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How do I protect my daughter from seeing her father hit rock bottom?

Posted: Jan 22, 2014

I got married really young, but have stuck it out for nearly 20 years. I have become my husband's mother more than his wife. He suffers from bipolar disorder that was not diagnosed until 10 years ago and has become progressively worse. To compound that problem, he is an alcoholic who continually falls off the wagon. He has not and will not work. In the history of our marriage he has held two real jobs for very short periods of time (less than a year) and has done two active duty stints in the Army (one a six month stint during desert storm and three year stint right after 9/11 where he was stationed at Fort Knox). Most of the time he has either been going to school or finding other excuses why he can't seem to find a job.

Fast forward to the present, within the last five years or so, his mental illness and alcoholism has gotten him to some serious legal problems. He has spent time in jail off and on in the last five years. Through all of this I have prayed for him and taken care of him. Tried to get him the help he needs. What kept me in the marriage mostly was his father. His father was a very good Christian man who did everything he could to keep our marriage alive. He would try to make up for his son's shortcomings by taking care of his son's family -- not just financially, but emotionally as well. He was a terrific grandfather (a better father to my kids than their real father). Just a really good man who took care of my mother-in-law as she battled her own mental illness for years until she passed. So he felt a kinship with me and tried to help. He passed away suddenly last fall. We were all devastated, and true to form, my husband fell off the wagon and hasn't bothered to stop.

So after the holidays were over, I took my daughter and I left him. My son, who is 21 and has moved in with his girlfriend, told me I deserved to be happy and I should let go and realize I cannot help my husband. My daughter is 13 and is VERY angry with me right now. She is pouty and noncommunicative. She got angry with me the other day because she left some clothes behind at what is now my husband's home. I said that I would go pick them up. She got angry and accused me of never wanting her to see her father again. She says that her father needs me to take care of him and what will happen to him now if I don't pay the bills. Even my husband is calling me daily telling me he can't survive and the electricity is going to be turned off. My answer is "get a job" and "stay with your friends until you get a job."

Mostly I'm worried about my daughter. I see the writing on the wall. Her father is going to let the utilities get turned off and he is going to put on a big show of suffering and she is going to be so upset. He has tried to use her against in the past, but trying to involve her in our arguments or crying in front of her, telling her "mom doesn't love me anymore." So to protect her from seeing her dad's decline, my instinct is to keep her from seeing her dad, but then I'm met with dirty looks and the cold shoulder. I can't win in this situation. I really just want my daughter and I to have a happy life away from the stress of alcoholism and mental illness. And we can have that if my daughter can get over the idea that I am letting her dad suffer.

Sorry to go on and on, but I'm at my wits end! I just want a little peace and not have to feel guilty about it. Does that make me a bad person?

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Can you get her some counseling? - sm

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It might help to have a professional give her guidance to help understand her feelings, deal with emotions, and understand what is happening.

maybe your ex can get some mental help - through the VA?

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or even financial if he has medical issues from his service. I feel for you. Best of luck & sending prayers your way.

He's been in and out of rehab at the VA and the VA psych ward a couple of times. - noney

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They VA is good for throwing drugs at our vets and giving them the bum's rush back out the door. It took 10 years for them to diagnose him properly. They kept calling it depression even though he clearly was having episodes of mania and his mother had a history of bipolar disorder. I had accompanied him to NUMEROUS VA psychiatrist appointments. They gave him an unending Ambien prescription and Zoloft. They literally shipped Ambien refills to our house without him having to call in for one. FINALLY, he got completely drunk and hurt himself and ended up in the ER at the VA. They admitted him to the psych ward for a week. I remember meeting with a foreign psychiatrist who had met with him a few times and he said to me "Well, I think your husband is bipolar." I literally just stared at him.

He is supposed to take lithium and Trazodone. He takes the Trazodone because it helps him sleep. The lithium he never takes, but says he does. However, he never goes to get his level checked which he is supposed to do routinely which tells me he does not take it, well that and his behavior.

I used to count his pills everyday to make sure he took until he started hiding his bottles from me. I just gave up. I'm giving up now. I'm done.

Thoughts on that - sm

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It can be difficult to diagnose psych patients because it is dependant upon them telling you what is going on. A lot of them know what not to say because they don't want a psych dx. This is no different in the private sector.

The VA used to send refills for the entire prescription, but that was not to dump meds on people as you seem to think. It was for the patient's convenience. They have not done this for at least 10 years. Patients now need to request refills.

Attending physician visits with your husband and counting his pills to make sure he was taking them is called "overfunctioning." The suggestion to attend Alanon meetings was good. It will help you see your role in his issues and alcoholism, and help you let go of the need to control his behavior for him.

You don't - sarah

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You can't protect your kids from reality. How is that going to help her? Life isn't pretty. Sheltering her from it will only leave her unprepared for her future as an adult. She needs to learn how to handle problems when they arise, not how to bury them and pretend everything is just dandy. Be honest with her about it. Say this is who your father is. He has mental problems and is an alcoholic. That doesn't make your dad a bad guy. That doesn't mean you have to stop loving your dad. But we cannot live with him anymore. You can be mad at me if you want, but I'm doing this for our own good - mine AND yours.

You are a mother, guilt comes with the job. No use in trying to escape it. That doesn't mean you need to let a 13 year old manipulate you into feeling bad about the decision you made. It doesn't matter if she understands it now. Someday she will.

Check out AlaTeen...sm - Old Anon

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You might want to check out AlAnon and AlaTeen as resources to help you both through this awful time. You'll meet people who are in your situation and get help from people who have been there. I just googled both and you can find out where and when your closest local meetings are held. I do believe the cost is also minimal. Best of luck.

I'm a pretty easy mark for manipulation. I mean my husband's been doing it for years. - Noney

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I've felt sorry for him, forgave him at every crocodile tear he's shed. I guess maybe that's something I should get help with. Not letting myself be manipulated by guilt.

I've tried to be pretty open with her about it all. She knows he is mentally ill and an alcoholic. I've told her I cannot help him. I never could, I was kidding myself all this years. It's just so sad for her to have watch him spiral out of control. Not to mention the embarrassment of living in a small town and her father becoming the town drunk.

Rock bottom - MT

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I truly relate to what you're going through. I had one just like yours and with the same situation with my daughter. Not only was she going through that lovely period where her hormones were making her difficult to live with, but he manipulated that child shamelessly. I ended up actually hating him for doing that to her. She will grow older, though, and begin to understand that there was nothing you could do to help her dad even though you tried everything you possibly could. I was open and honest with my daughter about it. She didn't listen much during those times but now that she's in her twenties and has a little girl of her own, we're closer than we've ever been, and now she understands. I don't believe girls of that age have the ability to reason and see the reality of these situations when it comes to their dads. I would always tell her in her younger years when he was manipulative that he was the one doing it to himself and that he was responsible for him. I told her that he was a grown man and that what he was doing to manipulate and use her was wrong. It's such a difficult situation, and I honestly thought I'd lose my mind. I guess my point is that if you'll hang in there and be up front with her, don't talk badly about him, just be realistic and kind about it, and the day will come when she will see. I wish you and your little girl all the best.

Agree with most of your post - Not the OP

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I'm not sure I agree with saying it "doesn't matter" if the daughter understands. It does matter. However, that can't be the priority. I think counseling for this young girl is an absolute must, and that is what will help her to understand. I was raised in an unhappy home which broke up when I was also 13. The floor fell out from under me, as I was the youngest and the only child home to experience the worst of everything.

Help for you and your daughter..sm - answer grape

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Both you and your daughter can find help by going to ALANON, an organization that offers free aid to the people involved with an alcoholic. It is an offshoot of Alcoholics Anonymous. You will get tremendous support and insight there, as will your daughter. Do it.

I am so sorry for the conflict you are living with - right now

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First I want to tell you that you have the right to decide who to include in your life, especially with a young daughter. More importantly, because you have a young daughter.

You have the right to monitor her contact with him and if he acts up, shorten/limit that contact. It is no longer about his mental well-being; it's about hers and yours.

I have decided to live my life BPD free with my child. Some people hate me for it. I keep telling my child she needs to trust me. I know it hurts right now, but I need to teach her that she gets to choose who to include in her life. I live my life by surrounding us with people who will lift us up, not try to destroy us. That is a powerful message to send to a young girl. When things happen that are examples of the dysfunction, I softly tell her that is not how people are supposed to behave. I don't display hate or anger toward them, but more of a sad acceptance of their behavior.

You're not a bad person; you're just in a bad situation. Let her hate you for now. You are strong enough. You can take it. You and she will be better in the long run. Blessings to you.

Thank you so much for this post. Sometimes it helps to hear - Noney

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someone outside the situation tell you you're doing the right thing. I appreciate hearing it more than you know. I will also look into Alanon and Alateen. I know there are meetings a few miles away in the next town, so that might be good.

Thanks again to everyone. I'm going to sleep well tonight knowing I spilled my guts into cyberspace. It is very cathartic.

So true - wheres_my_job

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"I know it hurts right now, but I need to teach her that she gets to choose who to include in her life. I live my life by surrounding us with people who will lift us up, not try to destroy us. That is a powerful message to send to a young girl."

I remember when I was in elementary school, my mom left for a little bit, went back with her parents. So it was just my dad. There was a dramatic drop in the level of tension and anger in the household. I'll say - it was wonderful not having my mother there! I will always remember my dad coming home from work and making us soup for lunch. No crazy rage, nothing thrown at the wall, no physical abuse. Once at lunch my mom beat me up and threw me in the front closet, then started throwing boots at me and dumping coats on me. All because she saw I had one tiny drop of soup on my sweater!

Then I had to go back to school. Yeah, I'm in learning mode now mom!

So I REALLY LOVED IT when it was just my dad feeding us tomato soup - not that my dad wasn't also abusive, but he just hadn't gotten into the STRATOSPHERE of abuse like with my mom. Maybe he was extra nice to us because my mom was gone, I don't know.

Parents don't get a free pass because of their problems.

I have to add something on - wheres_my_job

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actually, my dad WAS also quite abusive - what am I saying. I just remember that one brief period of time, when things were pretty peaceful on the home front. And it was only about a week! He was like a maitre d', he put a folded dish towel over his shoulder (he had on a dress shirt and tie), and ladled soup out of the pan into our bowls.

Children have to be protected from parental craziness.

I was your daughter - sm

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My father was an active alcoholic every single day of his married life. After several temporary separations, my mother finally told him he had to get out and stay out. I was 13 at the time. My sister and I were distraught and very angry with my mother. This exacerbated the already horrible relationship I had with her because of issues completely unrelated to my father. While still teenagers, my sister and I punished my mother for "making Daddy move out."

I'm in my 50s now, and both my parents are gone. Even though I have almost no happy memories of my mother, I now understand what was going on with my father's drinking and how it was affecting my mother and the entire family. I have no anger towards her about the final separation. In fact, despite my grief about the always-sad state of our relationship, I feel a lot of compassion for her because of all she had to deal with in terms of an alcoholic husband who was also, I believe, quite mentally ill.

My point is that your daughter will eventually come to understand the situation and realize you did the only thing you could. Someone made a good suggestion about Alateen and Alanon. My family participated in those groups, too. Another important thing to remember is that because your daughter is still a child, she does not truly understand the situation. She sounds like she feels sorry for your husband (I felt so sorry for my father), so in her eyes, that makes you the bad guy. I'm sure this is very hard on you, but you just have to let her have her anger right now and realize at some point she will understand.

May God bless you and your family with strength and peace.

Alanon, Alateen = A++ (nm) - Higher Powered

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Bravo to you for moving on. I wish I'd had the guts to do - wannie

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so when my children were young. Instead, I allowed myself and them to live through hell on earth because of an alcoholic husband/father. He's still hateful, spiteful, uncaring and pretty much unloving toward us. He can get really nasty verbally with me when crossed. One of my children (our daughter) "endures" the time she spends around her father. She lives on the other side of the state from us and we see her 3 or 4 times a year. She won't even answer the phone when he dad calls. The other child (son, 32) still lives at home. He says he won't leave because of the way his dad acts when he's not in the room. I know that most people won't understand why I continue to stay, but, like you, a lot of it stems from guilt and knowing that he would never survive on his own. He does work but does not know how to manage money. Long story short, do what you have to do to make life better for you and your child. Take it from somebody who's been there, done that.

Also... - see msg

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I don't think I saw anyone address that if you are going to send your kid to counseling, you should go with her into a family counseling type of situation. There's a dynamic in the family; this isn't just your kid's problem. Unfortunately, you have taught her to put up with bad behaviors, and you don't want her choosing a mentally ill, drug-addicated/alcohol-addicted person to "save."

I do not agree with the poster who said your kid has to learn that things don't always go right. Sorry, that's nuts---we have to teach our kids not to flip out when the car won't start, but this living with a mentally ill alcoholic, and family now being split up is over-the-top and not something she should have to be dealing with at all. I agree that you should no longer be with this man, of course.

Maybe someone reading this will think twice before having a kid with an unstable parent in the household.

It's not too late for your daughter, but she shouldn't be expected to just "buck up" as the one poster seemed to imply.

How to protect your daughter - Adult daughter of an alcholic

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You are brave. You are challenged. You will succeed. With guidance,counseling and support. Alanon and Alateen are great programs. I will give you a perspective from a different point of view - an adult daughter of an alcoholic. I am 64 years old. I grew up in a violent, abusive and extremely chaotic home. My father was the alcoholic. My mother was the co-dependent. I lived a horrible life growing up in the sheer insanity of dysfunction and alcoholism. My desperate wish and prayers at night were that God would give my mother the will to leave our father. When she didn't, even when offered refuge by her mother, my grandmother, I could not understand that. As time went on and the hell that was my mother's life took us kids down the spiral of insanity, I hated her. I felt she did not protect us. She took us to hell with her Needless to say, my parents died young from their destructive lives, she at 47 leaving 6 little ones behind, he at 59 found dead in a hotel from alcoholism. You would think it ends there,right? Wrong. I have 6 sisters and 2 brothers and 5 sisters do not speak to me and one brother does not speak to me. The damage done has far reaching effects. Denial. Survival thinking and living. At 64 I am dealing with the trauma it has done me. Yes, I look like any other functioning adult - work, social life, go through the motions. We grew blaming everyone else, everything else, except looking at the parents and their behaviors. At 64 and being in Adult Children of Alcoholics program for a year and a half, I have finally found a place to release my hurt, fears, resentments, and gain understanding that this is a disease, a disease that only gets worse with time if no professional help is found. And it is generational and often accompanied by mental illness. Yes, alcoholism is a mental illness. A broken spirit. The sadness is that even though we don't have alcoholism within us siblings, we have para-alcoholic behaviors. The drug of choice is anxiety, fear, gossip, hooked on excitement that induces adrenalin, mistrust. Sisters constantly bashing each other behind their backs, causing fights. I finally got so sick of it, I went to Adult Children of Alcoholics. When my sisters found out, they cut me out of their lives for good. How dare I speak ill of our parents! What they refused to look at was the disease our parents had - dysfunction. My sister's behavior comes from deep shame. We were known as the crazy house on the block. I broke away from the toxic system we grew up in and found release, understanding and how to reparent myself though my Higher Power - God. It is shocking to me that my sisters can't admit how bad it was, but denial will do that to you. After all, it took me 61 years to admit it and get out of denial, so how can I expect more of them? It affected my relationships, my marriage, how I raised my children, and even how I chose my work - medical transcription! I was always trying to please and over do things. I may have lost my family but I gained a new me and understanding and love in my group. I just wanted to share what happens in many homes where there is alcoholism and dysfunction. But there is hope. My best to you!

Maybe they'll have a moment of realization...and be able to act on it - wheres_my_job

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Re: When my sisters found out, they cut me out of their lives for good. How dare I speak ill of our parents!

So true. Recently a sibling had some serious health problems, brought on by bad eating habits and yes, drinking, not exercising. So what they said was, they were so mad AT THEMSELVES. They weren't mad at OUR PARENTS, that instilled all these bad habits at a very early age, oh no, that would be like "making a connection," putting the dots together.

Maybe one of your sisters will figure things out, and get in touch with you. All you can do (as you know) is allow other people their journey, and allow yourself your own journey.

Good luck - and if you're anywhere near where I am - stay warm!

no the drug of choice is self-pity - you are not responsible for others

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You are only responsible for yourself. Why are you trying to change your siblings? Is trying to change yourself too light of a load that you need to charge yourself with the responsibility of changing yourself and five siblings? When you stop screaming (because that is what I heard in your post), you can accept the flaws in them and stop trying to change them.

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