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Want to thank someone for Obama's immigration move?

Posted: Jun 16, 2012

Thank Marco Rubio.

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If Rubio had been the one to formally introduce... - sm

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this plan the republicans would be singing his praises. Because Obama took the reins and did what Congress wouldn't, he gets criticism. Even Rubio is walking it back now and saying this will only serve to delay a permanent solution. Really?

IT was Rubio's idea almost word for word - Obama can't come up with even

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that on his own, but would never igve repub credit. If you BOTHERED TO READ, Rubio has beern pushing a plan in the Senate, but REID (DEMOCRACT) refused to bring it forward. Rubio has close to the support he needed in the Senate for it to pass. Obama, as usual, stepped in for because Obama did not want the credit to go to Rubio. Even though, I am not in complete support of the plan, try making an attempt at posting a fact, no matter how lame your facts may be. News Flash - IT WAS THE WAY OBAMA DID WHAT OBAMA DID, not the plan itself. Rubio was following the rule of law and seeking congressional approval for a policy change. Obama just out for Obama. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I don't care who gets credit. It was a good idea, period. nm - oldtimer

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Rubio is now having second thoughts about his - sm

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idea being a good idea. Think it might be because Obama thought it was a good idea too and got the jump on him?

Of course. Even if it was a Republican idea, - sm

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as soon as Obama agrees with it, the Republicans automatically criticize it and then feel it's a bad idea.

ANYTHING to disagree with the President, whether it's a good idea or not. Anything to make Obama look bad. The Republicans couldn't care less what is best for the country. The only thing they've made clear is that they want women to be barefoot and pregnant.

"They want women to be barefoot and pregnant"??? - what if - ROFL

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I have to laugh at that because that is so 1960-ish. This is the year 2012. Do you really think republicans want women to be "barefoot and pregnant". ROFLMAO. I'm telling you that is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Feels like I should be singing the Rocky Horror Picture Show's time warp song. I just thought you might want to know we are in the year 2012. We're really come a long way from the 1960s. Here in 2012, we as women have more going for us than we did back in the 1960s. Women are working right along side their partners for the same thing. Maybe in the town of Stepford they want what you want, but all across America that is not what republicans OR democrats want. But hey, thanks for the laugh.

oh yes, I forgot...Where are your facts to back up your claim?

Rubio admitted that he did not have enough... - sm

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conservative support to bring it up this year.

Oldtimer - Conservative

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Girl you are spot on. Unfortunately, there are so few that have any idea what Rubio had submitted to the Senate and the way it was blocked by Reid. Now that Obama's numbers are continually dropping in all demographics, this is the latest attempt to save a dying campaign. Right after the fake war on women, the lies about Bain, Obama's "evolving" gay beliefs and now this. Obama cares not one hoot about anybody else's job, but his. Obama, as usual, had no plan of his own, but has no problems highjacking a Republican idea and then the spin starts.

Immigration bill: Devil in the Details - sm

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May 13, 2012 | 12:46 p.m.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid asserted his commitment to getting the DREAM Act passed through the Senate, but he took issue with a Republican alternative to the bill on Sunday.

Speaking on Univision’s Al Punto, Reid said that while he’s willing to work with Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., on an immigration bill, the junior senator needs to get something in writing.

“The problem is right now there has not been a single word put on paper, not a word, and remember in anything we do in life, the Devil is in the details,” Reid said, adding that “he says one thing to one group, another thing to another group.”

The DREAM Act, as currently stands, would provide a way for young people brought illegally to the U.S. by their parents who engage in higher education or military service to live in the country legally and gain U.S. citizenship. Rubio has said his version would not include an expedited pathway to citizenship, and that seems to remain a sticking point between Democrats and Republicans. Reid said he would not support a bill that didn't include such an option.

“Right now I am bound and determined to pass the DREAM act that's now before the Congress. If he has something better and something that I think is going to be okay, I will be happy to support it, but let’s stop this nonsense of talking about it,” he said.

Though President Obama has come under fire from Hispanic leaders for not doing enough on immigration, Reid did not seem worried that the president may have trouble getting Hispanics to the polls in November. “Because of what the republicans have done on wide ranging issues to be anti-Hispanic, the polls show Democrats leading,” he said.

But Reid, D-Nev., did admit that Obama and Congress could do more.

“President Obama is not a perfect man. He hasn't been a perfect president. He's been a very, very good president. And we've done some extremely good things, especially as it relates to the dreamers,” he said, adding, however, that “there's more that can be done.”

HOPE ILLEGALS TAKE THE JOBS OF - THOSE SUPPORTING DISREGARD FOR LAWS

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Dreamers get more - lip service

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Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

A Hispanic Republican from Florida boldly broke with his party’s orthodoxy on illegal immigration yesterday, introducing a bill to help undocumented young people stay in school — but it wasn’t Sen. Marco Rubio.

While the Florida senator’s much-touted but still vague plans to offer a GOP version of the DREAM Act have yet to materialize, Rubio’s friend Rep. David Rivera of Miami introduced the Studying Towards Adjusted Residency Status (STARS) Act, which would allow undocumented high school graduates who arrived here at a young age and are accepted into a university to apply for conditional non-immigrant status that could put them on an eight-year path to citizenship.

Rivera’s initiative came as leaders of United We Dream, a leading group of undocumented students, presented White House officials with a letter signed by more than 90 immigration law professors who argued that the president has “clear executive authority” to halt deportations of students who might benefit from such legislation, according to the New York Times. The Obama administration says its policy of “prosecutorial discretion” spares otherwise law-abiding young people, but student groups such as the National Immigrant Youth Alliance say the administration has broken its promises.

Nothing here but rewards for lawbreakers - Encourages more nm

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Not quite. It is a meager step to restore a - smidgeon of discretion

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within a narrow, specifically defined context, for deportation officers to use as an enforcement tool....discretion that was stripped from them and from immigration judges after the draconian immigration reform act in 1996. Even within this narrow context, it's a half-empty, half-full glass, still weighted in favor of heavy-handed enforcement. The EO does not address judicial discretion which had been in place for decades prior to 1996. Thus, judges who issue immigration orders are still prevented from allowing for those considerations when making their final determinations, such as:

1. Status on entry to the US. i.e. asylee, refugee, spouse of a US citizen, family member of legal immigrants, work visas, etc. Some of them entered legally but either allowed their papers to expire or, in some cases, had their original status revoked or rescinded by ever-changing immigration laws.
2. Length of residence in the US in good standing.
3. Commercial or private property ownership.
4. Ties to the community.
5. Sponsorship by US citizens.
6. Educational level of attainment.
7. US residence and legal status of other family members.
8. Marital, parental and employment status.
9. Individual consequences of deportation. In the case of children brought here by parents, many of them do not even speak the language of their country of origin, nor do they have any visible means of support or family left who can take them in once they arrive at their destination.

Those are only some of many situations that formerly factored into judicial discretion when rendering deportation decisions. In the absence of discretion, there has been an increase in cases where legal immigrants, even citizens have been deported by mistake from something as simple as losing a green card or not carrying proof of status on their person.

BTW, try to keep in mind that a 3-year-old has no control whatsoever over their parents' decision to enter the country illegally. It's pretty ridiculous to suggest that this tiny change in immigration law that targets a very small group of immigrants is going to somehow encourage multitudes of infants, toddlers and school-age minors to suddenly leave their countries of origin and jump the next plane headed for the US.

Rubio proposal + Rivera proposal - pathway to citizenship = - Obama's EO.

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Dreamers did not get lip service. They got what they asked for in their letter....an exercise of legitimate presidential authority to "halt deportations of students who might benefit from such legislation," i.e. the DREAM Act, currently caught up in GOP recalcitrance over pathway to citizenship provisions. Four GOP senators who have given their own share of "lip service" to support of those same provisions in the past (McCain, Graham, Cornyn and Kyl), are currently obstructing the bill.

Romney has done a stunning flip-flop this week from his proposed "self-deportation" plan (a source of unending ridicule in the media) to his current "whatever-Rubio-says" stance, while vaguely muttering something about an undefined "long-term" solution to the pathway to citizenship issue. Then again, before Obama's EO, Romney said he would repeal the DREAM Act if it should ever pass, leading any logical person to conclude that his long-term solution is not likely to include a pathway to any sort of permanent legal status from dreamers.

President Obama has done all he can do within his executive authority (of note, clearly supported by those 90 immigration law professors in the United We Dream letter). He is not authorized to extend pathway provisions by EO without the consent of Congress which, as we all know very well, is not going to be forthcoming anytime in the foreseeable future, and certainly not ths close to the election.

My philosophy on this subject was formed at an...sm - oldtimer

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early age when I was in elementary school. We were studying immigration in history, Ellis Island, Statue of Liberty, the NY tenements, etc. We had to memorize Emma Lazarus' sonnet and the meaning has stuck with me ever since. I actually sang the last, best-known part in chorus when I was in high school. It is called The New Collossus.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Bewildered - anon

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Immigration is a complex issue, but after considering the subject I keep coming back to the same conclusion. Why do parents want to set their children up for failure by bringing them illegally to a country where they will grow up knowing they will not have the right to be treated equally. That seems like such an injustice. To give them hope by dangling the carrot in front of their faces with such an uncertain reward.

Why? Because where they came from offered... - sm

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no hope, rampant crime and drug cartels, violence and poverty, chances of their children surviving to adulthood, being educated, very slim. Their hope is that America will be better and safer no matter the uncertainty.

Description - anon

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Your description of "where they came from" does not seem significantly different from the local nightly news I hear. It is obvious what "their hope" is. The avenue to realizing that hope is slim, not to mention illegal.

Mitt Romney's father moved from Mexico to the USA. - sm

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Doesn't seem to have hurt Mitt too much. But then again, he has more flip-flops than a beachful of people.

What's wrong with that? - pr

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LEGAL immigration is not the problem, as you must know.

Evidently poster your are responding to - Cannot differentiate between reality

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of legal versus ILLEGAL ALIENS. And speaking of flip flops, what about Obama who "evolves" every 15 seconds.

Mitt Romney's father moved from Mexico to the USA - & Obama's dad came from Kenya

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Your point if there's one? Doen't seem to have hurt Obama much. "But then again, he has more flip-flops than a beachful of people."

Bewildered - Conservative

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Not to mention their very existence is based on illegality. The more I read/research this EO by Obama, it is obvious this was for political expediency only. He has had 3+ years (and many before him) to close the borders, and offer a logical, thoughtful, long-term, LEGAL solution to this problem. Any time someone gets a pass for bad behavior, not mention illegal behavior, the envelope is pushed that much further. What I find very interesting on this board is the outrage over one reported asking one question. When Reagan was holding his press conference on this exact same issue, Reagan was attacking unmercifully by the liberal press screaming at him, hurling rapid fire questions and generalized rude behavior. Reagan, being the gentleman he was, had a much different, cordial and polite response, very unlike Obama's response.

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