post "news" without any sort of verification whatsoever".

HERE'S A NEWS FLASH YOU *** WITH NEVER A FACT, you are so completely out of touch, and true to your character, are completely incapable of writing a fact, any fact, but only your constant ***. Shows the *** for what it truly is...mightly defective and lacking any *** ability to see antying other than their *** ...WE ALL know how *** LOVE those terms. Becoming pretty clear you are nothing more than a *** on this board and have no interest in any truth. Just want to throw out *** comments that have nothing to do with the threads. Got the fire retardant suit at the ready...Now,***.

earth to moderator - hello? anybody home?

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This post is very personally insulting and abusive, yet you allow this abusive post to remain while you edit others based on the complaints of a few.

Moderator, you are totally out of hand and are responsible for enabling this abuse by catering to certain posters who complain.

Reply - Moderator

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I had an emergency I had to take care of and had to leave my office to take care of it.

I am trying to take care of the problem of insulting, but it does not do any good for me to ask people to not insult if they are going to insult in the next post they write.

This poster reiterated word for word what the previous poster wrote. I have edited out the same words I edited before.

Out of hand is the posters who cannot discuss politics without insulting others, belittling, calling them uneducated, stupid, ignorant and then when I delete the words say, what, I didn't say anything insulting.

People need to get a handle on discussing issues. I cannot understand what is so hard about discussing issues without insulting people just because they disagree with you.

I do not enable anyone to post insults. You post them they will be removed. I have said many times if you find a post offensive and I haven't taken care of it I will. Not every post is going to be edited within 5 minutes of when it was posted.

The post has been taken care of.

TO MODERATOR - RE: earth to moderator, hello? anybody home?

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Perfect example of the tactics used on this board to harass posters. The post this poster complained to you about was a DIRECT QUOTE from MTFISH, whose post she skipped right over, never commented on, did not demand removal of, to attack a poster that would not take the insuting comments from MTFISH. WE ALL can see where the problem started, with what post and which poster...why can't the one complaining see? Biased attacks, demanding removal of messages is hypocrtical if the person STARTING THE ATTACKS does not get called out on their abusive language...posters are sick of a few that want to bend the rules so they can post any insult they want, but when posters respond and no longer tolerate that garbarge, they cry "victim". SOME OF US ARE SICK OF THE CHILDISHNESS. If they can't post adult messages without the insults and disgusting language, why are they on here? They are not contributing to any political discussion...just the usual bashing of a few with a different POV.

...about "tactics" - please note

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I see you are upset that I "skipped right over, never commented on, did not demand removal" of a particular post. For the record, I have the right to "skip over" any post I choose. There is no requirement for me to post as you see fit.

In point of fact, however, I was not able to assess the post you are complaining about as it had been censored by the time I arrived. Given your detective skills, you can probably figure that out based on the time stamp of my post.

What I did find when I arrived was a slew of unrelenting, personally directed insults, which, as you can see, continued on and on and on, beginnning with posts such as "Try following YOUR worthless advice to others - What's wrong with you?" and proceeding all the way through calling progressives hypocrites, socialists, and communists.

There are no "tactics" on my behalf here. I am simply bewildered by the fact that some posters are permitted to be so completely and over-the-top abusive to others.

...about "tactics" - please note - QUOTES YOU USED CAME FOR A PREVIOUS POSTER

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If you are so intent on insulting, try going back to where the insult STARTED. It was a DIRECT QUOTE FROM MTFISH POSTS. You don't like the language or quotes,take it up with the OP, not the poster QUOTING her. Yeah...Now more than a few wondering about your "tactics" since they don't START with problem only add to it.

spellbinding -

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earth to moderator - hello? anybody home? - IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO RUDE POST BY MTFISH

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This post was written AS A RESPONSE TO the vile, abusive comments made by MTFISH. Try reading the WHOLE thread, instead of attacking 1 poster who has the guts to stand up to the abuse of the OP. Your accusations hollow ring and self-serving since you ignored where the problem started to attack someone else.

Please see message. - sm

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You wrote: "the commies/socies want everyone to regress 200 years."

You have just described the CONS, not the liberals.

I find it apropro that the first three letters of "conservative" are CON. Too bad some people out there can be conned so easily.

I'm voting for my best interests, not against them, so I certainly won't be voting Republican.

Yes, thank you for your posts... - I only wish I could have seen this one

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