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After the griping about not televising health care


Posted: Feb 14, 2010

These people are ONLY interested in making Obama look bad, not in the american people.  This is beyond stupid. 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap

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No one has to "make Obama look bad" - He manages that without any help. nm

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And very well, I might add. - Anon

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What's stupidest... - AZMT

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The epitome of stupid is relying on a comedy show for news, especially one utilizing sound bites so everything is taken out of context.

While I don't agree with the "trap" assertion (I don't follow the lead of Republican shills), since past performance is the BEST indicator of future behavior, I am convinced that your boy BO, the consummate political opportunist, is exploiting this as yet another photo op.

Excuse me. Photo ops abound in that televised setting. - Why do you think pubs running for the hills?

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If they had anything to offer except no, no and more no, they would be brave enough to try to beat him at his own game, assuming that your stupidest past performance theory actually holds water (NOT!). They are at a dead end and they know it. They are too afraid of their own shadows to be shown up on national TV by the likes of the consummate opportunist. Speaks volumes.

What is stupid is not getting the message in favor - of a personal attack and

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all the while, not address the point being made. THAT is the epitome of stupid.
I notice no one is really responding to the actual point~more interested in insulting the President than addressing the once again GLARING hypocracy of the "party of NO."

No win - NJ

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If there's no attempt to talk together, Obama is playing partisan politics.

If there is an attempt, it's a trap.

If there's no media coverage, it's a lack of transparency.

If there is, it's just a photo op.

What's stupidest, AZ, is the constant negation of any attempts to govern the country. And it's upheld by people like you, rooting for any obstructionism the republicans can think up. That is the stupidest.

NJ

Thanks, NJ. Great post. (nm) - Nikki

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Transparency - NJ

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Republican officials evidently do not want transparency. It doesn't fit into their plan of undermining the democratic process.

Or to put it another way, Obama scares them.

NJ

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. - nm

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That's hysterical! Many long-term Dems are appalled by Obama's performance so far! - Anon

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Except for die-hard shills like you, I guess.

Another unsubstantiated one liner to nowhere. - Cite hysterical sources please. nm

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Anon is speechless on pub transparency fears. - Naysayers phoney outrage comes back to bite. nm

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oh brother! You don't actually believe that do you? - anony

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You really can't believe that.

Republicans do not want transparency?????? Um helllllooooo...that is what they have been asking for. YES they want transparency, but evidently your boy doesn't and isn't keeping up with his campaign promise. Transparency is not in his vocabulary (only when he wants to be elected).

Undermining the democratic process. You don't need the republicans to do that. It's already being done by the democratic party. The democrat party used to be for the people. It no longer is that way. I even heard a democrat interviewed that stated just that. I looked at the TV and said... "you're now just getting that? I knew that years ago (about the time Clinton was in office).

In this day and age Obama scares everyone, what with all that he is trying to do before he gets out of there. It's not what he campaigned on. The country and even democratic politicians are standing up saying, this is not what the democratic party is about. We do not want the United States of America, to become a socialist country. Yes Obama does scare a lot of people especially if he gets away with half the stuff he is trying to.

anony

They did a heck of a job with transparency under W, - Why then are pubs scattering

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to the four winds at the idea of a televised health care debate? If they have anything of value to bring to the table, why are they all up in arms about the big fat "trap" they claim the would be walking into?

Here's why. They are perfectly fine doing their dirty work in the inner sanctums of Congress, but public scrutiny? Gasp. Fugitabowdit. They invoke the just say no monolith...over and over and over again, but don't think it is going to work too well for them this time.

Hello. They trapped themselves by all their obstructionism and sooner or later, this will be their downfall...and they know it.

We're not talking about W - Were talking about present time
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Whenever anyone can't back up a claim in the present time they refer back to GW.

The people who are doing the dirty work are the democrats in congress who are making these closed door behind the scene deals (the Louisiana purchase, etc).

All the country is asking for is transparency, which we were promised and he is not delivering.

As for the video that John Stewart made regarding the trap, it would be nice if he had shown the whole thing of what the people were talking about when they were saying it was a trap, but as usual the liberals usually do not give a whole story.

There are dirty politicians all over (BOTH sides), but the democrats are the ones who are jumping ship as they know Obama's policies and the communist democrats (not all democrats, just certain ones in congress) are the downfall of their political career. I don't blame them all for jumping ship. They need to really distance themselves from the neos.

The democratic ship is sinking and they know it.
We are talking transparency. Pointing out pub hypocrisy - is always valid to the argument.....
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and has nothing to do with backing up a claim. I notice you did not address anything else in the post, specifically about pubs setting their own trap for themselves. While we're at it, why is it that after weeks and weeks of whining about transparency they are suddenly NOT wanting any transparency?

Like I said, hypocrisy is ALWAYS relevant.

I have a question. You have some sort of inside track on missing video to back up your veiled accusation that Jon Stewart took pubs incriminating clips out of context somehow? There is no need to spin what is there is living color all over the media for all eyes to see.

We're not talking about jumping ship or their sinking, are we? Why is it that when pubs are unable to defend pubs, they always switch over to prognostications of gloom and doom for the dems, slamming O and talking about imaginary commies?

Like I said before, hypocrisy is ALWAYS relevant. It is particularly handy when pointing out a bankrupt argument.
Sorry, I thought the poster was talking about issues - affecting our current time
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Not past history. If so I'm sure we could go back to a lot of presidents both pub and crat. But the issue at hand is the current administration.

You evidently did not read my post but was ready to attack an opinion that differs from your. Jon Stewart takes things out of context. No matter how funny it was because I did laugh, the sad thing is he'll never cover both sides. Not only that, but what you don't seem to understand is he is a comedian. His job is to make people laugh. If he is where you get your news from...well that's just kind of sad.

I don't defend anyone on either side. Except to say that I don't blame the dems for jumping ship. If they are a good politician I wish them all the best in whatever they do. If they are a crooked politician I hope they get caught up in their crooked deals. Unfortunately with the loss of Bayh today its said that the country is losing good politicians and getting stuck with the garbage ones.

Hypocrisy is on both sides as you so eloquently show.
Pub hypocrisy over transparency IS the subject. - First they want it, then they dont....
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That's how the thread started. Just because you aren't addressing that and opt for the predictable generic O slam approach does not change anything.

I read your posts line by line in a futile search for substantive comment on pub hypocrisy. I found nothing about pubs whatsoever, meaning we had yet one more instance where pubs cant defend pubs, only attack dems. Case in point, your posts, which are a microcosm to pubs response at large. When defense is not possible, attack, attack, then attack some more.

After reading them, I then answered you line by line, which you failed to notice because you are the one who is in attack mode. Instead of answering direct questions and staying on the task of addressing pub hypocrisy, you boomeranged another volley of O slams and whining about dems and fabricating vague references over some democrat you saw on TV somewhere, sometime. Give specifics, unless of course you are making it up as you go along.

Hello again. Pub hypocrisy on transparency is a realtime event. It's being talked up as we speak all around you, not just on Jon Stewart's show. Its on cable news, net news, in magazines, in blog rooms and chat rooms north, south, east and west. We saw their dialog. Stewart did catch its essence. There is no other side to present when pubs on video are giving their side straight from the horses mouth. Their actions speak for themselves and that is why you are so frustrated when it comes to defending them, because their IS no defense. They have exposed themselves and they represent their party members. I'd be frustrated and embarrassed too, were they my reps.

Furthermore, pubs have a history of an allergy to transparency. So lack of transparency then and fear of transparency now is a valid point that strengthens and underscores the concept of realtime hypocrisy, whether you like it or not.

That is what makes their battle cries and phoney outage over O so comical, and their fear of an open forum on health care (which they demanded for months) so pathetically (dare I say it?) transparent....kind of like the 180 they took on their own senate bill they sponsored in support of a commission on the deficit, when pub sponsors actually had the gall to vote against their own measure just because O endorsed it.

Yes indeed, pub hypocrisy is alive and well.
Well then there is no difference between the parties - because
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crats don't want it either. They say they do, but their actions have shown they do not and are not willing to compromise.

No transparency in this administration that's for sure.
Hello. Dems support Obamas call for - TV transparent HCR debate
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They ae the ones running after the pubs in their run for the hills. You can tell just by the posts on this boad. They also support the bipartisan commission on deficit reduction...the one pubs voted against that they spnsored. Get real.
Hello...Obama and dems have never been transparent - in this administration
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I could say pigs fly too, but they don't. Obama campaigned on transparency and how his administration would be transparent. They have yet failed to be transparent. It's like he says "my administration is going to be transparent", then leaves the podium for closed door meetings. Two and two do not match up.

When was the last time we had a transparent administration? I don't remember one ever. If you're not going to be transparent then fine, but don't stand there and tell the country you are, then turn around and do the opposite.

Whether it is dems or pubs there is no difference. Don't know why that is so hard for many to understand. That's what is called - "getting real".
Trace the thread all the way to the top and what do you find? - Televised HCR debate proposed by O....
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then go through the posts and see who is trying to stay on task and who is not.

Televised, as in broadcasat into our living rooms. HCR debate, the one that pubs have been screeching about for months over transparency. Who's balking, in line with their all too predictable history of being for something one moment and against the same thing the next when Obama endorses it? Deficit commission. Paygo budgeting. Bank bail out. US court terrorist trials. Cap and trade policies.

Actions speak louder than words, dear. Repeated attempts to make this about dems when the subject at hand is transparent HCR debates AND the hypocrisy behind the screech-halt behavior says all that needs to be said about who is trying to govern and who is not.

Until you address the pot-and-kettle aspect of transparency, your credibility when speaking on the subject is next to nil.
When the O and this administration become transparent - like they said the would
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then that will be something to see. But until then I could sit and have this discussion with you all day. The point I'm trying to make, dear, is that he campaigned on transparency in his administration and he has produced NONE, and he will continue to produce none. The token little debate he puts on for public display is surely no sign that his administration is transparent. I don't care whether the dems or pubs are at fault. In my book they both are. However, the issue at hand is the lack of transparency he promised during his campaign and has failed to produce. He can say anything he wants. I learned about 3 weeks after his inauguration that he has lied just like all the other politicians to get elected. I just thank my lucky stars HC wasn't voted in.

So, until you address the issue of his non-transparency your credibility when speaking on this subject is next to nil.

Open invitation to debate HCR on TV is epitome of transparency. - Got it yet?
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Trying to deny that basic fact is just plain brain dead. HCR is not a token debate. It is what has consumed the national dialog for the past year. You look foolish trying to dismiss it as such. Obama's apearance at the pub retreat was no token either. He was as serious as a heart attack. This is simply part of a bold new strategy he is using (quite effectively, I might add) to call obstructionists' bluff.

Tit for tat hijacking lines from my post simply shows just how impoverished your ability to defend pubs run for the hills approach to doing their jobs really is. Your refusal to engage the issue at hand can only mean one thing. You know very well that the pubs are cowards and cannot stand up to the scrutiny of cameras and spotlights in a real live HCR debate which they themselves would prefer to have behind closed doors (obviously). There is no defense, as you have illustrated so thoroughly, but you just can't come out and admit it.
Looks like you don't understand anything - Ive been saying - goodbye
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Hijacking lines from your post? Can we say delusional.

Have fun with your love affair with him.

Just another prime example of denial in face of truth. - Hijacked line...
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Original thought:
Until you address the pot-and-kettle aspect of transparency, your credibility when speaking on the subject is next to nil.

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...until you address the issue of his non-transparency your credibility when speaking on this subject is next to nil.

The word "his" substituted for the phrase "pot-and kettle aspect of" does not make the hijack any less blaten, as is your failed attempt to argue effectively.
oh brother - you really need to get a clue - sm
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Go ahead...keep replying....each time the replies seem to get more and more silly. I'd use another word, but I won't.

You told me that my credibility was nil? Well, I was responding back to you that your reply was nil. Sorry, should have used a different word. Didn't know you had dibs on the only person ever being able to use the word nil.

Sure don't like it when you are proposed the same thing you tell others do ya.

You really should get a clue before attempting to reply. You never addressed the issues. So since you don't like that someone else on this planet has used the word "nil", I'll just say your posts are "void".
Thread is about transparency and PUBs who run from it while demanding it. - Where did you address this....once?
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Pub hypocrisy. I am more than willing to address that and have been trying to do so throughout this whole exchange. Stop with the cat and mouse games, already. Either show us how pubs are not running from a televised HCR debate while screaming about lack of transparency or simply start a new post. That is the subject of this thread.

Reminder: This is not about dems or Obama or any other thing you may conjure up. Repeat: It is about pubs running away from a TV HCR debate while demanding transparency. In other words, pub hypocrisy.
Ahhh...This is current time, not past history - it is happening right now
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but then you knew that, didn't you?

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