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Heard about young lady, Brittany, who has glioblastoma
Posted: Oct 13, 2014
I recently watched a program on Netflix, might have been "How to Die in Oregon" but not sure, but it was about people with terminal illnesses ending their life legally. There was a lady whose husband had brain cancer and she was fighting for her state to pass such a law, believe she lived in Calfornia then. What her husband endured was horrific and apparently the young lady, Brittany, has also been made aware of what is to come with her glioblastoma and she moved to Oregon and is planning her own demise earlier before later. I read a note from another terminally ill person today writing to Brittany trying to keep her from suicide, telling her about her oncologist has joined her and said "how beautiful and painful for us both this will be." Call me cynical, but that sentence to me was hard to swallow. I feel for the young girl, Brittany and feel like we all should be able to make such decisions for our own self if we were in such a spot. How are others feeling about this? ;
My father was terminally ill with end stage COPD - shot himself in my parent's bed
[ In Reply To ..]one night. My father was an ordained minister and a man of God. Everyone in the community was absolutely shocked. The point is, you never know how you will feel about something until it happens to you. If he had been given the option of euthanasia and chose to follow through with that I would like to think I would have supported him 100%. Not so sure how my mother would have felt about it, though. However, no one should have to go through what my mother went through finding him in their marital bed. To paint a clear picture they had to burn the entire bed and all of the linens due to the amount of blood lost. Even though she had a modest life insurance policy and will receive his pension she has not replaced the bed and cannot sleep in that room. It is such a blessing that Oregon allows people the freedom to end their lives. It is not something that should be taken lightly, however, it is necessary to help those who wish to make their transition earlier and die with dignity, which we should all be so lucky to have the ability to do.
I totally agree with you. - Lotus
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My Thoughts - see message
[ In Reply To ..]I think the person has a right, but to a point. I feel the people who are closest to the ill person should also have a say. After all, they are the ones living with the death of the loved one forever and ever. The loved one may feel better knowing the ill person is no longer in pain, but that should be the loved one's call.
I think it is incredibly selfish to want someone to live when - they are in pain
[ In Reply To ..]just so you won't be sad they are gone.
I think if left up to people who love us to decide - on our end of lite issues
[ In Reply To ..]I am sure the family would want to hold on. I would think in that case it would be so hard for the one who is suffering the most from the illness, the patient. We make decisions about end of life for our pets but in most states cannot make a decision for a human.
One thing that's interesting, and points out - the pressure received from - sm
[ In Reply To ..]loved ones for the ill person to stay alive, is the number of people who will hang on while people are in the room, and as soon as they're alone, then they pass away. My mom did that, even though she knew that we knew she was ready to go.
Okay, That Is Fair - But Let Me Ask You This
[ In Reply To ..]You know that people who suffer from extreme, prolonged emotional pain often commit suicide. Are you okay with them ending their pain? Please don't tell me it's different. Obviously, those who commit suicide due to emotional pain are in more pain than can be imagined, because the survival instinct is one of the strongest (if not THE strongest) instincts humans have.
There is one difference here, glioblastoma versus - depression, emotional pain
[ In Reply To ..]The glioblastoma is not treatable for her. Depression, emotional illness on the other hand can be handled with medication. Sometimes people who have depression decide on their own to stop the medication and then the circle begins.
Unfortunately, for some people no amount of - medication or therapy stops depression.
[ In Reply To ..]I'm one of the lucky ones for whom SSRI's work like a charm. They saved my happiness and my life. If I were down to my last $20, I'd spend it on Zoloft before I'd spend it on food, because with the medication, I would stand a better chance of being able to make the right decisions that would enable food to follow.
How True - Not So Lucky
[ In Reply To ..]I have literally tried every medication available for my depression, which I literally had since childhood. My family has a strong history of it on both sides. It is a horrible, debilitating disease. Most of what we do is because there is a motivation to do it. With depression the motivation is not there. I would give anything to be able to take medication and benefit from it. I become much, much worse on it. I literally became suicidal on medication in 1996. No more of that for me.
That's obviously a gray area, but as a person - sm - Lotus
[ In Reply To ..]who has suffered with bouts of major depression, I can say that unless someone has gone through it, they have no idea what it's like. And of course there are varying levels and intensities, and different people react to it differently.
I think we all consider ending our own lives at some points. Even if we have no intention of doing it, who among us doesn't wonder, at least a little bit, what it would be like, and what the consequences would be afterward?
Of course, most people who wonder about it don't do it. But imagine being in so much pain and with so little hope, even after therapy and medication, that all you want to do is make it stop? A person can reach a point where what happens to their loved ones afterward is still less (in their opinion) than what they're going through. The pain from depression is very real, and extremely debilitating.
Again, I certainly don't condone everyone who's having a bad day to put a gun to their head. But regardless of what is causing the physical and/or emotional pain that's bringing the sufferer to a point where they just want it to stop, I think that how, why, and IF they do it is ultimately up to them.
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[ In Reply To ..]That is very well said. I really take offense to people who have never suffered excruciating, prolonged emotional pain, then judge when the person commits suicide. I have been there, and I get quite annoyed when people think it's a selfish act. Make believe there are sharp knives inside all of your being and they are cutting you up little by little by little, then slicing harder and harder until you can't take it anymore. That is depression and it goes on for years and years and years. People who commit suicide because of depression don't do it because of a "bad day." It takes years of pain to finally actually do it.
Obviously, the person who is suffering emotional pain has completely lost hope. Yes, they can choose or not choose medication and therapy or whatever, but most people who commit suicide (no matter what the pain) have tried everything they know to get rid of the pain. They might abuse drugs or alcohol for years to numb it, take meds that have horrible side effects, or any number of things.
People who commit suicide because of depression see no hope for ever feeling better, just as the person who is in physical pain sees no hope in feeling better. People with severe depression have died inside, and the suicide act is the final step.
I disagree. Sometimes I feel loved ones cling - to the hopeless idea of keeping - sm
[ In Reply To ..]the ill person alive as long as possible merely to be able to say to themselves after the inevitable end, "I did everything I could to keep him/her alive."
The only things we REALLY own in this world are our souls and our bodies. If we feel our time has come, and we want to die in peace and with dignity, it should be ultimately OUR choice.
The loved ones should take more solace from the fact that the person died peacefully and painlessly, rather than in agony. If they don't see that, they should do a serious re-examination of their own souls, and their reasoning behind keeping someone alive beyond what is humane and dignified.
Very Well Said - Christine
[ In Reply To ..]November 9 with be five years since my mother died, and I still have vivid pictures in my mind of her suffering. I can still her her crying, and watching the tears literally drop from her face to the floor. She lay in a hospice bed at home, having diapers changed as she pleaded to go with the Lord. Her weight dropped to 70 lbs. I recall telling her to please feel free to let go, and not to try to hold on for me. I am, and have been in favor of a law that would support a person's right to forego that kind of anguish. How much happier I would be today if I did not have to recall the events of my mom's illness. My friend's BIL died last September of ALS. His wife told my friend there are no words for a disease that horrible. They family words on a board and pointed to them to see if there was anything he wanted. He had only the ability to blink once or twice to answer yes or no. Thank God he is free.
If it were me, I'd move to Oregon, too. - Lotus
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END OF LIFE ISSUES - MUZZY
[ In Reply To ..]Until you get there it is impossible to know how you will react to this thorny question. Some people have such strong personal beliefs about preserving life, etc., that is not easy to rethink end of life issues. We do it for our pets and animals, why should not people have that much control over their life? As I get older I am beginning to see the logic of controlling end of life issues...makes you think. Don't know exactly how I feel about it right now. My mother fought for every breath she could get until the very bitter end, and a bitter end it was. Some people just will not give up life, others don't think it is so important. No one in my family made an easy exit. Well, I guess we will see how it plays out in the future. I think I am in favor of controlling your end of life.
I supported my state's death with dignity act. - Weekender. sm
[ In Reply To ..]Not sure I would have the courage to use it myself, but felt that the terminally ill should have the right to choose.
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